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What evidence do we have that Hanjour was even on Flight 77?

First, he's on the passenger list, published in it's originally form in 2005. ZIP-File

But Ashcroft said on Sept.14 :" And American Airlines 77, Dulles to Los Angeles, four hijackers. That is our preliminary." Source

So maybe they had to that time no clue that there were five hijackers. But in the first published list of the hijackers by the FBI from the same day (Sept.14), five hijackers were listed. But Hanjour was missing. Instead, another hijacker was suspected to be on board of Flight 77 : Mosear Caned (note this is phonetic spelling).
Here's the transcript of the CNN-Report from 09/14/01.

There are several names misspelled, but all other names are similiar to the FBI-list of the nineteen hijackers published four hours later.
All out of one: Mosear Caned does not sound anything like Hani Hanjour. (See for comparison this blog)
How could 'Caned' occur on the CNN-list when he wasn't on the passenger-list? And why was his name never mentioned again?
And how is it possible that within four hours out from nowhere Hanjour apeared and replaced Caned, who disappeared into nowhere?


Maybe this could be the reason:

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"His name [Hani Hanjour] was not on the American Airlines manifest for the flight because he may not have had a ticket." Washington Post


But later it's revealed that Hanjour purchased a ticket in cash on August 31, at Advanced Travel Service.

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“Hanjour and Moqed initially asked for two first class seats on a morning flight to Los Angeles, California. The agent told them a ticket cost $2,220 from Newark and $1,842 from Washington Dulles; they went with the Dulles flight. But they changed their mind and bought only one ticket--for Hanjour, requesting a front aisle seat; he got 1B. For identification, Hanjour presented a Virginia driver's license with a Falls Church address.” Source


But the confusion doesn't end here, because according to the 9/11-Commission Hanjour had only a Virginia ID, but not a Virginia driver’s licence. 9/11 Commission, 8/21/2004, pp. 32

If we believe the Commission Report, then he used a faked license. From the investigation we know that several of the hijackers used faked ID cards. But why should he use a faked license, as he obviously didn't want to hide his identity? This only results in more risk. Or does someone else used his identity to purchase the ticket? We don't know, maybe the Commission Report is just wrong on that. But if you want to look closer into the possibility that Hanjour and the other hijackers/pilots had doppelgänger (doubles), start here for Hanjour and here for the others. It's worth it!

Besides the passenger-list we have the recordings of the security-camera from Dulles Airport. It was first (mis-)reported that this man would be Hanjour, which he obviously isn't.

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In the Moussaoui trial it was stated that this man is Hanjour:

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(Source - TV Clip WMV)
Indeed, he does match much better than the first one. But the footage-quality is too bad to make a definite decision in either way. The more important point is: why is there no data/time-branding on the video?

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First ask yourself where you ever viewed airport security camera footage completely devoid of camera identification numbers, and without any date:time clocks. Just this single terminal at Dulles Airport has well over 100 such cameras, every one of them with an individual camera ident number and date:time clock of its own.

On-film data is essential of course, because it would be extremely difficult to track a target around the airport without these basic tools, and absolutely impossible to sort out the precise time and date of an event that occured more than two years before, which is exactly what the 9-11 Commission now claims to have done. Clever, huh?

Those 'experts' who might wish to claim that the ident numbers and date:time clocks were edited out of every single frame for extra clarity, had best forget it. I have personally examined every available frame blown up over twenty times, and there is not a trace of editing.
No matter where or when this footage was filmed, what you see is what you get. Source


Fact is, even if better footage would reveal that this man is indeed Hanjour, it would prove nothing without data/time and therefore could be dismissed as worthless. Even with a time/date-stamp, but without better footage quality, it wouldn't prove Hanjours presence. (The whole video is available here.)

And as third, we have the autopsy. And as we all know, all passengers had been identified through DNA-Examination.
At least thats what is being told, but in reality, until today none of the alleged Pentagon-hijackers has been identified. Read this from Pentagon-Research about the autopsy-report (have fixed the broken pdf-link):

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The most interesting thing about this report is the total absence of Arab names. Some people have suggested that the hijackers
were not considered "passengers". We will look at the real reason they are not there. You can view Flight 77's press release passenger manifest (the official one is restricted by the FBI) here
for comparison. Again no Arab names.

The reason there are no Arab names on the autopsy is because they were never positively identified.

