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| Car Bomb on 9/11; Did one go off? | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 28 2008, 09:49 AM (292 Views) | |
| A.L.Ex - N.E.T.A | Dec 28 2008, 09:49 AM Post #1 |
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I got a dvd from ebay entitled "9/11 The First Five Hours". It's the ABC broadcast from that morning and at 10:44am they report (quickly and in a way that suggested to me that they had already mentioned it earlier so I may have missed it the first time around) that a CAR BOMB had GONE OFF outside the STATE DEPARTMENT. Can anyone tell me anything about this? Does anyone else have the dvd? Are they any other networks whose broadcast is on dvd anywhere I can buy? |
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| DoYouEverWonder | Dec 28 2008, 10:42 AM Post #2 |
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I remember when that report came over the radio. That was when I decided it was definitely time to go get my kid from school. I figured if the whole world was blowing up, I wanted to die with my kid. Then it turned out to be a false rumor supposedly and the story disappeared. |
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| JFK | Dec 28 2008, 11:30 AM Post #3 |
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In actuality that was the Pentagon. I am unable to find it now, but I did create a thread with the perspective of the reporter overlaid on a map complete with the time/datestamp from the news report if I remember correctly. Looking through my copy of ABC's broadcast that morning.... Yes, 9:43 was the first report on that from ABC.  The field of view "ballparked".  |
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| noeffects | Dec 28 2008, 10:59 PM Post #4 |
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sounds like a diversion technique for fire & rescue squad switch. control the scene. |
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| JFK | Dec 28 2008, 11:47 PM Post #5 |
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Not really, if you watch the video even the newscaster ( Claire Shipman ) doesn't know what is on fire at that point in time, and indeed states that they have sent someone to find out. |
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| 22205 | Dec 29 2008, 03:36 AM Post #6 |
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video of the national ABC report by peter jennings at 10:27 am (ABC's clock is actually off by an hour): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D290n9pvUsE btw - channel2 is not the d.c. ABC affiliate - in dc its wjla7 dan rather reported it as well: http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1090 "In a national emergency like the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the first thing required from the news media is accurate information. Unfortunately, TV journalists too often delivered misinformation instead. One who did so repeatedly was CBS News' Dan Rather. "Let me pause and say that a car bomb has exploded outside the State Department in Washington," Rather told his audience on September 11. He repeated: "Now a car bomb has exploded outside the State Department in Washington. No further details available on that." He reported this car bomb explosion as fact at least three further times before finally adding a qualifier, referring to "a car bomb, which was reported to have exploded outside the State Department." After these repeated claims of a State Department car-bombing, Rather backtracked: "From Washington, Federal Protective Services now says there was no car bomb at the State Department. We've been reporting, which was reported earlier, that there had been an apparent car bomb at the State Department. And I will repeat for emphasis, the Federal Protective Services says there was no--I repeat, no car bomb at the State Department." He added this self-justification: "We've been saying straight through this morning that there's going to be those occasions when there are reports, rumors, speculation. We do the best we can to separate fact from reports. But it's inevitable that some first reports will be wrong." The final word from Rather on the car-bombing in the Nexis database is ambiguous: "Then senior law enforcement officials said car bomb--and a car bomb had exploded outside the State Department in Washington, DC. That was senior law enforcement officials. But then later, Federal Protective Services denied any car bomb attack had occurred outside the State Department. So that remains unclear at the moment. Although the latest information is there was no car bomb." In fact, there was no car bomb at the State Department--a fact Rather seems never to have flatly told his audience." ignore the diversionary attack on Rather, as its not related to the OP - but the above does outline some of the state dept. car bomb chronology. im not sure why this author's focus is on Rather, if the article date is accurate (dec2001). later on of course cbs and "the establishment" escapegoated Rather for some bullshit and got rid of him. at that time, there were alot of attacks on Rather's credibility, in order to pave the way for his ousting. so if the anti-rather hit piece was written around the time of rather's troubles, then it would make more sense. so even though the article is dated 2001, i dont think thats when it was published. also - i dont think Rather was the only one to mention this mis/disinfo on 9/11. as you mentioned you saw an ABC version of that news, and i have seen dc's local fox5 (wttg) also report it on that day. someone sent the media that information and they all broadcast it. according to the above it was "senior law enforcement", but i have also seen it attributed to the State Department: http://www.forbes.com/2001/09/11/0911usattack3.html "A car bomb exploded outside the State Department, according to State Department sources." here is the state dept.'s own timeline: http://www.state.gov/coalition/cr/fs/12701.htm Chronology 8:46 AM Plane crashes into the north tower of the World Trade Center. 9:03 AM Plane crashes into the south tower of the World Trade Center. 9:17 AM The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) shuts down all New York City area airports. 9:21 AM The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) halts all flights at U.S. airports. It is the first time in history that air traffic has been halted nationwide. 9:38 AM Plane crashes into the Pentagon. Evacuation begins immediately. 9:45 AM The White House evacuates. 10:05 AM The south tower of the World Trade Center collapses. 10:10 AM A portion of the Pentagon collapses. 10:10 AM Plane crashes in Somerset County, Pennsylvania. 10:22 AM The State and Justice Departments, as well as the World Bank are evacuated. 10:28 AM The World Trade Center's north tower collapses. 10:45 AM All federal office buildings in Washington, D.C. are evacuated. 