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22205	Jun 23 2009, 01:44 AM
Arlingtonian Posts: 443 Group: Members Member #24 Joined: 01/14/08	mumin I highly suspect that document that just so happened to be leaked and mass distributed. please finish your above thought, for it seems incomplete. mumin Additionally, given that Ahmedinijad was favored to win, I don't see how this was a fraudulent election. There is no evidence of foul play. All those protesters who have the green signs that say, "Where is my vote?", the answer is, "It was counted, but your guy lost". mumin Evidence of Western Intelligence Meddling in Iranian Elections: http://www.infowars.net/a...ne2009/220609Meddling.htm mumin, i wanted you to see how ironic it is that those echoing your particular sentiment about iran's election, are ex-CIA agents: Quote: "Ahmadinejad won. Get over it" By FLYNT LEVERETT AND HILLARY MANN LEVERETT \| 6/15/09 12:01 PM EDT Without any evidence, many U.S. politicians and “Iran experts” have dismissed Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s reelection Friday, with 62.6 percent of the vote, as fraud. They ignore the fact that Ahmadinejad’s 62.6 percent of the vote in this year’s election is essentially the same as the 61.69 percent he received in the final count of the 2005 presidential election, when he trounced former President Ali Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani. The shock of the “Iran experts” over Friday’s results is entirely self-generated, based on their preferred assumptions and wishful thinking. source: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23745.html who is Leverett? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynt_Leverett Quote: Flynt Leverett is a senior fellow at the New America Foundation in Washington, D.C. and a professor at the Pennsylvania State University School of International Affairs. From March 2002 to March 2003, he served as the senior director for Middle East affairs on the National Security Council. Prior to serving on the NSC, he was a counterterrorism expert on the State Department’s Policy Planning Staff, and before that he served as a CIA senior analyst for eight years. Since leaving government service, Leverett served as a visiting fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Saban Center for Middle East Policy before becoming the director of the Geopolitics of Energy Initiative in the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation. Quote: Flynt Leverett - Senior Fellow; Director, Geopolitics of Energy Initiative, New America Foundation Flynt Leverett is a leading authority on U.S. foreign policy, the Middle East and the Persian Gulf, and global energy issues. From 1992 to 2003, he had a distinguished career in the U.S. government, serving as Senior Director for Middle East Affairs at the National Security Council, Middle East Expert on the Secretary of State's Policy Planning Staff, and Senior Analyst at the Central Intelligence Agency. He left the Bush administration and government service in the spring of 2003 because of disagreements about Middle East policy and the conduct of the war on terror more generally. He is a consultant to the World Economic Forum's “Gulf Cooperation Council and the World 2025” scenarios project and to the Club of Madrid on global energy issues. He is a peer reviewer for the International Energy Agency's World Energy Outlook. source: http://www.newamerica.net/people/flynt_leverett so you (like leverett) generalize recklessly about ahmadinejad's "victory" with no proof to back your assertion (though leveret did cite the last election's numbers, tho he takes for granted that those tallies too were more than likely fraudulent - there just wasnt as much uproar about it last time around). frankly we both know that such proof (of the exact and authentic vote tallies) would be impossible to find or obtain for any iranian election, especially with both of us sitting outside of iran. so its easy for you to throw around vague dismissals, meanwhile iranian lives and souls pay the price. mumin I would like to pose a question to everyone. Why is everyone so interested in the results of the Iranian elections? Where was the outrage from the International community when Hafiz Al-Assad, former president of Syria died, and his son, Bashar Al-Asad, inherited his presidency. How come no one challenged the fact that there were no elections and the presidency was passed down as if it were a monarchy? How come there were no outrages from the International community, when it was proven that the 2004 U.S. elections had been rigged? 