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| NK-44 | Jan 21 2008, 05:21 PM |
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Hani Hanjour Reloaded This is in essential a repost from the old forum. I added some parts to the 'Maneuver'-section. More statements by pilots confirming the difficulty of the performed maneuver, and that it requires advanced skills to do so. I have added also some aspects to the section "Let's look into another aspect of the maneuver-scenario", including two new sub-sections: "Was there a fight going on?" and "The conflict of the official account with crash site observations". I also had a look into the claims made by an Al-Qaeda operator, that Hanjour wasn't piloting Flight 77. You could find this at the end of the article in the section "The other dead pilot - or Al-Qaida's debunking attempt." Changes have been made in the section about Hanjour's flying skills mainly on those two entries (and the summary): June/Juli 2001 - Caldwell Flight Academy Fairfield, New Jersey August 2001 - Congressional Air Charters Gaithersburg, Maryland If you are already convinced that Hanjour wasn't piloting Flight 77, then I highly recommed to spend your time on the second part "The special treament", in particular the sub-section "The living pilots". No changes have been made in part two besides the added section at the end. update: -added two statements of pilots claiming that Hanjour was capable to pilot Flight 77 -added under 'What evidence do we have that Hanjour was even on Flight 77?' a short section: 'Hanjour's relatives also don't think that he was on a suicide mission' ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the first part we take a look into Loose Change's claims regarding Hanjour flight skills, the maneuver of Flight 77 and the debunking of it made by Screw Loose Change. In the second part we will take a deeper look into Hanjour and his special treatment by agencies and four falsely alleged hijacker pilots. Part One Hanjour's flying skills (Source)However, when Hanjour went on three test runs in the second week of August He had trouble controlling and landing a single engine Cessna 172. Who says this? It’s not in the video. Hanjour did have a commercial instrument-rated pilot license. Had he flown a 172 before? How about a little research, guys? Anyway, I wouldn’t be surprised if takeoffs and landings were what he practiced the least on the ol’ flight simulator. Yes, Loose Change doesn't provide the source, so I do: Source " And consensus was , he was very quiet, " " average, or below average piloting skills, " " English was very poor " " so, that's about the best description I can get, give you " Now THAT was an earth-shattering inteview. A minute and 8 seconds to hear that Hanjour was a nice guy who was instrument-rated but who wasn’t a great Cessna pilot? How hurting can you be for filler? How about at least telling us that Hanjour wasn’t able to rent the Cessna? From the Greenbelt (Maryland) Gazette:
Well, to say "he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it" is an oversimplification of what actually happened. But we will go into the maneuver of Flight 77 later. And it's also important to note that Bernard didn't instruct Hanjour personally, but two of his employees have, the insturctors Baxter and Conner. But let's look at Hani Hanjour's flying skills in a chronological timeline: September 96 - Academy of Aeronautics According to Hanjour's brother, Yasser, Hanis intention to visit flight schools in the USA was because he wanted to become a pilot for the Saudi national airline. The Saudi carrier required Saudi pilots to be FAA-certified in the United States. (This, Saudi officials point out, explains why so many Saudis were in US flight schools. Since Sept. 11, the Saudi regulation has been changed.) Source After being rejected by a Saudi flight school, Hanjour returned to the United States to pursue flight training in 1996. Source
At the end of this period, Hanjour enrolls on a rigorous one-year flight training program at the renowned Sierra Academy of Aeronautics, in Oakland. However, he only attends the 30-minute orientation class, on September 8, and then never returns. CBS 5 (San Francisco), 10/10/2001San Francisco Chronicle, 10/10/2001Associated Press, 10/11/2001Associated Press, 5/10/2002 End of 96 - CRM Airline Training Center Scottsdale, Arizona
