AMTMAN

Mar 22 2008, 04:10 PM

SPreston

Mar 22 2008, 12:13 PM

AMTMAN

 

SPreston:
You are aware of the fact that the first (EDIT: production) 767 Tanker did not fly until after 9-11? Were you also aware that Boeing just lost the USAF tanker competition to Northrup/EADS?

Yep, sure am. But the concept is still valid. I am also aware that the Boeing 767 was first flown on 26 September 1981 and the first production 767 aircraft was delivered to United Airlines in August 1982. I am also aware that the 767 tanker concept was started in the 1990s, and Boeing started producing test versions in 1999, and the KC767 version for cargo, passenger, and tanker was considered and developed in the late 1990s, and that the US Military received many 767 tankers for testing purposes prior to 2001 and could have easily converted them for use in the 9-11-2001 Shock & Awe attack against the WTC Towers.

First of all please provide a source and two give some sort of evidence that those aircraft were converted.

What airplanes actually hit the WTC?

 

Dr. Stefan Grossmann has suggests that Boeing 767-200 aircraft had too short a wingspan and were not the type of aircraft that hit the WTC on September 11, 2001. I disagree with his hypothesis.

We are told that two Boeing 767-200 aircraft hit WTC 1 and 2. I believe they were 767-200 type KC767TT airborne refueling tanker aircraft painted to look like United and American flights. American Airlines tail number 644AA, flight AA11 flew into the north tower (WTC1) between the 94th to the 98th floors in Manhattan at 8:46 a.m. on 9-11. Do the photos support Dr. Grossmans allegation?

Lets use the physical spacing of the perimeter support columns — 40" center to center to geometrically check the imprint of the wings of the destroyed aircraft to compare it with the actual wingspan of a 767-200 commercial jet.

Here is a photo of the north tower impact hole:


Here is a model Dr. Grossman uses (from www.3dcadbrowser.com) of a Boeing 767-200 (pure 2d view, thus no perspective distortion of nose versus wings):
Boeing 767-200

Hole measurements
A does not equal B but may instead be a very inaccurate rescaling of size, a rough calculation yields a wingspan actually shorter than the 767-200

C = 23 columns in length

C = 920 inches x 2 = 1840 inches for calculated wingspan

Wingspan 767- 200 = 1873 inches

Difference: 33 inches less, but well within the error calculation for the span of a 767-200 based on the wing imprint size on the image.

Another calculation of this hole to determine wingspan shows it as 46 columns in distance (length of hypotenuse) or 1840 inches or 33 inches less in length, well within the error calculation (red line is set at the actual port wing tip strike)


Original claim was in error by Dr. Grossmann, this is indeed a hole caused by a 767-200 "type." But the 33 inch less distance in wing span may reveal something else, the curvature angle of the wing loading.

(Note on the wing angle: Airplane wings do not have a hinge at the fuselage where they are rooted. Airplane wings can flex, they flex by ‘bowing’, this decreases the wing span tip to tip distance, perhaps by 33 inches as measured. Each of the two impacting aircrafts on 9-11-1 in Manhattan entered on a descending or level path and not in a situation for significant wing flex but were indeed flexed.

Was this airplane loaded with tanks of fuel? Was it a camouflaged ‘767-200 based KC767TT in flight refueling tanker’ repainted to appear as an American Airlines passenger jet?

In addition, we are told that another Boeing 767-200, tail number 612UA, flight United Airlines 175 flew into the south tower (WTC2) between the78th to the 84th floorsin Manhattan at 9:03 a.m. on 9-11. Do the photos support this allegation?

Here is a photo of the south tower impact hole:
South tower impact hole
D = 23.0 columns in length

D = 920 inches x 2 = 1840 inches

Difference is 33 inches less than a standard 767-200, and well within the error calculation for the span of a 767-200 under load.

Object hanging below fuselage
However, what produced the impact below the fuselage impact?
Was this airplane a camouflaged ‘In flight refueling tanker repainted as a United Airlines passenger jet’ loaded with additional jet fuel in an external fuel tank?

Now look at a still shot of the aircraft prior to impact. Something is hanging off the lower starboard part of the fuselage and the wings are bent upwards as if the aircraft was heavily loaded…
Flt 175 before impact South Tower