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espresso
Mar 26 2009, 02:42 PM
It wasn't a rant. I'm just showing that perspective issues ALWAYS exist.

That is a fallacious sweeping generalized statement that has nothing to do with the very specific issue being discussed.

This further demonstrates your intellectual dishonesty.

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Corroboration: to support with evidence or authority : make more certain

Corroboration can make their claims more credible, but it cannot eliminate the possibility of them being wrong.


That is ANOTHER sweeping generalized fallacious claim further demonstrating your intellectual dishonestly.

Of course they can be wrong about something else but corroboration most certainly IS a validation process that most certainly can be proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

That is what we provide.

Your continued doubt after this very specific and very simple right or left claim has been scientifically and irrefutably verified 13 times over is not reasonable.

It is based on nothing but your cult like faith in what you were told by the media and govt.



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No, it's simple science. If everyone North of the citgo says NOC, and everyone south of the citgo says SOC, then we have some pretty strong evidence of a perspective issue.


This is further proof that you are a liar.

NOBODY SAYS THE PLANE WAS SOC FROM ANY PERSPECTIVE YOU LIAR.

Furthermore it could be argued that Edward, Terry Morin, and Levi Stephens were all south of the citgo while Lagasse, Brooks, and Turcios were on the station's property.

So that's 6 out of 13 witnesses who were NOT north of the citgo yet they all perfectly corroborate a north side approach.

Liar.


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Levi didn't post that. Where is the quote/interview?


Post?

What are you talking about? Levi is not a member of this forum.

We validated it with him directly and we quoted him in our published article.

If you don't believe us take it up with Levi yourself and prove us wrong liar.

So far not a single claim we have made about ANY of the witnesses has been proven false.

Everything we report is 100% verifiable with the witnesses direct.

If you can't provide evidence we lied and refuse to bother verifying our report with the witness then you do not have any room to make accusations.

Even though you have shown yourself to be an intellectually dishonest liar.

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Probably because, as you stated: "there simply isn't a place south of the citgo that allows for a good full view of EITHER flight path up to the alleged impact point". Add to that the additional fact that anyone who couldn't see the citgo station isn't going to use it as a point of reference.


So you have no valid point and no evidence.

Just pure unadulterated cult-like faith in what you were told by the media and govt.

Plus we already know that 6 out of the 13 north side approach witnesses were NOT north of the citgo yet they all unanimously support a north side approach.




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I never said they were.


Great then you are conceding that you have no relevant point and that you have ZERO evidence to support your cult like faith in the official story.



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Try to understand the difference between claims and proof, noting that something is not true simply because these people agree that it is.


Of course they can be wrong about something else but corroboration most certainly IS a validation process that most certainly can be proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

That is what we provide.

Your continued doubt after this very specific and very simple right or left claim has been scientifically and irrefutably verified 13 times over is not reasonable.

It is based on nothing but your cult like faith in what you were told by the media and govt.




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If that's true, provide proof that no perspective issues exist for these eyewitnesses.


I swear you must be learning disabled.

If you are trying to judge the location of an airborne object in relation to a landmark removed from your location there can be perspective issues.

If you are trying to judge the location of an airborne object in relation to your own location the perception issue is removed.

It's that simple.

For instance.....I do not believe it would be possible for someone on 395 to mistake the plane as being on the complete other side of the highway, or over Crystal City.

Get it yet?

If you personally talked to 13 witnesses who were on 395 and they all place the plane north of the highway....would you still doubt them?





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? It doesn't take "faith" to know that people can be wrong and can make mistakes. That's what I'm saying. Your "faith" in these eyewitnesses apparently makes them immune to perspective issues and immune to making mistakes so long as they agree.


No you are creating perception issues when there are none.

We know they are correct because their claim has been unanimously and scientifically validated which equals proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Just like if you had spoken with 13 witnesses on 395 and they all unanimously place the plane to their left or towards the citgo.

Would you accept it as proof beyond a reasonable doubt of what side of the highway the plane was on?




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It has nothing to do with the government or the media. I'm not saying "you're wrong because they're right". I'm saying that you are wrong because your theory requires no possibility of error on the flightpath claims.


That is a fallacious sweeping generalized statement that has nothing to do with the very specific issue being discussed.

This has nothing to do with a flight path or about any witness being 100% correct about everything they say.

It has to do with where the plane was in relation to the citgo station.

Period.

It is impossible for them all to be simultaneously mistaken in the exact same way about this specific claim just like it would be impossible for there to be 13 independent witnesses on the highway who place the plane on the complete opposite side or over Crystal City.



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The only faulty logic here is your claim that the witnesses were immune to perspective issues and that their agreement eliminates the possibility of them being wrong.


I never made that claim liar.

That is a fallacious sweeping generalized statement that has nothing to do with the very specific issue being discussed.

I claim that they are immune to perspective issues regarding where the plane flew in relation to where they were standing.

Just like the people on 395 are immune to perspective issues concerning what side of the highway the plane flew.

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