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Danny Jowenko, Controlled Demolitions Expert from the Netherlands http://www.jowenko.com/ Sample http://www.jowenko.com/index.php/1,17,1%5E1,1,52,0,0# Jowenko WTC7 Demolition Interviews, 1 of 3 from Dutch news program "Zembia Investigates 9/11 Theories (2006) http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=k3DRhwRN06I Transcript from subtitles with some obvious spelling & typo translation errors corrected. INTERVIEWER: What you see at the WTC, these are pictures of building #7. Let's take this and look what we see. Do you see a fire above somewhere?  [They both watch the WTC7 collapse from the Loose Change documentary. Skeptics like to point out that Jowenko was misled because he wasn't shown the collapse of the WTC7 east penthouse which collapsed a few seconds before global collapse initiation was observed. On February 22, 2007 in a phone interview when asked about rumors that he had changed his mind about his earlier opinion that WTC7 was a controlled demolition, Danny said; "I've looked at the drawings, at the construction, and it couldn't have been done by fire...so no, absolutely not..." In addition, we know from the TV interview that Danny examined this diagram from the NIST June 2004 Preliminary Report on WTC7.]  DANNY JOWENKO: I see smoke however. Yeah, you always get dust, nothing has been removed from it? Does the top go first? No, the bottom. INTERVIEWER: It starts on the bottom. DANNY JOWENKO: They simply blew up columns and the rest caved in afterwards. INTERVIEWER: Did this fall in a different way than the WTC? DANNY JOWENKO: Don't you agree?  INTERVIEWER: Yes, you see the bottom floors go first. DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, the rest implodes. This is controlled demolition.  INTERVIEWER: Your sure? DANNY JOWENKO: Absolutely, it's been imploded. This was a hired job. A team of experts did this. INTERVIEWER: But it also happened on September 11th. DANNY JOWENKO: The same day???  INTERVIEWER: The same day. DANNY JOWENKO: The same day??? ..... Are you sure?????  INTERVIEWER: Yes. [long pause]  INTERVIEWER: There it goes again. [watch the WTC7 collapse again] DANNY JOWENKO: I remember that they told they've imploded it, it smoked for days, there was already much smoke gone. Are you sure it was the 11th??? That can't be.  INTERVIEWER: Seven hours after the World Trade Center came down. DANNY JOWENKO: Then they worked hard. I don't know the construction of the building but then they very rigorously, very quickly placed charges. They had the piece of luck that since there was already very much destroyed in the environment that you don't have to be precise. You can imagine if there are all buildings surrounded that are intact and should stay intact with sensitive computer equipment, then you have to prepare very precisely your weakenings etc. But it looks like it was that clean. INTERVIEWER: Ok, that can be but...[Danny interrupts] DANNY JOWENKO: I mean, I mean maybe that they then indeed used packet(?) charges instead off all the cutting torch work plus applying a linear cutter charge. Simply rigorously because it was a mess already. No cutting torch work but only some charges? INTERVIEWER: Simply placing charges and really fast. DANNY JOWENKO: The situation was completely polluted in the environment. [Interviewer shows Danny a layout drawing of the structural columns for WTC7] INTERVIEWER: Globally now, assume you're instructed to do this, this is the map of that building. DANNY JOWENKO: From number seven? INTERVIEWER: That is number seven. These are the carrying steel columns.  DANNY JOWENKO: That is not really much. INTERVIEWER: No, that is not really much. DANNY JOWENKO: That explains quite a lot. INTERVIEWER: What does it explain? DANNY JOWENKO: That you can do it fast. INTERVIEWER: You can blow it up fast? DANNY JOWENKO: That you can do it fast. Look, I don't know the height of the floors. Let me put that first. But maybe they placed more floors in the middle, but in principle per column you only...uh You could even do this with cutting torches and cutter charges. INTERVIEWER: But which columns do you have to blow up to let it collapse as cleanly as we've seen? [Danny points at area of drawing] DANNY JOWENKO: This heart. INTERVIEWER: This heart? These twelve? DANNY JOWENKO: Although I've seen a picture on internet, seen from above, it was not really clean, at the sides there were walls 13-14 floors high still standing. INTERVIEWER: No, it was very clean. DANNY JOWENKO: I can show you that on internet, I don't know which movie it was but it wasn't lying on a heap very nice. Look, it was shortened compared to the 47th. [Interviewer shows Danny a NIST Report photograph of WTC7 heaped ruins] INTERVIEWER: This is the heap. Look, this is what I mean, that's a lot. [runs finger up and down the side of the Verizon Building] But you can walk around it. So clean that you can walk around it. INTERVIEWER: [unintelligible] DANNY JOWENKO: But this is still standing, this is what I mean. You show me exactly the picture that I mean. [Danny is indicating the Verizon Building on the west side of the WTC7 ruins] INTERVIEWER: But this is a different building. DANNY JOWENKO: Is that a different building? INTERVIEWER: That is the building next to it. DANNY JOWENKO: Then they've demolished that later also? Debris is adjacent [next to] I would say. INTERVIEWER: As far as I know this hasn't been demolished. DANNY JOWENKO: And this building... [Danny points to right hand side of photograph..to the U.S. Post Office] Photo from from NIST June 2004 Preliminary Report Appendix L  [Another view of the site around WTC7 after it's collapse.]  