"The remains of the five hijackers have been identified through a process of exclusion, as they did not match DNA samples contributed by family members of all 183 victims who died at the site.

The hijackers' remains will be turned over to the FBI and held as evidence, FBI spokesman Chris Murray said. After the investigation is concluded, the State Department will decide what is to be done with the remains." (Source for the two paragraphs above.)

"Some remains for each of the terrorists were recovered, as evidenced by five unique postmortem profiles that did not match any antemortem material provided by victims’ families. No identifiable remains for five of the victims known to have been killed in the attack were recovered." (Source - This PDF is worth reading to understand all of the other speculation that went into identifying the bodies.)

So what we have here is 5 names on the list of people who were known to be missing from the Pentagon (4 Pentagon employees and one infant from Flight 77) that had no remains left to be identified. Then we have 5 sets of remains that didn't match the post-mortem DNA samples of the family members. So therefore those remains must be the hijackers. No positive ID required. Have you noticed yet that not ONE single aspect of this entire incident is straightforward and how it should be?

So why have they not produced positive identifications for the "hijackers"? They published their names so they know who they are........right?
They should then be able to locate the family members to get DNA samples and produce a positive identification. They could still do it because according to the top statement the FBI still has the remains. But they won't. The only report American citizens get from the FBI is right here.
They didn't even confirm if the five non-matching remains were Arab.


In fact, no positive identification is NO identification. The hijackers of Flight 93 were also not positive identified but passed through the "process of elimination". "The death certificates will list each as 'John Doe'." Source

So, even that Hanjour was actually on board of Flight 77 is questionable. My conclusion is, as he never turned out to be alive after Sept. 11, that he died on that day. And when he was on Flight 77, then he died, but not as pilot. As a patsy.

Hanjour's relatives also don't think that he was on a suicide mission:

His brother said they thought that Hani liked the USA. Other familiy members also shared their doubts:

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JEDDAH, 22 September — The family of Hani Hasan Hanjour, a suspect in the Sept. 11 attack on the Pentagon in Washington, have started accepting messages of condolence in the belief that their son may have died in the airplane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Hanjour’s family has denied his involvement in the operation. “We don’t know what happened to our son on the plane. He had contacted us eight hours before the incident to inquire about our health. He was very normal,” the family told the Saudi daily Al-Watan.
(Source)


Note that here Hanjour's fore-names are stated as Hani Hasan. But the name 'Hasan' has never been given in any official account. What first looks like a mistake, seems in fact not to be one. Some media reports later also used Hani Hasan as forenames, but I have found no earlier mention than in this article, first published on arabnews (also reprinted on Sudia-Online), so this article is the source for the name 'Hasan'.

As this name never occured before, it's safe to say that the authors Jamal Khashoggi and Badr Al-Nayyef
could not have received this name other than by Hani's family itself. And it's also safe to say that Hani's parents know his name.

Indeed, on his visa-application, Hanjour stated his forenames as Hani S. H.
So H. stands for Hasan. If we look at Hanjour aliasesgiven by the FBI, we find this:

Hani Saleh Hanjour; Hani Saleh; Hani Hanjour, Hani Saleh H. Hanjour

The last one is of interest here. It seems that the FBI was unable to learn what stands behind the letter 'H'. No big deal? Maybe, but at least it gives strong indications that the FBI never felt the need to get in contact with Hanjour's family. Does this speak for a thorough investigation?


And before we finally come to the end: remember the book "Masterminds of Terror" by Nick Fielding and Yosri Fouda? In it, they claim that Atta wired thousands of dollars back to Ramzi Binalshib in Pakistan. Because Atta, who was responsible for the financing of the operation in the US, said that they didn't need it anymore because they were in the final preparation. (no source as I have the book only in german language). Besides that it is unreasonable to risk attention due to international money wires in the end phase of the preparation, and speaks against rules of conspirative procedures, there's another aspect to point out.

We began with a statement of flight-instructor Bernard, we end with an (indirect) statement of him.
As we know it's said that Hanjour visited Bernard's flight school for 'final preparation' on his suicide mission.

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"The two last spoke on the phone a few weeks before the attacks, when Hanjour complained about an $80 no-show charge." Source


Either Hanjour was not part of Atta's operation, or he believed that even the ticket to paradise has to be paid with money!

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Now this was the end of my article, but not the end of the story.

