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Craig Ranke CIT	Mar 19 2009, 11:25 PM
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Boonedoggled Mar 19 2009, 10:23 PM Craig Wrong that is exactly what we describe. No it's not. Your depiction of 77's flight path has it traveling northeast. This is not what O'Brien describes, nor does it match what the controller says to O'Brien. "Traffic at your 11 o'clock, northbound." You can use runway 1/33 at Reagan as a reference since you're having a difficult time understanding which way north is. Every controller describes 77 approaching from the East. You cannot turn from an eastbound heading to a northbound heading without making a left-hand turn, unless you're going to add another loop to your loop. Aldo yelled at me for using that old crude estimate. I should have figured you would have deceptively used it to spin, twist, and confuse. Here is a more accurate estimate with a more gradual turn from the west that works with O'Brien and the ATC accounts: And look! That happens to be EXACTLY what National Geographic depicted as well! With C-130 Interaction: In fact I'd say that my estimate above should have a bit more of a pronounced yet still gradual approach from the south before the loop starts as VERY accurately represented by National Geographic. (in the full animation) How do you explain that Boone?? Hmmmm? Coincidence? Did National Geographic just happen to accidentally come to this conclusion that matches O'Brien and all the confirmed and corroborated ANC accounts perfectly? Quote: I never suggested that. Good then you understand his account of the attack jet approaching from his "left" is irreconcilable with the RADES data. Quote: Why would you expect him to be able to see the decoy jet 6.5 miles away when it is your contention that the decoy jet would have been invisible (to Chaconas) at 4.5 miles away? Not to mention the air traffic controllers at Reagan that were 1.5 miles away. HAHAHA! You're comparing visibility to someone on the ground to someone in a plane!! Surely you see what a completely idiotic (more likely deliberately deceptive) analogy that is. And OBVIOUSLY air traffic crossing in front of him would be ummm....well shall we say of legitimate concern to someone flying a plane? A bit more of a concern than sight seeing national landmarks like the Mall? Agreed? Did you not learn that lesson yet in your 35 hours of flight time? (This is ridiculous. This guy seriously deserves to be limited to posting in the "skeptics" section imho after such blatant dishonesty like that. It's a clear pattern with him.) Quote: You still haven't explained how he would've had a beautiful view of the mall if it was underneath him. Why would it be underneath him as he flew right towards it? And why would he use it as a landmark at all if he wasn't flying towards it (or past it heading westbound as he says) and was south of the airport headed southwest? And while you're at it why don't you please give a full explanation as to why all the confirmed first-hand ANC witness accounts independently corroborate each other and prove our interpretation of O'Brien's account 100% correct? Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Mar 19 2009, 11:45 PM.
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