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- Mar 24 2008, 05:22 PM
- Aldo
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SKEPTICS: Do you have any witnesses...; ...to the NTSB/RADES data loop?
Yes. Chris Stephenson. - Quote:
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He looked out the tower window and saw the jet turning to the right and descending. The jet did a full circle and whoever was flying knew what he was doing. The wings never rocked or oscillated, Stephenson said.
That doesn't quite work too well does it? NORAD and Air Traffic Controllers were in a frenzy because of the decoy aircraft which flew over Washington DC and was at 09:35:41 six miles southeast of the White House. Stevenson was shutting down flights and Reagan National was in the middle of a complete evacuation and the ATC tower was in a complete turmoil. We found out that Chris Stephenson was apparently adjusting the official story and apparently didn't actually see either the official flight 77 or the decoy aircraft flyover or the C-130 which was supposed to be shadowing Flight 77 or America West N644AW landing 2 minutes after the explosions (actually while they were still rising hundreds of feet into the air) were catching Stephenson by surprise. Stephenson already had his hands full handling emergency after emergency and didn't have time to be gazing wistfully off into the northwest did he? That decoy aircraft with its transponder likely turned off which Steve Chaconas saw right before him banking around Reagon National from the east, and disappearing behind the hills and city buildings to the northwest, and was unknown to the ATC tower was already gone up the Potomac or perhaps quickly landing as America West N644AW with its transponder suddenly turned back on, by the time Stephenson jerked his head around in surprise at the towering explosion and smoke suddenly to the northwest. Later Stephenson was probably adjusting the official story wasn't he?
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I think we have to take Stephenson's account as an adjustment to the official story. I don't want to denounce him for that, but look at that: At 0939 HRS the National Airport control tower transmitted, “Crash! Crash! Crash!” over the MWAA frequency and activated an airport alert, but there was confusion about the exact location of the crash. http://info.jems.com/911/pdf/jems0402.pdfThe "confusion about the exact location" refers to the fact that the tower first reported a crash "near the 14th street bridge" or "at the end of Reagan airport". Forgive me that I don't dig out the sources for now (I will if you demand it), but from your article one might get the impression that the tower controllers actually watched the plane exploding in the Pentagon. This was certainly not the case.
- NORAD tapes
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09:34:01
WASHINGTON CENTER: Now, let me tell you this. I—I'll—we've been looking. We're—also lost American 77—
WATSON: American 77?
DOOLEY: American 77's lost—
WATSON: Where was it proposed to head, sir?
WASHINGTON CENTER: Okay, he was going to L.A. also—
WATSON: From where, sir?
WASHINGTON CENTER: I think he was from Boston also. Now let me tell you this story here. Indianapolis Center was working this guy—
WATSON: What guy?
WASHINGTON CENTER: American 77, at flight level 3-5-0 [35,000 feet]. However, they lost radar with him. They lost contact with him. They lost everything. And they don't have any idea where he is or what happened.
Don't forget that NORAD Commander Major General Arnold testified before Congress that he and his staff were above Washington circling, ("in fact my own staff, we were orbiting now over Washington, D.C. by this time" here) most likely in the E4-B National Airborne Operations Center.
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This is a full 10 minutes later than the time Major General Arnold and Colonel Scott would give in their testimony; reality was a lot messier. 09:35:41
ROUNTREE: Huntress [call sign for neads] ID, Rountree, can I help you?
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Latest report, [low-flying] aircraft six miles southeast of the White House.
ROUNTREE: Six miles southeast of the White House?
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Yup. East—he's moving away?
ROUNTREE: Southeast from the White House.
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Air—aircraft is moving away.
ROUNTREE: Moving away from the White House?
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Yeah.…
ROUNTREE: Deviating away. You don't have a type aircraft, you don't know who he is—
BOSTON CENTER (Scoggins): Nothing, nothing. We're over here in Boston so I have no clue. That—hopefully somebody in Washington would have better—information for you.This will turn out to be American 77, but since the hijackers turned the beacon off on this plane as well, no one will realize that until later. Depending on how you count, neads now has three reported possible hijackings from Boston (the phantom American 11 and two unidentified planes) as well as Washington Center's report that American 77 is lost. Of these four vague and ultimately overlapping reports, the latest—word of a plane six miles from the White House—is the most urgent. The news sets off a frenzy. 09:36:23
NASYPANY: O.K., Foxy [Major Fox, the Weapons Team head]. I got a aircraft six miles east of the White House! Get your fighters there as soon as possible!