1:44 PM Five warships and two aircraft carriers are ordered to leave the U.S. Naval Station in Norfolk, Virginia to protect the East Coast. 4:10 PM Building 7 of the World Trade Center collapses it is interesting to note that the state and justice departments (plus worldbank) were evacuated before everyone else at 10:22, which is about the time (by 5 minutes) that ABC started reporting the car bombs story. perhaps the "story" was sparked by the state dept. evacuation, or vice versa. even though some people at the state department could conceivably look outside and see if there were explosions or not, its still a huge building. its possible that the people at the building were told that carbombs had exploded outside (and couldnt see that they hadnt), and the place was evacuated just in case. i personally remember the "car bomb" report that day, and remember how the mention of a car bomb very instantly and dramatically changed my percepetion of the events that were unfolding. car bombs exploding (to me) equalled "WE ARE UNDER a FULL-SCALE ATTACK - HOLY SHIT!". to me car bombs meant that nefarious "agents" of "alqueda" had also roamed the streets and perhaps had some serious escalation in mind. car bombs meant that there could be an organized effort to attempt to put the capitol/capital under siege. its ironic because i have always thought since then, that if foreign enemies ever did attack the USA, dc in particular, that they would target key infrastructures - things like power plants, communications apparatus, military targets, etc. - in an effort to paralyze or impede response, and therefore provide them a chance to succeed in a TAKEOVER. so they would use planes to attack strategic targets, while a 2nd unit, a small army of armed/armored street commandos would attempt to raid the capitol and overtake the political infrastructure. so what i find ironic is that on 911 none of that happened. the report of a car bomb at the state department created a mental fear of chaos reigning the streets and suicidal soldiers on the warpath, but whoever the 9/11 attackers were, apparently it wasnt their intention to defeat/conquer america on any real or logistical level. supposedly - they only wanted "moral victory" so they chose to hit "symbolic" targets, not strategic ones, which to me makes no sense. if you attack america on its own soil, you dont benefit, you get the shit bombed out of you and your "leader" will have to (supposedly) go on the run FOREVER (like obl - allegedly), pretty much dismantling your operation (like opium trade). so if you ever dare to attack the USA, you (would think that you) HAVE TO try to WIN by taking over DURING your attack, otherwise you are being counterproductive and selfdestructive. if you dont gain leverage over who you're attacking, all you're gonna get in return is PUNISHMENT. its the same reason that real hijackers DONT kill hostages, they instead hold them HOSTAGE (duh) and make demands. therefore the "symbolic targets" meme is another of one of a 911's ridiculous lies. but anyway, back to the car bombs, i had recently watched some of the now-down archive footage, and i very distinctly remember a short ( i think it was fox5 - wttg) clip of a security guard on the street in front of the state department, where the street had been shut down, and people were being directed away. the whole point of the piece was to confirm that NO - the state department was fine and that no car bomb had gone off there. i think the clip was from within a half hour to an hour after the original report aired. thats roughly about the amount of time it would have taken local news media (most of whom were either at the pentagon or headed there) to get reporters/cam crews over to the state department to broadcast what would have been more mayhem and SHOCK&AWE imagery (if there had been a carbomb). so i think the reporters got there and since there was no story, they reported and moved on to find more "action" to broadcast. i wish i had taken note of the exact link for that clip in front of the state dept. (i took forgranted that it was noteworthy) and i would find it - except that at least for now some of the relevant clips in the archive are down - i will look for it and post it (if and when i find it). but on 9/11 they (the news media) did report "car bombs at the state dept." that day, and someone fed that info to the media. it could have been just one reporter and then the report grew legs, or it could have been some filter or "trusted source" that fed the news media that info LIVE that day. so the source is unconfirmed, but the allegation was reported that day. *** jfk, im not sure what embedding u used for your overhead pic, but i cant right clik to save it, nor can i drag it into the address bar. i wanted to copy it and label the state dept. for clarity's sake, but i cant. so here is another graphic:  also jfk, is there any chance you could find this thread? http://www.letsrollforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3977 its linked to at the thread below, but i couldnt find it. i know ur active at that site, so maybe u could find it? it might provide some useful info... http://letsrollforums.com/car-bomb-exploded-front-t3754.html?s=dd591080afadcd9341abace39b5a2652&p=42555 thanks! *** ok some of the stuff i have found so far in whats available and still streaming at the archives: NBC: http://www.archive.org/details/nbc200109110954-1036 -at 1:30 white plane -mentions state dept. been evacuated at 27:36 (10:22am NBCtime) -at 29:40 mentions "CAR BOMB HAS EXPLODED AT the state dept." and is credited "to AP" (10:24am NBCtime) -at 31:50 mentions "CAR BOMB HAS EXPLODED AT the state dept." and is credited to "senior law officials" by way of "AP" (10:24am NBCtime) FOX http://www.archive.org/details/fox5200109111117-1159 -around the 27:30 mark of the video there are mentions of bomb squads all over dc, and suspicious packages and cars etc. the above 2 links are the only working links i found so far out of that whole list. all of the other *relevant archive pages have no video, until from later that afternoon. *by relevant i mean close to the timeframe in question. |
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| JFK | Dec 29 2008, 09:06 AM Post #7 |
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Perhaps your OS does not recognize .png files as graphics files ? the url is http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/903/guestimatend7.png I find they use less space than .jpgs and upload quicker from my crappy connection. Yes, I am aware that the internal letsroll links were lost. That happened after the site was hacked so badly that it was not repairable to it's original state so the remains of the database was incorporated into vbulletin which uses a different indexing system. I just did a quick search there and came up with 500 hits, tried to refine that search and got an error.  Edited by JFK, Dec 29 2008, 09:07 AM.
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