The other dead pilot - or Al-Qaida's debunking attempt

Reconsider what I wrote:

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Think of it! If they had shot Riassi first, there wouldn't have been a trial. So the U.S. wouldn't have been forced to deliver evidence. So the evidence wouldn't have turned out to be non-existant. So the official version would be until today: Raissi was a lead instructor of the hijackers...


The same could be said for pilot Kamfar, "armed with an Ak-47", or pilot Al Omari, both "abruptly moved out" a week before the attacks. Maybe their abrupt move out of the U.S. saved their lives. Imagine Raissi would have been in the United States on 9/11 and the subsequent days, after authorities claimed that they have evidence of 'active conspiracy-proving correspondence and telecommunications' against him, who was also called the 'lead-instructor' of the 9/11 hijackers. Safe to say, people have been declared as enemy combatants on much lower accusations, and as a lead instructor, Raissi would have been taken into a secret prison. But that he was in the UK enabled a trial, where his guilt or innocence could be proven instead of being tortured in secret prisons into 'confession' in a secret trial.

However, the first spin, that professional pilots crashed the planes into the buildings, could not be maintained. Of course this would have made the official version far more believable.
As it is now established that Hani Hanjour could not have crashed Flight 77 into the Pentagon, and as this realization, thanks to movies like Loose Change, spreads more and more into the masses and produces more and more dissent to the official account of events, one should not be surprised that another spin on the subject of who piloted Flight 77 would follow.

But this time the spin does not come from a government agency, but from an Al-Qaida member. Louai al-Sakka, imprisoned in Turkey for being an Al-Qaeda bomb plotter, claims that not Hanjour, but Nawaf al-Hazmi, piloted Flight 77:

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According to Sakka, Nawaf al-Hazmi was a veteran operative who went on to pilot the plane that hit the Pentagon. Although this is at odds with the official account, which says the plane was flown by another hijacker, it is plausible and might answer one of the mysteries of 9/11.

The Pentagon plane performed a complex spiral dive into its target. Yet the pilot attributed with flying the plane “could not fly at all” according to his flight instructors in America. Hazmi, on the other hand, had mixed reviews from his instructors but they did remark on how “adept” he was on his first flight. (Source)


But it does not seem that Hazmi was a better pilot than Hanjour, quite the opposite.


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Rick Garza, a flight instructor at Sorbi's, said Mr. Almihdhar spoke little English but was able to communicate that he wanted to obtain a private pilot rating, one of the lowest levels of flying competence.
Mr. Garza recalled that he discussed the general plan for the lessons, but that Mr. Almihdhar and Mr. Alhamzi interrupted him to say they wanted to learn to fly larger aircraft, specifically Boeing jets.

''They had zero training before they got here, so I told them they had to learn a lot of other things first,'' Mr. Garza said. The men took lessons and training over three weeks and paid $200 to $300, with a credit card, he said. Mr. Garza said that their aptitude for flying was poor from the start, and that it never improved.

''It was like Dumb and Dumber,'' Mr. Garza said. ''I mean, they were clueless.

It was clear to me they weren't going to make it as pilots.''
(Source)


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The two al-Qaeda suspects made their way to San Diego. Before long they both had driver's licences, and Nawaf al Hazmi was even listed in the San Diego phone book. The two men signed up for lessons at a local flight school, but they were completely lacking in natural abilities. After a few sessions their instructor, Rick Garza, told them there was just no point in continuing, "They seemed to have a very
strong interest in flying larger aircraft and that's when they brought up the subject of flying Boeings. 'Where can we learn to fly Boeings?'
I just kind of chuckled a little bit and said -'It's a long road before you get to Boeings. Several years from now, but you have to start out in a smaller aircraft. If you can't fly the little four-seat aircraft, there is no way you are going to be able to fly a Boeing.'" (Source)


The article also mentions how Sakka's claim stands also in contrast to the testimony of Sheikh Kahled Mohammed, one of the alleged masterminds of the 9/11 plot. Let's see what he has to say about al-Hazmi and Hanjour.
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Sheikh Mohammed claimed that it was his idea that al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi should reside in San Diego, CA, after arriving in Los Angeles,Ca, on January 15.2000. Sheikh Mohammed told al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi, both of whom barely spoke English, to enroll in an English-language course and then, once their English was satisfactory, to enroll in a flight school. San Diego, according to Sheikh Mohammed's research, had several English-language and flight schools.
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Sheik Mohammed discussed the preperations to deploy 9/11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar to the U.S. Before their deployment, the two were told that they were being sent to the U.S. for flight training. Sheikh Mohammed explained to them that the flight training was in preparation for their participation in a martyr operation in which aircraft would be flown into unspecified targets.(...)