MALE VOICE: That came from Boston?
HUCKABONE: We're gonna turn and burn it—crank it up—
MALE TECH: Six miles!
HUCKABONE: All right, here we go. This is what we're gonna do—
NASYPANY: We've got an aircraft deviating eight [sic] miles east of the White House right now.
FOX: Do you want us to declare A.F.I.O. [emergency military control of the fighters] and run 'em straight in there?
NASYPANY: Take 'em and run 'em to the White House.
FOX: Go directly to Washington.
CITINO: We're going direct D.C. with my guys [Langley fighters]? Okay. Okay.
HUCKABONE: Ma'am, we are going A.F.I.O. right now with Quit 2-5 [the Langley fighters]. They are going direct Washington.
NAVY A.T.C.: Quit 2-5, we're handing 'em off to Center right now.
HUCKABONE: Ma'am, we need to expedite that right now. We've gotta contact them on 2-3-4-6.http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608?currentPage=7
- NORAD Tapes
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"Six miles south, or west, or east of the White House is—it's seconds [away]," Nasypany told me later. "Airliners traveling at 400-plus knots, it's nothing. It's seconds away from that location." The White House, then, is in immediate danger. Radar analysis in the following weeks will show that the plane abruptly veers away and turns toward the Pentagon, though the controllers at neads have no way of knowing this in the moment. Looking in the general capital area, one of the tracker techs thinks he spots the plane on radar, then just as quickly loses it. 09:37:56
MALE TECH: Right here, right here, right here. I got him. I got him.
NASYPANY: We just lost track. Get a Z-point [coordinate] on that.… O.K., we got guys lookin' at 'em. Hold on.… Where's Langley at? Where are the fighters? http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2006/08/norad200608?currentPage=8
Six miles southeast of the White House at the NORAD 1st report time of 09:35:41 would place the decoy aircraft about where the aircraft symbol is nearest to Andrews AFB is on the satellite map. The remainder of the flight path drawn on the map as witnessed by Steve Chaconas is about 12.5 miles to the pull up at the Pentagon at an alleged 9:37:44 (previously 9:43 before changed because of stupid errors in disinformation). This would leave 2 minute 3 seconds for the decoy aircraft to arrive at the Pentagon. Dividing 12.5 miles by 123 seconds would give an average 757 aircraft speed of .101 mps or 365.853 mph. Now let's add the 5 minutes 16 seconds of the original 9:43 explosion time to the formula. Dividing 12.5 miles by 439 seconds would give an average aircraft speed of .0284 mps or 102.505 mph. Much too slow, but the aircraft had already proceeded past its reported location by the time NORAD received the Boston Center 9:35:41 report. In 30 seconds time, the aircraft would have traveled between 3.03 and .852 miles along the flight path. The aircraft speed would be between 365.853 mph and 102.505 mph assuming the orginal 9:43 time of impact. Therefore this decoy aircraft actually pulling up at the Pentagon at 9:43 could have been very near the recommended 757 landing speed of 152.236 mph (here and here) and could have easily landed at the end of the long runway from the north by engaging full flaps, dropping the gear and pulling a sharp right turn which these aircraft are easily capable of at slow speeds. Of course the landing time would be later than the 9:39 N644AW time, but since the PRIMARY SUSPECT is manipulating official times to fit their faulty disinformation and magician's tricks, they likely would not hesitate to alter the landing time of N644AW to hide their trickery and also order a Federal employee Stephenson (Dulles and Reagan National are both owned by the Federal government) to adjust the official story.
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Stephenson and the others stood in stunned silence for several seconds. But then the phones started ringing again and they got back to shutting the airport down.
Revised for corrections
Edited by SPreston, Mar 26 2008, 09:20 AM. |
1:44 AM Nov 26
