- Craig Ranke CIT
- Mar 26 2009, 01:05 PM
- espresso
- Mar 26 2009, 12:37 PM
It doesn't matter where they were standing. Any time we're dealing with humans, there is no way to eliminate all perspective issues because each person's uniqueness plays into their perspective on the event. 10 people can view the same thing and each one of them can remember things differently due to their own personal perspective. There is no way to eliminate that variable when dealing with human beings.
Yeah SO?? Your sweeping generalized irrelevant rant has NOTHING to do with this evidence where they all remember this one simple and critical detail THE SAME.
It wasn't a rant. I'm just showing that perspective issues ALWAYS exist.
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Corroboration is the society accepted scientific process used to validate eyewitness accounts.
Corroboration: to support with evidence or authority : make more certain
Corroboration can make their claims more credible, but it cannot eliminate the possibility of them being wrong.
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He was underneath the station, not south of it so he isn't what I'm looking for.
So in other words you are looking for people who would have perception issues working in favor of your faith in the official story. Hilarious.
No, it's simple science. If everyone North of the citgo says NOC, and everyone south of the citgo says SOC, then we have some pretty strong evidence of a perspective issue.
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What is the source for that information?
Levi Stephens.
Levi didn't post that. Where is the quote/interview?
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I find it interesting that of the people who place the plane on a North of Citgo flightpath, only one of them was actually south of the citgo station and truthfully he wasn't due south, he was east of the citgo and possibly south by latitude. (The impact point being north of the citgo by latitude)
Uh huh. Of course. Yet you don't find it "interesting" how there is not a single verified first-hand account of ANYONE who specifically places it south of the citgo from ANY position!
Probably because, as you stated: "there simply isn't a place south of the citgo that allows for a good full view of EITHER flight path up to the alleged impact point". Add to that the additional fact that anyone who couldn't see the citgo station isn't going to use it as a point of reference.
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My point here is that since most of these north of citgo eyewitnesses were themselves north of the citgo station there could be some spatial or perpective issues that you haven't investigated. Add to that the fact that the impact point at the pentagon is north of the citgo and we've got 2 factors which may play into the statements made by eyewitnesses to the event. I'm not saying that's what happened but none of your evidence eliminates either of these possibilities.
Pssst.....people at the citgo are not north of the citgo.
I never said they were.
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Yet they all independently place the plane north of the citgo!
Go figure!
We talked to them first.
They prove where the plane was in relation to the citgo.
Try to understand the difference between claims and proof, noting that something is not true simply because these people agree that it is.
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You are making up perspective issues for them that simply do not exist.
If that's true, provide proof that no perspective issues exist for these eyewitnesses.
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Unanimous corroboration yet you have ZERO evidence for your faith.
? It doesn't take "faith" to know that people can be wrong and can make mistakes. That's what I'm saying. Your "faith" in these eyewitnesses apparently makes them immune to perspective issues and immune to making mistakes so long as they agree.
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Why is your faith in what you were told by the media and govt so strong that you are willing to dismiss scientifically validated independent evidence?
It has nothing to do with the government or the media. I'm not saying "you're wrong because they're right". I'm saying that you are wrong because your theory requires no possibility of error on the flightpath claims.
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Apparently your faith is soundly rooted in war, mass murder, and faulty logic.
The only faulty logic here is your claim that the witnesses were immune to perspective issues and that their agreement eliminates the possibility of them being wrong.
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