Before sending Hazmi to the U.S., Sheickh Mohammed provided him with training in basic survival skills. Sheikh Mohammed's primary concern in using Hazmi for the 9/11 operation was that Hazmi's English was very weak; however, he stated that there was not much he could do in the matter, as Hazmi had an U.S.visa, which was relatively rare among the mujahidin. Sheikh Mohammed spent a significant amount of time reviewing with Hazmi the timetables of the U.S. airlines that were eventually used in the operation. (...)

Sheikh Mohammed asked a great deal of al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, in whom he had only middling confidence, because of their lack of English and exposure to the West. The only reason they were involved in the 9/11 plot was because they had visas and because Bin Laden told Sheikh Mohammed that Bin Laden wanted the two to go on operation. Because of their deficiencies, Sheikh Mohammed permitted al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, unlike the other 9/11 hijackers, to go to the local mosque to request assistance and advice on functioning in American society, and Sheikh Mohammed allowed the two, unlike the other hijackers, to contact him directly via internet chat in case they had urgent questions. (...)

Sheikh Mohammed also instructed them to enroll in English language classes before they began flight training. Hazmi and Mihdhar unsuccessfully tried to enroll in language school in California, which concerned Sheikh Mohammed. Regarding their inability to complete flight training, Sheikh Mohammed explained that, while he was surprised by this, it had no real negative effect on his operational planning. He explained that the planning for the 9/11 operation was undertaken in steps, and that the entire plan was not set from the beginning. He stated, therefore, that he simply made minor adjustments to the plan from time on.

For example, Sheikh Mohammed explained those subsequently chosen as pilots, such as Atta, Ziad Jarrah, and Marwan Al-Shehhi, had scientific and engineering backgrounds, and were, therefore, better suited for enrollment in flight school. Sheikh Mohammed addes that Hani Hanjour came to Afghanistan already having a background in flight training and that, as a result, Bin Laden sent him directly to Sheikh Mohammed for inclusion in the 9/11 project. Sheikh Mohammed stated that the early mishap with Hazmi and Midhar was a mistake in judgement on his part, based on his assumption that anyone could learn to fly with the proper training. Sheikh Mohammed decided that Hazmi would be paired with Hanjour, and based his decision on the fact that they were both from the Makkah, Saudi Arabia area, and could, therefore, be relied upon to work well together.
According to Sheikh Mohammed, Khalid al-Mihdhar, without discusssion with Sheikh Mohammed, decided to travel to Yemen to visit his family upon expiration of his U.S. visa in June 2000. Midhar was bored in the U.S., having relatively unsuccessful in fullfilling his mission and, since he had not overstayed his visa, was confident that he would be able to obtain another visa.

[Note the contrast to this statement of the same document under the headline "Deployment of Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar to the U.S.":
September 11 hijackers Nawaf al-hazmi and Khalid al Mihdar were selecetd by Bin Laden to participate in the operation. They had aqquired U.S. visa(s) on their own accord in 1999 following the martyr death of their friend Hazam in the 1998 bombing of the U.S. embassy in Nairobi, Kenya. They decided to obtain U.S. visas prior to travelling to Afghanistan to make themselves more attractive for any possible operation in the United States.]

Mihdhar stayed in Yemen with his family for approximately one month and then traveled to Afghanist and to meet with Sheikh Mohammed.
Sheikh Mohammed immediately expressed his displeasure with Mihdhar having left the U.S. without permission and that he had left Hazmi alone in the U.S. Sheikh Mohammed said he told Mihdhar that he would not likely return to the U.S. but Bin Laden interceded into the disagreement and instructed Sheikh Mohammed to allow Mihdhar to return to the U.S. to continue his work. Mihdhar also gave a general report to Sheikh Mohammed, telling him of their problem with enrolling in language schools and that they believed they were surveilled from Thailand to the U.S. Sheikh Mohammed began having doubts wether the two would be able to fulfill their mission in the U.S. (...)

Sheikh Mohammed was upset at al-Mihdhar for leaving the U.S. and was prepared to exclude al-Mihdhar from the 9/11 operation; however, Bin Laden subsequently decided to reinstate al-Mihdhar.(...)

