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jfk, i have no issue with the allegation that iran's majority votes for mousavi were fraudulently dismissed and or not counted. so i am in agreement with those (iranians) who are outraged and feel disenfranchised as a result of ahmadinejad's swindle. but regarding the alleged documentation you posted, i see some anomallies that make it suspect and i would like shed some light on them.
my understanding (via translation) of the text of that document is that it is a final vote tally for the election. it is allegedly written by and signed by the minister of the interior, sadeq mahsouli and is addressed to supreme leader khamenei. included are exact numbers for the election results, with mousavi having almost 4 times as many votes as ahmadinejad.
for the minister of the interior to post these numbers, would be considered an outright act of defiance and provocation towards ahmadinejad and khamenei. basically this document, if authentic and true, would serve to undermine those who are being of accused of having fraudulently stolen this election, namely ahmadinejad and khamenei (who endorsed ahmadi's "victory"). so whats odd or doesnt make sense is that sadeq mahsouli (minister of interior) was appointed by ahmadinejad himself months ago, which is highly suspected (by iranians now) to be in preparation for stealing this electoral victory. for mahsouli to have presented a document with the above tallies would roughly be the equivalent of KATHERINE HARRIS (link1, link2) coming in out in 2000 and saying that the numbers indeed showed Gore to be the victor in florida (and thus the nation).
back to iran (mahsouli and ahmadinejad) here are some relevant links:
http://tinyurl.com/nmw4re
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TEHRAN (Reuters) -- Iran's parliament narrowly approved President Mahmud Ahmadinejad's choice for interior minister on November 18, after the previous minister was sacked in a vote by lawmakers over a fake university degree.
Sadeq Mahsouli, a former Revolutionary Guards comrade of the president, takes charge of the ministry responsible for overseeing elections seven months before a presidential poll. Ahmadinejad is expected to run but has yet to declare.
The November 18 vote in favor of Mahsouli -- 138 of the 273 lawmakers present, only just more than half -- will be a relief to Ahmadinejad, who has faced mounting criticism from parliament particularly over his economic policies and surging inflation.
Mahsouli had been a nominee for oil minister early in Ahmadinejad's term but withdrew after lawmakers criticised his wealth and lack of related experience. Parliament must approve ministers and can also kick them out.
The previous interior minister, Ali Kordan, was forced out by parliament for having a fake degree from Britain's Oxford University.
"Today we need someone at the Interior Ministry who can manage and put things together. After all, we have had some shakiness at the ministry in the last five to six months," the president told lawmakers in an address to win support.
Mahsouli had campaigned hard before the vote to secure the backing of lawmakers, many of whom were wary of the choice.
"Cooperation between the government and parliament is very important and, through this cooperation, we should disappoint our enemies," Ahmadinejad said in a speech that some initially reluctant MPs said struck a conciliatory tone.
Some still opposed Mahsouli, saying the pick was part of Ahmadinejad's reelection campaign before the June vote.
"This choice is a choice for the election," said conservative MP Hossein Falahatpisheh, adding that Mahsouli had been a campaign manager for Ahmadinejad in past elections.
"By selecting him now as his interior minister, it is like forming an election headquarters before the election," he said.
then there is this: http://www2.irna.ir/fa/news/view/line-16/0906124146191504.htm
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Minister announces final election results, names Ahmadinejad winner Tehran, June 13, IRNA – Interior Minister Sadeq Mahsouli said Saturday that 39,165,191 valid and invalid votes were cast in the 10th Presidential Elections on Friday June 12. Mahsouli said that final election results show that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has got 24,527,516 or 62.63 percent of the total votes. He said that on alphabetic order, other candiates are Mohsen Rezaie Qaed, with 678,240 or 1.73 percent of votes, Mehdi Karroubi, with 333,635 or 0.85 percent and Mir-Hossein Moussavi Khamene with 13,216,411 or 33.75 percent of the votes. The Minister put the number of invalid votes at 409,389 or 1.04 percent of the total. He put the number of eligible voters at 46,200,000 and said 85 percent of the population had taken part in the event. He said that people’s turnout set an unprecedented record and was a big epic, thanking all governors general, officials in charge of elections and the Iranian nation for that. *note by me: the above fits the alleged "11 million votes" that ahmadinejad supposedly beat mousavi by.
now - since mahsouli is (for the most part) a shill for ahmadinejad, the above tallies seem alot more credible as far as what mahsouli would have reported, as opposed to the ones below:
- alleged official farsi document signed by mahsouli
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total votes (cast): 42026078
mousavi: 19075623
karoubi: 13387104
ahmadinejad: 5698417
fayed: 3754218
invalid votes: 38716
-compare them to the numbers presented in the iranian press release and none of them match. im not saying either (or any) of the vote tallies is accurate, since i believe the results to have been tampered with and or fraudulent. but i feel the need to warn against being tricked by the information war thats being waged by the various sides with something at stake in this issue. but from my personal understanding of things (specifically mahsouli's relationship to ahmadinejad and khamenei) i find it very unlikely that the iranian document is authentic.
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more about mahsouli: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Sadeq+Mahsouli&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
more about mahsouli and ahmadinejad's direct relationship: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Sadeq+Mahsouli+interior+%22ahmadinejad%27s+nominee%22&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
Edited by 22205, Jun 21 2009, 10:42 PM.
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