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| RKOwens4 | Feb 3 2008, 09:31 PM |
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Gideon: Thanks for a logical response. This is more than I can say about you, Terral (I'll get to your post shortly). Are you saying, Gideon, that you're the creator of the Shanksville chapter of Loose Change discussing the media reports? You're looking at the media reports and what is said entirely out of context. General Winfield says "the decision was made to try to go intercept Flight 93". The 9/11 Commission does not deny this. This did happen. The military commanders, FAA, and even the fighter pilots BELIEVED that they were in the process of intercepting Flight 93. However, they would soon learn that the plane was already down. One of the pilots even talks about how his mindstate at the time was "The game has changed. We can do something about it now." I have no doubt that that was his mindstate. General Winfield says that the fighters reported at 10:03 that the plane was down. This would have been impossible. Even if you believe the timeline of the planes being tangled up in Washington until 10:10 (still 150 miles away), consider the FAA air traffic control recordings of the controller calling for United 93 and then asking nearby planes if they see any smoke. If fighter planes were in the air, why didn't the controllers ask them, and why wouldn't they be the ones saying "Yeah, we do see smoke" instead of the pilot of the private plane? Why aren't the fighters on radar in Washington at 10:03 and not Shanksville? On 9/11, military commanders weren't even aware of most of the hijackings until after they had hit their targets or crashed. Norman Mineta's timeline concerning when he heard Dick Cheney say "Of course the order still stands" was off by over half an hour, and he mistook the plane being referred to as Flight 77 (it was actually Flight 93). To believe that every military commander knew exactly what was going on across the United States at each exact minute is doing an injustice to yourself, because this simply did not happen on 9/11. There are many reasons why General Winfield could have mistaken where the report that the plane was down came from, but the evidence shows that the report could not have possible come from any fighter. You then quote General Winfield about being notified of Flight 93 by the FAA and being given updates on time estimates as to how far away the plane was. FACT: On 9/11, General Winfield was notified by the FAA of Flight 93's hijacking and given time estimates. Norman Mineta, among 2 or 3 others in the White House bunker, confirm Dick Cheney being given the time estimates. THIS DOES NOT "DIRECTLY" OR INDIRECTLY CONTRADICT THE 9/11 COMMISSION. Once again, you're looking at his statement from the point of view of all of this happening before 10:03, when nothing in the report says when all of this took place. The 9/11 Commission does not state that United 93 would have reached Washington had the passengers not overtaken the plane. It says something like "NORAD insists that it would have intercepted Flight 93 before reaching Washington, but we aren't so sure." (I know that's not word for word what it says.) I don't blame NORAD for trying to portray a sense of competency on 9/11, but when you consider that Flight 93 would have reached Washington around 10:20, and Bush's order to shoot down planes didn't come until 10:15 and wasn't even passed onto the pilots, I'd have to agree with the 9/11 Commission that more than likely the plane would have reached it's target, unless maybe one of the pilots saw it heading for its target and shot it down anyway. We'll never know for sure. |
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