Sheikh Mohammed met Hani Hanjour for the first time in September or October 2000, before the U.S.S.Cole bombing. Hanjour had just arrived in Afghanist and had been at the al-Faruq camp for two weeks when he was urgently directed to report to Sheikh Mohammed.
Sheikh Mohammed was in Karachi at that time and Hanjour presented a letter from Abu Hafs indicating that Hanjour was a trained pilot and should be sent to the U.S. along with the other 9/11 operatives. Sheikh Mohammed gave 2-3 days worth of training to Hanjour, including how to encode communications and apply for a visa.

[One might wonder if in the visa-apply training he also was advised to not attend the school he was admitted to...]

Hanjour was relatively easy to instruct because he already had pilot training and had already lived in the U.S. According to Sheikh Mohammed, Hanjour was one of the best-prepared operatives sent by Sheikh Mohammed to the U.S.

[Because he was one of the best-prepared, he argued about a few dollars with Bernard's flight school shortly before the attacks...]

Before Hanjour left Karachi, Sheikh Mohammed told him that he (Sheikh Mohammed) wanted Hanjour to pilot the plane that would strike the Pentagon. Sheikh Mohammed wanted the hijackers to strike the Pentagon and given that the Pentagon would be a tough target because it is not a tall building, Sheikh Mohammed figured that Hanjour would be the best qualified of the pilots. (Source - PDF)


Of course the testimony of KSM could not be portrayed as evidence, like the 9/11 Commission does. KSM was tortured, even his children were tortured, he was kept in secret prisons and had a secret trial, in which testimonies based on torture and on hearsay were accounted as evidence.
No access to him was given for lawyers, the Commissioners, relatives or any other independent people, who could have even confirmed that he is still alive. There is no evidence, like in the case of Ramzi Bin al-Shib, that KSM ever stated what he supposed to have to.

There is also no evidence that KSM and Bin al-Shib, as claimed by author Yosri Fouda in his book 'Mastermind of Terror', made any confessions to the 9/11 attacks before their capture. Fouda has to this day not produced a shred of evidence that he met them in the first place. And I bet he never will because he actually could not do so.

That being said, there's also no reason to believe that Sakka's statement bears more truth than the testimony of KSM.
If the KSM confession is true, then there is no reason to believe that Sakka could have known better than KSM about the operational details. (Of course, if KSM's testimony is not true, this creates a much bigger problem for the official version).
So what reason would Sakka have to claim to know better than operational mastermind KSM? Why would he lie or what interest would he have to try to reduce the doubts on the official account?
One reason could be his apparent connection to the CIA. (See also). Besides that, and alltogether, as a prisoner, he could easily be blackmailed or promised to get imprisonment alleviation.


But the question is not which Al-Qaeda member you prefer to believe. The question is if you believe that flight instructor Garza didn't lie when he said that they were clueless and acted like dumb and dumber.

Regarding Flight 77 it does not look really good for the official claims. If KSM's testimony is genuine, then we have here an operational mastermind who falsely thinks that Hanjour was the best of the alleged hijacker-pilots, and also falsely thinks that he was able to perform the Pentagon maneuver.

If Sakka's statement is true, then we have here an Al-Qaeda operator who falsely thinks that al-Hazmi was capable to perform the Pentagon maneuver.
Not only that we have here two operators who have not the singlest clue about the difficulty of the operation they want to accomplish and about the skills needed for that. But for Sakka to be true, this would mean that the entire official version like it is presented in the Commission report, which relies in great scale on the testimony of KSM (and Bin al-Shib), could be dismissed as unproven fairy-tale.
And that's why I'm sure the Hazmi-story will be burried and never make it into the official accounts.

They have to stick to Hani Hanjour like blow-flies have to rotten shit! I don't know which stinks more...


The official account about Flight 77 has deep conflicts, and most of the information given out to the public is not verifiable. Furthermore, a lot of the story is based on testimonies of people tortured in secret prisons. And there seem to be people lying to the public, like Kilsheimer or Ted Olsen.
A lot of evidence has yet to be provided to the public and independent investigators. From the surveillance tapes supposedly showing Flight 77's impact, up to the plane debris not accessible for investigators.

But there are parts of the story that could be verified. Hani Hanjour's fllying skills could be verified, also that the performed maneuver required advanced skills.

And this verification results in a definite conclusion: Hanjour did not pilot Flight 77.

Washington, we've got a problem here!
Edited by NK-44, Jan 30 2008, 05:44 PM.
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