January 1998 - Arizona Aviation Mesa, Arizona In January 1998, Hanjour and his friend Bandar Al Hazmi, who are now renting an apartment together in Phoenix, Arizona, train together at Arizona Aviation flight school. Hanjour supposedly receives his commercial pilot rating while there. US Congress, 9/26/2002 This is based on a claim by the FBI, and no further informations have been provided. So as long as no further evidence for that is provided, we have to have completely trust in the account of FBI-Chief Robert Mueller. Given the case of Raissi alone (see later under 'The living pilots'), it's safe to say that everything the FBI states should at least being taken with a grain of salt. 1998 - Sawyer School of Aviation Phoenix, Arizona
April 1999 - Sunbird Flight Services Tempe, Arizona
Sunbird Flight Services residents at Chandler Municipal Airport. After he got his license,
So Hanjour went to the United States in 1999 and received his certificate, but came home and still couldn't land a job with the airline. Source In a CBC-Article, dealing with Hanjour's license, it's written that one of Hanjour's instructors, an Arab-American man, came under pressure by the FBI. He told agents that Hanjour was "a very average pilot, maybe struggling a little bit." The instructor added, "Maybe his English wasn't very good." Source But this instructor remains unkmown, also his company and the time when he trained Hanjour (it's only stated that it was before he got his license, April 15. 99). Dezember 2000 - Arizona Aviation Phoenix, Arizona
January/February 2001 - Jet Tech International Phoenix, Arizona
Jet Tech has closed in the meantime and was owned by Pan Am International Flight Academy. Early 2001 - Pan Am Intern. Flight Academy Mesa, Arizona
April 2001 - Air Fleet Trainings System Teterboro, New Jersey
June/Juli 2001 - Caldwell Flight Academy Fairfield, New Jersey
But Cooperative Research notes:
Indeed, if we look at the Commission footnote, no further information is delivered, besides that there is 'documentary evidence' that he was in Jersey 'most of June'. Here's the full footnote (No.135):
That Hanjour together with Raissi joined the Simulator CLub is an outraged lie, as we will later learn in the section 'The living pilots'. It proves that the FBI isn't a reliable source. Further note, this is the first time since April 1999, when Hanjour was certified as an "Airplane Multi-Engine Land/Commercial Pilot" on April 15, 1999, by Daryl Strong, that there's no negative comment by instructors about his flying skills. There is no comment at all. If you follow the timeline of Hanjour's flying lessons closely, you will note that all (the few) positive references, besides Daryl Strong remembering 'nothing remarkable', are based not on comments by instructors or based on comments by anonymous instructors. And when the Commission states that there is 'documentary evidence' that he was 'most of June' in Jersey, does this in reverse mean that there is no documentary evidence for his flight at Cardwell in July? Is there in fact any positive confirmation that Hanjour did in June and July what he supossedly had done, other than vague informations given by the FBI and a vague statement by the flight school's owner? I'm not aware that the public has seen any. During the time in June and July, when Hanjour supposedly rented aircraft from Caldwell Flight Academy, he also failed a night-flight test:
Unfortunately, the document provides no further information about his failed night-flight test. August 2001 - Freeway Aviation Bowie, Maryland
August 2001 - Congressional Air Charters Gaithersburg, Maryland According to a footnote in the 9/11 Commission Report, some time in August 2001 Hanjour successfully conducts “a challenging certification flight supervised by an instructor at Congressional Air Charters of Gaithersburg, Maryland, landing at a small airport with a difficult approach.” The instructor thinks that “Hanjour may have had training from a military pilot because he used a terrain recognition system for navigation.” 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 248 and 531 Cooperative Research states that
According to the 'Chronology of Events for Hijackers, 8/16/01 - 9/11/01, Hani Hanjour' from the Moussaoui-Trial, Hanjour took this lesson on the 20th of August at 15.00h and paid in cash.