INTERVIEWER: I'm not sure but this is building seven. This doesn't belong to it; this is the 4-zone building. DANNY JOWENKO: Let's look, how do I have to see that? Is this an other building? INTERVIEWER: Yes. [very long pause] DANNY JOWENKO: I wish there were more pictures of this. INTERVIEWER: There are some aerial photographs but everywhere you clear see that only building seven collapsed cleanly with the outside walls going inside. DANNY JOWENKO: But you do that to..., here you start with your first times and then it travels to the outside in order to get the walls going to the inside etc. [Danny is pointing to the column layout diagram]. DANNY JOWENKO: A charge in an H-beam, let's say they were H-profiles. You only have to burn 2 holes, in the middle a cutter charge, two skew and you do that again below, a pressure charge against it, a piece of wood with a pressure charge, you connect it and boom, it is gone. It is... we also do that, we also topple steel-construction or implode it. INTERVIEWER: How long would it take for you for this building to... DANNY JOWENKO: If you are coming there with sufficient people and mark the places where the cutting torch guys have to do something... A cutter charge against it with a piece of duct tape, is no-time, a no-time job. A minute per charge, less, a half minute. You have to place all pipes and place all wires. It might have been worse, everyone knows his task. INTERVIEWER: How many men and how much time do you need to do that? DANNY JOWENKO: I'm not sure. INTERVIEWER: Make an estimation. DANNY JOWENKO: You need experienced people but if you had thirty or forty men... A few with cutting torch, others clearing the walls... Others hooking up the det cord and boosters. That all has to be coordinated and another hooks up the electronic systems, and then he goes. INTERVIEWER: Could this building spontaneously collapse for example because these columns are damaged in this way? DANNY JOWENKO: No, I don't believe that. No, I don't believe that. But I have absolutely no single picture of the side of those big towers to building number seven. INTERVIEWER: Look, I've also looked at that as a hypothesis; this is the damage in the whole area, ground zero. [shows Danny a drawing of Ground Zero damage zones]  DANNY JOWENKO: But how far were those buildings away? INTERVIEWER: Building #7 was the farthest building. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=sep-HDZoEBM&feature=related Jowenko WTC7 Demolition Interviews, 2 of 3 DANNY JOWENKO: But how much distance are we talking about? INTERVIEWER: I don't know that exactly but they calculated that this is the area were all steel columns have fallen. DANNY JOWENKO: This is only small debris. But it [WTC7] had been damaged? INTERVIEWER: It has been damaged decently. DANNY JOWENKO: If this is 63 meter and the building is 415 than you can understand that it theoretically hits decently. INTERVIEWER: But that has been confirmed, that building [WTC7] was damaged, not as serious as this building, this building, this building [interviewer is referring to WTC buildings 5 & 6 etc.] certainly not as serious as this building but it was slightly damaged at the outer side. A few columns were surely... DANNY JOWENKO: Then it's the choice of the owner of the building, we fix it or...away with it. INTERVIEWER: But isn't it that if the outer columns, you have three of them here, that it then... would collapse that clean? DANNY JOWENKO: [Studying the WTC7 structural column layout diagram] Again I see that same principle that from the outside...and then complete parts nothing and then inside there are relatively a few columns. INTERVIEWER: That's correct, yes. DANNY JOWENKO: It strikes me that, that could be a reason for Silverstone or stein... The owner. The owner of the building that he says: Look, this will cost me a lot of pennies and what do I get back, still the same old building. And on such a moment I think that Giuliani easily would give a license to demolish, here you are if you want to get rid of it, asap. INTERVIEWER: Ok, but it could not be by fire? That it was on fire and that the building... No From NIST June 2004 WTC7 Preliminary Report  DANNY JOWENKO: Well, maybe that some... that burning parts fly away so far, I don't believe that. But I don't know, it's guessing for me. INTERVIEWER: Yes, on the