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Headspin	Apr 24 2008, 02:28 PM
Posts: 975 Group: Members Member #252 Joined: 01/31/08	Roxdog Apr 24 2008, 12:48 PM Headspin Apr 24 2008, 11:04 AM I think the arguments used in that 321energy.com article are poorly researched, agenda-driven, factually inaccurate and not consistent with the science. it is so typical of all the anti peak-oil propaganda. consider this: 1. application of heat to oil will "crack" it into smaller molecules (breaking the carbon-carbon bonds) 2. heat increases the deeper you go into the ground, heat increases uniformly with depth (25 Celcius per km). 3. the heat at 15,000 feet is 145 Celcius, this is high enough to crack oil into natural gas. 4. oil is produced in a very small window of about 20 feet strata of rock 7,000 feet down. conclusion - it is impossible for oil to exist below 15,000 feet, because any that does (or did) exist will be cracked into natural gas. hydrocarbons are cracked into oil over a million years at 82 Celcius (7,500-15000 feet) Peak oil is not about whether dinosaurs came from oil, or whether oil came from dinosaurs, it is about whether the earth can replace what we burn. the answer is no. the only question then is when will peak oil production arrive. In 1956 Hubbert King predicted the peaking of US oil production in the early 1970s. It peaked in 1974. The same models extrapolated to world oil production predicts 2006 as world oil production peak. http://tinyurl.com/5wxlqk The same Hubbert King that worked for Dutch Royal Shell? Calling things "propaganda", "agenda driven" and factually inaccurate without being specific doesn't really do much for your position. Can you address what I highlighted? How are "fossil fuels" created without fossils? King "predicted" oil shortages in 1974 but they never happened. They didn't happend in 1995 either. Or 2006. Simply saying we've peaked doesn't mean we've peaked. More and more oil is found each and every year. This is fact. Should we burn oil as if its supply is infinite? Of course not. But should we completely reengineer society based on the opinion of some dead scientist with extreme conflicts of interests whose "predictions" have yet to actually occur? That doesn't sound very logical. Kenneth Deffeyes , one of King's colleagues says we haven't peaked yet. You stated we are supposed to peak in 2006. It's 2008 now. For the record: I don't have anything against Ruppert. He's just wrong on this. I actually learned about Ruppert and CIA drug dealing before I knew anything about 9/11. Quote: Calling things "propaganda", "agenda driven" and factually inaccurate without being specific doesn't really do much for your position. You are correct, but that is how i felt after reading it. I felt I could easily debunk everything that was mentioned in that piece, but it would have taken a few hours, not worth my time, but raise a specific issue if you want. Quote: Can you address what I highlighted? How are "fossil fuels" created without fossils? Astronomer Dr Gold uses the term "hydrocarbons" - is he using the term loosely? how does he know that coal and oil exist under the surface of other planets? he can't know that, that is impossible to know at the moment. He is probably referring to the methane found on Titan? methane is not the same as our "fossil fuels". But suppose you are correct - suppose the oil exists naturally in the planet's surface and has nothing to do with fossils - peak oil theory still applies unless you can show that oil is created naturally at a rate fast enough to replace what we burn. Quote: King "predicted" oil shortages in 1974 but they never happened. This is not correct, he predicted the peak of United States oil production in the early 1970s, his 1956 prediction came true in 1974- United States Oil production has been in decline since 1974 - imported oil makes up the difference which explains why you did not notice the decline. Quote: They didn't happend in 1995 either. I am not aware of any 1995 prediction. Quote: Or 2006. the actual prediction is an estimate 2004-2010. that window has been pushed forward a few years because the economic decline due to the 1979 oil crises was not known about - the kink in the opil production graph demonstrates the impact of this event. The truth is that you won't know we have reached peak until a few years after the fact. Quote: More and more oil is found each and every year. This is fact. I am not aware of this fact. can you give me a source for this? Hubberts model takes into account new oil discoveries. new oil discoveries do not compensate the amount that we burn. Edited by JFK, May 8 2008, 05:23 AM.
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