The Commission-Report's statement contradicts all others and quotes an anonymous instructor who thinks that Hanjour had "training from a military pilot". As there's no way that Hanjour could have improved his skills in a few days more than in five years before, there are only two possibilities: this story is complete fraud, or it is true, but then the instructor is obviously not talking about the same person. A third possibility comes to mind when looking at this stipulation-document (PDF) from the Moussaoui-trial:
Here's the talk of a check flight, which due to insurance demands everyone renting an aircraft has to make, not of a challenging certification flight. Why does the Commission exaggerates Hanjour's flying skills with such misleading expressions? So according to the document from the Moussaoui-trial, Hanjour was able to pass an ordinary, non-challenging check flight, which he only three days before failed to pass when trying in Bernard's flight school. Either Hanjour improved his skills a lot in three days, or Congressional Air Charters has not the same standards and demands on people renting their aircraft. Fact remains that the flight instructor attesting Hanjour to have had training by military pilots, remains anonymous. Unlike all those instructors attesting him to have no flight skills at all. And when reporters called the company, no information was given out, the man on the phone even declined to tell his name. It should also be noted, that the claim in the stipulation-document regarding renting aircraft on August 26 and 28, is not accurate. According to the Hanjour-chronology from the Moussaoui-trial, Hanjour took a flight lesson on August 20 and paid it in cash (109, 80$) This was the flight lesson the Commission exaggerated to a challenging flight, and the stipulation-document just referred to as check flight. From the entry on August 26 in the chronology we can conclude that Hanjour passed the test, as the entry states that he rented an aircraft, not that he took a lesson. No amount of costs are provided. But uinlike the stipulation-document states that Hanjour rented also aircraft on August 28, the chronology states that Hanjour took again a flight lesson, costing him 111,71$. It seems that Hanjour, just two weeks prior to the attacks, still felt more comfortable with an instructor by his side. Or did the instructor think that Hanjour still could not fly alone after his challenging flight with difficult approach? Summed up: September 1996 Aeronautic Academy: He attended a 30-minute class on Sept. 8 and never came back. End of 1996 CRM: skills were poor - barely knew how to fly. - wasn't much of a pilot. - pain in the rear - not serious about becoming a good pilot - a pretty weak student - wasting our resources - he was not capable January 1998 Arizona Aviation: according to FBI-Chief Mueller supposedly receives his commercial pilot rating while being there - no other evidence corroborates this 1998 Saywer School: only the barest understanding what the instruments were there to do - got overwhelmed with the instruments. before April 1999 Anonymous instructor/flight school - very average pilot, maybe struggling a little bit April 1999 Sunbird Flight Service - nothing remarkable Dezember 2000 Arizona Aviation: instructor advised him to discontinue January/February 2001 Jet Tech: a very bad pilot. - He could not fly at all.-express concern to Federal Aviation Administration - not qualify for an advanced certificate - flying skills were so bad...they didn't think he should keep his pilot's license. " I couldn't believe he had a commercial license of any kind with the skills that he had. Early 2001 Pan Am International: An instructor there found his work well below standard and discouraged him from continuing. April 2001 Air Fleet Trainings: poor piloting skills. June/Juli 2001 Caldwell: rented aircraft - no comments by instructors on his skills exist - no public available evidence like confirmation by instructors, school's owner, etc. that he attented there - during the same time he failed night-flight test August 2001 Freeway Aviation: incompetent to fly alone - could not handle basic air maneuvers - was not ready to rent a plane by himself. - unable to fly solo - instructors were surprised he was not able to fly better with the amount of experience August 01 Congressional Air Charters: a challenging certification flight with a difficult approach, like stated by the 9/11 Commission became an ordinary check flight during the Moussaoui-trial - though he passed the check-flight, he took a flight lesson again a week later - anonymous instructor attested training from a military pilot in the same exaggerated account provided by the Commission - still in question that he has ever been there - the company no longer gives flight lessons and employees decline to even give their name So if we take Bernard's 'average, low-average' as a 'neutral' reference point, than we have only three instructors certifying Hanjour better skills. An anonymous instructor from an anonymous flight school (see April 1999), an anonymous instructor from Congressional Air Charters (a company which no longer gives flight instructions), who thought Hanjour had been trained by a military pilot (see August 2001), and Daryl Strong, who signed Hanjours multi-engine license and is a private contractor to the FAA, and remembered nothing remarkable. A FAA spokesman said:
This may explain very well why Strong "remembered nothing remarkable". On the other side we have testimonies from seven different flight-schools certifying Hanjour's low-average/poor flight skills. Besides flying an airplane, Hanjour wasn't even competent enough to pass a driving test.
Despite of all the reports of Hanjour's weak piloting skills, the Commission-Report concludes:
and states that 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed assigned the Pentagon target specifically to Hanjour because he was “the operation’s most experienced pilot.” 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 530 If he was the best, how worse the others had to be! But the Commission-Report is wrong, at least Mohamed Atta (Flight 11) had better skills than Hanjour. Edited by NK-44, Jan 30 2008, 05:46 PM.
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