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Woody Box Apr 7 2009, 02:31 PM

Domenick DiMaggio
Apr 6 2009, 03:03 AM
kudos to the amazing research of woody box for the following....

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Thanks for your research and all the time and money you have invested, Domenick.

I can contribute a radio snippet between Cleveland Center and NEADS:



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10:08:32 Cleveland Center: All I know is UAL93 has a confirmed bomb on board

10:09:01 NEADS: Was that confirmed by the pilot?

10:09:08 Cleveland Center: It was confirmed on the frequency

10:09:19 NEADS: Do you have his Mode 3 or last known mode 3?

10:09:39 Cleveland Center: His last Mode was 1527, and I have the latlongs...three niner five one north..zero seven eight four six west..can you scramble on it?





Source (scroll down to page 8)

39.51 North, 78.46 West - these are the last known position coordinates of UAL93 as observed by Cleveland Center.

This point is about ten miles southeast of Indian Lake.

It looks like Cleveland Center confirms Domenick's finds.

Hi Domenick :cheers:

I don't know how I was able to miss this thread and only detected it on DU a few days ago.

Magnificent work, and thanks for contacting all these people. Finally the jigsaw pieces come together.

My kudos go to http://911workinggroup.org with their files - internal FAA or 911Commission papers released via FOIA. Most of the files are redundant, but some of them carry really hot information, like the one you quoted.

In my "private library" I found another jigsaw piece:

At this same time ((about 10 o'clock)), Herndon Command Center advised FAA headquarters that "United ninety three was spotted by a VFR at eight thousand feet, eleven, eleven miles south of Indianhead, just north of Cumberland, Maryland.

http://www.archives.gov/legislative/research/9-11/staff-report-sept2005.pdf, p.45

The geographical data are a little bit confusing here. "Just north of Cumberland" fits very well to the 39.51N,78.46W position, but where is Indianhead, PA?
At the first look, the only possibility seems to be "Indianhead VORTAC", a navigation aid for airliners, located near Seven Springs 7 miles west of Somerset:

http://www.fltplan.com/nav/IHD.htm

This would put UA93 about 13 miles southwest of Somerset and about 20 miles southwest of Indian Lake, but this point is too odd to be correct, and it's definitely not "just north of Cumberland, Maryland".

I believe therefore that the controller (or someone else) who received the message misheard the pilot of the plane. If we take "Indian Lake" instead of "Indianhead", the data begin to make sense: 11 miles south of Indian Lake/just north of Cumberland - this fits together and is very close to 39.51N,78.46W.

It's difficult to re-interpet an obviously erroneous message, but does someone have a better idea how "Indianhead" has to be interpreted?








Edited by Woody Box, Apr 7 2009, 02:43 PM.
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