pictures we've seen you could see clearly... DANNY JOWENKO: This is work of man. INTERVIEWER: This is work of man? DANNY JOWENKO: This is, this is with... INTERVIEWER: Thus we need no discussion about that... DANNY JOWENKO: No, this is also a hired...sir [Silverstein] said it himself, you hear him saying [Danny casually tosses arm] "pull it down", away with it. INTERVIEWER: Look, here for example you see plums of smoke; the special thing is it rises upwards. [long pause, Danny slowly turns head and looks at interviewer with a hint of amusement in his expression]  DANNY JOWENKO: What do you want to say with that, smoke always rises upwards. [finishes with a smile] INTERVIEWER: No in the WTC Twin Towers you saw plums of smoke at the sides of the building. DANNY JOWENKO: Those are pressed out. INTERVIEWER: You saw it from top to down; here you see the reverse thing. It starts at the bottom and goes up. DANNY JOWENKO: These [re: WTC7] are the explosive charges, they damage the structures and at the WTC Twin Towers the mass says: I can't hold you, I can't hold you and it pulverizes the cement from it. INTERVIEWER: What we see here are explosive charges? DANNY JOWENKO: No probably they were not that high, maybe...is this seven? INTERVIEWER: Yes. DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, could be. INTERVIEWER: [not translated] DANNY JOWENKO: But then it's more work than a few hours with 30 men. INTERVIEWER: You don't know whether they are explosive charges, it could be the same effect as in the WTC Twin Towers. DANNY JOWENKO: If all supporting columns are knocked away and we see it here on the corner beams then, [Danny is pointing to locations on the WTC7 structural columns layout diagram] than those also say I can't hold you and you get more or less the same effect. That they break and that then also the bolt connections break. No I don't believe that those are explosive charges [re: WTC Twin Towers]. INTERVIEWER: Ok. Ok. DANNY JOWENKO: But that is also not needed, the outside needs not to be imploded. INTERVIEWER: Here we have it again. [watching LC WTC7 collapse video on laptop] DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, it starts on the bottom; at the outside no implosion is needed. INTERVIEWER: Ok, this has bursted from the bottom. DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, it could be that in the middle sections several levels have imploded to get sufficient fall-speed, that could be. But I don't have to tell those guys how to do that, they do this kind of work the whole day. They for sure know how to handle such a building. INTERVIEWER: Ok, but if you place bursting-charges at the higher floors one needs more time. DANNY JOWENKO: Then you need more time, but they did it very well, but maybe there were large fo(?) I don't know what, I don't know the building. Some locations are missing, 2 or 3 floors. I don't know the building. But in principle it is a very short time. INTERVIEWER: [not translated] DANNY JOWENKO: It is possible, if something must, people can do much. If you have the right teams on the right location. INTERVIEWER:The strange thing about this story is that the official report, made by FEMA, they have investigated how this building could have imploded. They say, it appears the collapse was due to, primarily to fire rather than any impact damage from the collapsing towers. They don't mention explosives at all. Because according to the official report it hasn't been pulled down by explosives. [Danny pauses long, slowly forming a wry non-responsive smile] DANNY JOWENKO: I don't know than that it has been imploded as we call it. I think this is obviously a building that has been imploded. If this is the consequence of the coming down of the WTC towers... that would greatly astonish me. I can't imagine it. No. INTERVIEWER: Remains strange that in the official reports they don't admit it's been imploded. DANNY JOWENKO: That's strange. That's strange. I also think that's strange. I have no explanation for it. INTERVIEWER: What I sometimes think, has it maybe to do with insurance? DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, that can also be. Look if that man (NYFD Commander on site at WTC7] is bribed by Silverstone because he wants his payment... and here you also have a nice percentage then he writes that simply down. This is how America is tied together. That makes September 11th very hard. INTERVIEWER: That means that you also cannot trust government reports. DANNY JOWENKO: Then it becomes very difficult. But, yes I didn't follow them those government reports, but I've seen a part about those military planes that all flew the other direction, that NORAD was all the way confused. Such a guy doesn't fly over the ocean while he needs to fly the other direction. But they are not sent to the other direction wittingly, it was one big muddle. This was an enormous psychological slap... http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=boNzLZInbjU&feature=related Jowenko WTC7 Demolition