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Gideon524	Feb 2 2008, 11:07 PM
Oh, you didn't know? Posts: 522 Group: Admins Member #4 Joined: 12/21/07	For the record, it's not specifically Loose Change's work. I tacked this info onto the Shanksville chapter myself since it was my research. What you are watching is Official Story 2002 vs. The Final Official Story(9/11 Commish) When you take the ABC report completely out of context, like you just did, then you can match it up all you want. The fact is, Winfield is clearly talking about events BEFORE the plane crashed. He says... Brig. Gen. Montague Winfield ABC News 9/11/02 "the decision was made to try to go intercept Flight 93" then says... Brig. Gen. Montague Winfield ABC News 9/11/02 "It was about 1003 that THE FIGHTERS reported that Flight 93 had crashed." Then you turn around and make an excuse and say... RKOwens4 "It's almost certain that he was confusing this with a private plane which was the first to circle over the area and report the rising smoke and crater." Your very next sentence talks about how Loose Change likes to pretend. Kind of ironic? You make this excuse because you know if it were FIGHTERS reporting the crash back at 10:03 that the Commish is DEAD WRONG about military notification. You said... RKOwens4 Although Loose Change likes to pretend that there was no confusion on 9/11 among anyone, the fact is that it's understandable that General Winfield would mistake the visible confirmation of the downed plane as coming from a fighter rather than a private plane. No matter how much you spin it, that's not what he said. You guys like to pretend there was no competence at all that day, that our military and government completely dropped the ball in every instance that any of the events of 9/11 could have been prevented or thwarted. You failed to see the contradictions I was pointing out in the film. One being that the Commish states that 9/11 Commission "No manager at FAA HQ passed any information it had about United 93 to the military." Winfield, the year after 9/11, before the Commish was even formed, states on ABC... Brig. Gen. Montague Winfield ABC News 9/11/02 "We received a report from the FAA that Flight 93 had turned off its transponder, had turned, and was now headed towards Washington D.C." and then... Brig. Gen. Montague Winfield ABC News 9/11/02 "The FAA kept us informed of their time estimates as the aircraft got closer and closer." That is a direct contradiction. It's clear in this interview that the NMCC, NEADS, the White House and the FAA were all aware of that plane DURING the hijack and talking amongst each other about what to do. Taken into the correct context the interviews aired on the news, the events described by Col. Marr and Gen. Winfield came BEFORE THE PLANE CRASHED. When you watch the interviews, they all go in the same order as put together in the short film. The military was notified of United 93, tracked it, ordered the fighters after the plane, THEN IT CRASHED. That is how it aired on Sept. 11, 2002, long before the Commish was even underway. The Commish also contradicts more NORAD statements when they'd have us believe that had the passengers not taken down the plane, that UA93 would've reached its target in D.C. Even NORAD doesn't buy this. You said... RKOwens4 Loose Change claims that the NBC report, in which the Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff talks of a conversation on 9/11 in which he said to someone that fighters were sent to intercept Flight 93, "completely contradicts" the 9/11 Commission. Richard Myers' account of UA93, in the NBC report, also aired in the context that the events he is describing happened BEFORE THE PLANE CRASHED. It is also interesting to point out how he said that UA93 was "showing to the ground that it was transmitting this hijack code" I thought none of the planes sent 7500 code to the ground? You said... RKOwens But wait, there's that one thing, "straight from the horse's mouth", which contradicts the report, right? And what is this? A statement that the fighter pilots were ordered to intercept Flight 93, supposedly contradicting the report's findings that the shoot down order wasn't passed to the pilots. Apparently Dylan Avery doesn't understand what an intercept is. In fact, an intercept means to reach the plane and trail it from a safe distance. INTERCEPT DOES NOT MEAN SHOOT DOWN. Dozens of planes were intercepted in the years prior to 9/11 (none of them in the United States, though). None were shot down. Again, Loose Change fails to present a single piece of evidence. You completely missed the point entirely with a nice game of bait and switch, confusing the handling of the shootdown order and then discussing an intercept, two different things. In regards to the passing of the shootdown order to fighter pilots, the 9/11 Commish states specifically... 9/11 Commission "Indeed the NEADS COMMANDER told us he did not pass along the order because he was unaware of its ramifications." Yet, two years earlier, on ABC News... ABC's Charlie Gibson ABC News 9/11/02 Marr orders his air controllers, "TELL THE PILOTS to intercept Flight 93." NEADS Commander Colonel Robert Marr ABC News 9/11/02 And we, of course, passed that order on to the pilots, "United 93 will not be allowed to reach Washington D.C." The shootdown order was INDEED passed to the fighter pilots according to this news story because it was earlier on they were discussing the communicating of the order from Bush to Cheney when Cheney broke into the conference call. The Commission is either wrong or lying to say that the NEADS Commander did not pass the shootdown order to the pilots. Marr said it on television before the Commish was even created. In the ABC report, they were clearly talking about a SHOOTDOWN ORDER, not an intercept order. The news videos used in this film all aired this information within a year of the attacks, in the context that the events being described my Marr, Winfield, Myers, etc, all occurred BEFORE THE PLANE CRASHED. Spin it however you must. The facts speak for themselves.


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