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Gideon524	Feb 4 2008, 01:21 PM
Oh, you didn't know? Posts: 522 Group: Admins Member #4 Joined: 12/21/07	You said… RKOwens4 The military commanders, FAA, and even the fighter pilots BELIEVED that they were in the process of intercepting Flight 93. And they still believed that when the ABC story aired a year later. If they had been wrong about their initial beliefs, they would've made that clear to ABC. Surely they’d have cleared up the confusion about what happened by then and not talked of their experiences like the plane was still in the air as they did. It wasn't until the Commish came out in 2004 that the story changed. You said… RKOwens4 One of the pilots even talks about how his mindstate at the time was "The game has changed. We can do something about it now." I have no doubt that that was his mindstate. That was Colonel Robert Marr saying, NEADS Commander Colonel Robert Marr ABC News 9/11/02 “The RULES have changed. We can do something about it now.” and he was referring to the shootdown order he’d just been passed. You said… RKOwens4 General Winfield says that the fighters reported at 10:03 that the plane was down. This would have been impossible. Even if you believe the timeline of the planes being tangled up in Washington until 10:10 (still 150 miles away), consider the FAA air traffic control recordings of the controller calling for United 93 and then asking nearby planes if they see any smoke. If fighter planes were in the air, why didn't the controllers ask them, and why wouldn't they be the ones saying "Yeah, we do see smoke" instead of the pilot of the private plane? You guys accuse us of twisting facts and ignoring evidence and you’re doing it yourself right here by denying something out of the mouth of an NMCC staffer on national TV. After all the talk about the hijacked UA93, the shootdown order, the crash scene itself(the video aired earlier in the Shanksville chapter), he ends the UA93 story by saying, Brig. Gen. Montague Winfield ABC News 9/11/02 It was about 10:03 that the fighters reported that Flight 93 had crashed. If you’d like to see the entire report and how it aired on TV, here you go… You said… RKOwens4 Norman Mineta's timeline concerning when he heard Dick Cheney say "Of course the order still stands" was off by over half an hour, and he mistook the plane being referred to as Flight 77 (it was actually Flight 93). We’re not turning this into a Mineta debate. You know damn well he was talking about American 77 because WeAreChange confronted him and asked him about it. 9/11 was a horrific day for everybody and everything we did that day as the events unfolded is forever burned in all of our minds. There is no doubt in Mineta’s mind Cheney tracked American 77 from the PEOC and he confirmed this when asked a few months ago by WeAreChange. You said… RKOwen4 Once again, you're looking at his statement from the point of view of all of this happening before 10:03, when nothing in the report says when all of this took place. Again, watch the actual news clip the way it aired on 9/11/02 and then tell me it’s not in the context that the events described all happened BEFORE the plane crashed. You said… RKOwens4 Bush's order to shoot down planes didn't come until 10:15 and wasn't even passed onto the pilots, I'd have to agree with the 9/11 Commission that more than likely the plane would have reached it's target, unless maybe one of the pilots saw it heading for its target and shot it down anyway. We'll never know for sure. No sir. The President AUTHORIZED the order BEFORE the plane crash. The Langley fighters were later told to “keep planes away from the White House” as confirmed in this story. Maybe they weren’t given the order until after the crash, but they were most certainly in a position to keep the plane from reaching its target. Langley wasn’t the only fighter squad involved with United 93. There were fighters on a training mission from Selfridge Air National Guard Base near Detriot involved as well and the NEADS Commanders gave them the shootdown order as the news reported it. I’m not sure if they’re mentioned in the Commish. Now I know what you’re going to say. You’re gonna quote when the reporter says “The order was likely minutes away when the passengers took the plane down.” But then, when you refer back to Marr’s comment in the other video, fighter pilots were indeed told the shootdown order. All these news reports indicate at the very least that United 93 would’ve never reached its target and this belief was established long before the Commish was even formed. You said… RKOwens4 You claim the ABC report contradicts the commission, saying that "they were clearly talking about a SHOOTDOWN ORDER, not an intercept order." Again, have you watched your own video clip as presented in Loose Change? The report, word for word, says, 'Marr orders his air controllers, "TELL THE PILOTS to intercept Flight 93.'" Where are you seeing the word shoot-down anywhere in this sentence, or anywhere in the report for that matter??? Like I've said, an intercept order is entirely different than a shoot-down order. The fighters WERE ordered to intercept Flight 93. But the shoot-down order WAS NOT given to them. If there's more to the report than was presented in Loose Change, please send me a link. But the report you've presented, word for word, proves that an INTERCEPT ORDER was given, not a shoot-down order. Once again, No, Marr did not give a shoot-down order to the pilots. The anchor talks about telling the pilots to intercept United 93, and then Marr talks about "that order". That order. The intercept order. Nowhere does a shoot-down order even come up. You, my friend, have twisted the words of the military commanders and others on 9/11 and then, baselessly, accused them (either directly or indirectly) of shooting down Flight 93. Again, watch the full clip posted above. It goes from talking about the shootdown order, right into Marr’s story. The lady says… Lt. Col Dawne Deskins: Air National Guard ABC News 9/11/02 Nothing any controller would ever want to pass to a pilot, to SHOOTDOWN an airliner filled with innocent people. Marr is CLEARLY talking about a shootdown order. That’s how the news reported it. Denying reality gets you no further to the truth. You said… RKOwens4 You've misled millions and denied the heroic actions of the passengers of United 93 without a single shred of proof. Millions, eh? That’s very generous of you but last time I checked the ticker on the video, it had about 334 views. Edited by Gideon524, Feb 4 2008, 02:29 PM.


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