Interviews, 3 of 3 [Danny watches LC WTC7 collapse video again] INTERVIEWER: Look, it is simple like this? If you see the bottom going first bursting-charges are involved? DANNY JOWENKO: Again, you clearly see, those other things start at the top and you see the outer walls being pressed outwardly because the middle-core sags down. There the bolt connections break etc. etc. It goes and the rest is, as the energy comes it comes and it presses it away. INTERVIEWER: And this building, to avoid that other buildings collapse, in my opinion you have to implode it on more levels than only the bottom floor? You can not take that risk then? There were buildings near. DANNY JOWENKO: Uh, right, there are several ways to... [Danny is studying the structural column layout diagram for WTC7] you can for example also only cut/burn the columns on higher levels. That's what they also do. Then they stand loose on top of each other. Yes, you assail me also with this now, if you think a little bit longer about it, how do you have to collapse such a building as fast as possible... and you bring down the columns only on the bottom floor and weakens them, you can cut them funnel-shaped, a column then cannot go to the left or to the right, it remains standing but they are loose. If it then goes you get the effect, they don't need to apply cutter charges everywhere. INTERVIEWER: But what you say not takes more than 7 hours? DANNY JOWENKO: I don't know, you maybe will need 20 guys with a cutting torch. They have such a column within 15 minutes in such a V-form. Let them do 4 floors then with so many people. Everything then is loose as... all possible. It is all possible. I'm convinced. INTERVIEWER: This was the picture and movie thing. I don't know if I have other nice things to show, what more do I have. This has collapsed but the other building has imploded and on such a clean way that you have to ask yourself how could they do that in the chaos of that day. There was fire everywhere, and also in that building. DANNY JOWENKO: But that was a small fire, they could extinguish that and that was what they've done. INTERVIEWER: No they didn't do that. DANNY JOWENKO: They didn't extinguish it? INTERVIEWER: No, not extinguished. So they'd have to do it while it was on fire. DANNY JOWENKO: For me it is a little bit like "watching coffee dregs", I mean, that is not a lot of information, if we had some pictures from the other side, especially those at the side of the twin towers. INTERVIEWER: That's correct, we don't have that, there has only been created a kind of damage report. Here, it's a little bit guesswork/performed on intuition, using testimonies of firemen. They've seen that there was a damage here that probably went as far as here, it could be that also these 3 columns have been damaged, these 5 and these 2. DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, then Silverstein must say bring it down because once there is fire, if it became hot you have to replace your steel. Do you know what it cost if you have to replace the bottom columns and jack up the rest? That will not be cheap for a building with 47 floors. INTERVIEWER: [not translated] DANNY JOWENKO: Then you say: away with it. And if there is a company, you so much million, we do it for 1 million. That's how it goes. Business goes very fast in such a situation. And they do it. INTERVIEWER: But it remains that it happened in secret. DANNY JOWENKO: I'm sure that I've heard in the journal that it's been imploded, that buildings were weakened. INTERVIEWER: Then it should be here in the official report, and then the whole research should not be needed. DANNY JOWENKO: You should replay those journals from 9/11, could you not somewhere at the NOS...? INTERVIEWER: I'll try that, I'll check it. But it is undeniably true that the official government report dedicated a whole research to this building and said: maybe it could be due to fire and maybe not, we are not really sure. That's the conclusion of the report. DANNY JOWENKO: Take that building of Timothy McVeigh, half of it was gone, they also had to implode it, half of it was gone. INTERVIEWER: That was also why I have the picture of this building... that is WTC3, it sustained the full load of all supporting beams of the two buildings at that side and it is still standing. There is a hole but it still stands. That's what I mean. DANNY JOWENKO: A little bit strange huh? INTERVIEWER: So we don't get all the answers. DANNY JOWENKO: You expected to get them all? INTERVIEWER: Yes, I hoped. DANNY JOWENKO: I said to you before that I knew nothing about WTC7. I can only say that, if only this is... [Danny motions to the structural column layout diagram for WTC7] On this the building will stand. Guaranteed. Guaranteed. INTERVIEWER: Okay lets do some things from this corner. [Interviewer shows Danny a diagram illustrating WTC7 structural columns, key trusses, impact damage and collapse progression] INTERVIEWER: Can you point to this with your finger. DANNY JOWENKO: Interesting. Were