2 wrongs dont make a right. when you speak of syria and the atrocities and injustices there, and of the lack of western attention or coverage, i sympathize with you and the people sufferring in that region (as they often suffer all over the middle east). but just because that didnt get the attention it deserved is no reason to resent that iran's current state of chaos has become such a hot topic currently (worldwide). of course there is a design behind why this issue would get so much western coverage and the others (like syria) didnt. imo its because america does NOT have a direct hand directly inside the current dispute in iran, so its safe for them to expose "iranians against iranians" it to the world, whereas with the assassination in syria, the usa probably did have direct involvement, so they kept it quiet. regardless man, i dont know how much you know about iran's recent history (last 35 years), but i think you might be missing a huge chunk of the reason for why people in iran are fed up (possibly because for 20+ years there has been little to no coverage or acknowledgment of it in). but this uprising is not really about this election, even if the election has become the catalyst for people to finally have the COURAGE to express their outrage. the outrage has been there for a long while man, and it is fully justified. i have personally tasted it first hand: the iron heel of the basij's boot in my ribs at the age of 7, when they came to my grandmother's home and blindfolded us, tied our hands, and yelled obsceneties and accusations at me and my 3 older uncles who were there. they searched the house and found a few pieces of literature belonging to the mko/mek/ncri (the site about nedah that jfk linked to is theirs). so after wrecking the place and leaving it shambles, we were led into a paddy wagon, where we were tightly packed in with what felt like more than a dozen other young men from our neighborhood. somewhere on the edge of town (the city began to end and highway started) me, my 2 younger uncles (13 and 14 in age) and another boy (davoud) also aged 14, were thrown out of the vehicle (they were kind enough to stop). only my hands and my blindfold were undone (perhaps cuz i was the youngest) and i had to untie everyone else as we began our long walk home (no phones and no one in our families owned cars). my one uncle, who was 20 at the time, i did not see again. he was sentenced to 8 years in the nazi built prison EVIN. i left iran in 84, and he still had half his sentence to serve. during those 4 years i was there, 3 more of my direct relatives (one of them a woman aged 22) were thrown in prison over lies and bullshit. they all lived and were lucky, for they were NOT actually active in any resistance movement, they were just in possession of propaganda. those men and women who had any actual affliations with the leftists (the monafeghs) or the mko (mujahedeen) were tortured heavily for information, and eventually executed. the numbers of people this happened to would blow your mind. mothers all over iran, like my own grandmother, are hungry for the blood of these mullahs, these thieves, these murderers. its not about an election, its about 30 years of deceit and torture and oppression. my childhood was spent in those bloody times and everyday i was in the thick of it, from home life (with our worries and fears for our imprisoned relatives and our paranoia that everything we did was under surveillance), to my daily walks to school where pockets of resistance would have shoot outs in guerilla warfare on the streets of shemroon/shemiran (north tehran). ahmadinejad came later, after my time in iran, but he's no different for he is an extension and a servant for those who are directly responsible for me and my family's (and countless others') sufferring. iran is a powder keg of negative energy and hatred against these vampires. the only people who follow them are peasants, uneducated fools from the rural parts of iran who have been bought and brainwashed. educated and modern people of iran know iran needs to move into the world stage on a diplomatic tone and in economic harmony with the rest of the world. they want this backassward islam of centuries ago to catch up with the times or get the fuck out. they cant take the oppression anymore, but when it comes to dying or living hard - most people choose to live hard almost everytime (no one wants to be dead). imo - without guns or help from outside, even those willing to die stand a very slim chance of deposing these evil doers. and america is working directly with the mullah regime, so nothing is gonna change in iran unless the iranians themselves give thousands of lives to fight legions of trained armed guards and soldiers on their way to where these mullahs live/stay and can finally be apprehended in the flesh and made to answer, then suffer. btw - my father heavily disagrees. he feels that if the merchants and businesses of iran shut down, and the whole country brought to an economic and business standstill, that then the people can leverage that to get some positive results. he believes that what i prescribe, armed resistance and outright attack, is exactly what the mullahs want: justification for all out lawless murder. my father believes that alot of the violent protestors in iran are actually provocateurs. he believes that the majority of people wanted to have peaceful protest and that a few trouble makers, possibly inside-jobbers (so to speak) were going around causing mayhem intentionally to serve as a pretext for the henchmen to do their bidding to the peaceful protestors. i defer to his insights for he knows a thing or two about a thing or two, but he wasnt there for 5 years in the early 80's and didnt taste the pain directly (like i did), so maybe its easy for him to speak of diplomatic and more civilized solutions.


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