- Gribz
- Mar 3 2008, 01:01 AM
However Bret the "we have some planes" is just an absolute load of nonsense anyway. This is made up and was probably recorded at the pentagon.
thanks Gribz. there is/was in fact some controversy/confusion regarding the "we have some planes" comment:
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Because the talkback button on Flight 11 has been activated, Boston flight controllers can hear a hijacker on board say to the passengers: “We have some planes. Just stay quiet and you’ll be OK. We are returning to the airport.” Flight controller Pete Zalewski recognizes this as a foreign, Middle Eastern-sounding voice, but does not make out the specific words “we have some planes.” He responds, “Who’s trying to call me?” Seconds later, in the next transmission, the hijacker continues, “Nobody move. Everything will be OK. If you try to make any moves you’ll endanger yourself and the airplane. Just stay quiet.” Zalewski asks for an assistant to help listen to the transmissions coming from the plane, and puts its frequency on speakers so others at Boston Center can hear. Because Zalewski didn’t understand the initial hijacker communication from Flight 11, the manager of Boston Center instructs the center’s quality assurance specialist to “pull the tape” of the transmission, listen to it carefully, and then report back. They do this, and by about 9:03 a.m. a Boston manager will report having deciphered what was said in the first hijacker transmission (see (9:03 a.m.) September 11, 2001). Fellow Boston controller Don Geoffroy also hears the tape of the hijacker transmissions, though he doesn’t state at what time. He says, “I heard exactly what Pete [Zalewski] heard. And we had to actually listen to it a couple of times just to make sure that we were hearing what we heard.”
(sorry i cant seem to locate the link for the above)
but here are some other sources:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14754701/page/2/
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8:30 am. As Boston Center supervisors notify the FAA and other air traffic centers about the hijacking of American Flight 11, the plane makes another dramatic turn—south towards New York City. Pete Zalewski anxiously listens on the frequency, thinking the hijackers might try to make contact.
Pete Zalewski: Then comes a third transmission from the aircraft. And that one was pretty horrifying.
Zalewski, concerned he might be missing vital information, asks the supervisor to have someone pull the transmission tapes that are automatically recorded, right away.
Zalewski: And thankfully, they did pull the tapes. And a part that I didn’t hear which was, “We have more planes,” or something to that effect. And that really was a key statement.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5233007
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A manager at Boston flight control reports to the FAA’s New England regional headquarters the “We have some planes” comment made by a Flight 11 hijacker at 8:24 a.m. (see 8:24 a.m. September 11, 2001). The Boston controller says, “I’m gonna reconfirm with, with downstairs, but the, as far as the tape… seemed to think the guy said that ‘we have planes.’ Now, I don’t know if it was because it was the accent, or if there’s more than one [hijacked plane], but I’m gonna, I’m gonna reconfirm that for you, and I’ll get back to you real quick. Okay?” Asked, “They have what?,” this person clarifies, “Planes, as in plural.…
mind you Gribz, im not saying that this "confusion" went down exactly as they claim. but even if 100% true, its still isnt a justified excuse for not having contacted the necessary air defenses to intercept (make visual contact with, not shoot down) the off-course plane(s). but im only recently getting intimately familiar with the protocols in place for the controllers to follow in such situations, so i wont pretend to be an expert on the subject. perhaps woody can detail that further for us.
but back to the OP, the visual evidence (naudet film) shows a smaller plane. this can be argued perhaps, but then i would point to the many reports (earlier posts) that also point to a smaller plane. there has to be some reason for such early reports, its not a claim that appeared out of nowhere by itself. in fact, it would seem that the notion of a larger plane having hit the tower appeared afterwards, via MSM, and then became canon and taken as fact. but the INITIAL reports pointed to a smaller plane and that was the original fact before it was "updated".
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