there people in? WOMAN ASSISTANT: No it was evacuated. DANNY JOWENKO: Completely evacuated, that is of course an important point. WOMAN ASSISTANT: [not translated] DANNY JOWENKO: Yes, that's why it is logical that it is imploded, it was evacuated. INTERVIEWER: Exactly. DANNY JOWENKO: [studying diagram illustrating WTC7 structural columns, key trusses, impact damage and collapse progression] Yes and there were several penthouses, huge huge floor areas. But why did they lie about it? That has probably to do with money I think. INTERVIEWER: But can a millionaire get a government so crazy that they write a false report for the insurance? That is in fact what that means. It is a government report lying over there. DANNY JOWENKO: I think that there are so many concerned parties that played a role in that whole area there. Mr. So and So puts his money in development, re-development, reconstruction. Maybe he say, I'll join for that percentage, It can be everything. That was such a hectic time, in an hour decisions are made that normally would take five years. But he got all the luck, nothing asbestos free, Bush came days later not for nothing, after the measurements said ok. I mean they don't have a king or queen there. Do you think that [Queen] Beatrix would stand on that debris immediately? Asbestos free, cadmium free, all those heavy metals... If that a little bit..then she may come, not earlier. That's the same with Bush, but he is and was... INTERVIEWER: Normally when you implode such a building it takes you weeks and months to remove the asbestos. DANNY JOWENKO: In Paris one recent collapse, it took 10 months of pre-demolition, cleaning. Our insurance policy states that we can implode only after there is an asbestos free certificate. The measurements should indicate that there is nothing left, because otherwise we are not allowed to implode. But that didn't play a part here, everything was already totally spoiled. In the course of years more people shall die. Yes, the first firemen that dies by asbestos cancer are buried already. INTERVIEWER: That's what I mean. End of part 3. Transcript 02/22/07 Danny Jowenko Phone Conversation re WTC7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QajDxF9uEf4 DANNY JOWENKO: Danny Jowenko... INTERVIEWER JEFF: Hi is Danny there? DANNY JOWENKO: Yes it's me... INTERVIEWER JEFF: Hi...my name is Jeff...I'm calling you from Canada... DANNY JOWENKO: Hello? INTERVIEWER JEFF: Hi...I was just wondering real quickly...I know you had commented on World Trade Center 7 before... DANNY JOWENKO: Yes that's right... INTERVIEWER JEFF: And...uh...I've come to my conclusions too that it couldn't have come down by fire... DANNY JOWENKO: No it...absolutely not... INTERVIEWER JEFF: Uh...are you still sticking by your comments where you say it must, it must have been a controlled demolition? DANNY JOWENKO: Absolutely... INTERVIEWER JEFF: Yes...and do...so, you as being a controlled demolitions expert, you've looked at the building, you've looked at the video...and you've determined with your expertise that... DANNY JOWENKO: I've looked at the drawings, at the construction, and it couldn't have been done by fire...so no, absolutely not... INTERVIEWER JEFF: Okay, uh, I was reading on the internet people were asking about you and they said I wonder, I heard something that Danny Jowenko retracted his statement what he said earlier about World Trade Center 7 now saying that it came down by fire...and I said there's no way that's true... DANNY JOWENKO: No,no,no...absolutely not... INTERVIEWER JEFF: Cause if anybody was real...if anybody...like when I've called controlled demolitions here in North America... DANNY JOWENKO: Yes... INTERVIEWER JEFF: They tell me that oh it's possible it came down from fire and this and that and stuff like that... DANNY JOWENKO: Lis...listen, uh, uh, when the FEMA makes a report that it came down from fire and you have to earn your money in the states as a controlled demolition company...and you say no it was a controlled demolition...you're, you're gone, you know? INTERVIEWER JEFF: Yeah, yeah, exactly, you'll be in a lot of trouble if you say that, right? DANNY JOWENKO: Of course, of course, uh, uh, it's the end of your, your...it's the end of the story. INTERVIEWER JEFF: Yeah...cause I was, I was calling demolitions companies just to ask them if they used the term pull it in demolition terms and even Controlled Demolitions Incorporated said they did, but the other people wouldn't...didn't want to talk to me about building 7 really...obviously because they know what happened and they didn't want to say it, right? DANNY JOWENKO: Exactly... INTERVIEWER JEFF: Okay, I'm very sorry for bothering you and thank you very much for your time sir... DANNY JOWENKO: Okay, that's okay INTERVIEWER JEFF: Okay, thank you very much and have a good day. DANNY JOWENKO: Okay, thank you, bye-bye. INTERVIEWER JEFF: Bye-bye. MM Edited by Miragememories, Mar 6 2008, 08:18 AM.
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