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Craig Ranke CIT	Mar 18 2009, 05:06 PM
Posts: 1,459 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: 01/14/08	Woody Box Mar 18 2009, 03:35 PM First I'd like to say that it was not my intention at all to push a certain flight path version or to refute another. I detected these statements just two days ago and published them immediately because they are of historical value and maybe help to find out not only the true flight path, but also the mechanisms to suppress it. I said already I haven't analyzed the statements properly yet. I understood that as your intention. Quote: To classify these statements as "government controlled data", Craig, is way too easy and neglects the chance to take them as a further jigsaw piece to disprove the NTSB flight loop. These data were generated on 9/11 or 9/12, are hidden in a huge file of a FAA investigator (Douglas Gould), were obtained and published by a 9/11 truth group from Bloomington, Indiana, and if an obscure researcher from Cologne, Germany, would not have taken his time to browse through the hundreds of files published by this group, they would probably sleep there undetected until the Last Judgment. I never meant to dismiss them nor was I necessarily referring to these statements when I said that. I was referring to the audio that Boone cited as well as the NTSB, 84 RADES, and DCA alleged radar data. That being said these statements HAVE been government controlled and you seem to agree that there was likely influence and/or manipulation involved here impeding on their accuracy. The simple fact that you think they are irreconcilable with each other is a testament to that. Quote: I can't imagine that a government of control freaks would rely on these guys from Bloomington and Cologne to place important disinformation. Why not? It only becomes "important" when there is an imminent risk of the plot being exposed and public opinion turning against the propaganda. That is clearly not the case. Meanwhile they are much better off for disinfo to leak out over years via independent sources. That is what gives it automatic credibility as you seem to be attributing to it even while doubting the accuracy/legitimacy of the info. However that isn't to say that the statements aren't real. I tend to believe that pertinent information that definitively contradicts their story is removed/redacted while we are left to sort through only the inconclusive and ambiguous information that is left. Quote: Honestly, I am pretty proud that I detected this stuff. This being said, I have taken a closer look at the statements, and the result is curious and telling: Again....I wasn't trying to minimize this. I was merely trying to underscore the extreme level of purely independent direct hard evidence that exists proving the plane DID fly east of the river regardless of what can or can't be found in these statements. Quote: While nearly all of the controllers seem to agree that the target didn't cross the Potomac and performed the loop exclusively west of the river, we have several versions of the specific shape of the loop, and none of them matches the nice official circular loop: This I disagree with. There is nothing in the statements (that I have read or that you have quoted) that definitively rules out the notion that the plane crossed the Potomac. As I said....what's most likely is that the inconclusive information that can go either way wasn't redacted/removed while the more conclusive information was. Quote: Summary: Five controllers, five different loops, and not one of them matches the official loop. Superimposing the six loops on one diagram would look like a tangled clew. While I agree with most of your interpretation....it can always be written off as that. The statements simply aren't specific enough. The exact location of the loop and whether or not it crossed the river is not definitive in any of these statements. Quote: Bad memory is not an excuse for this information mess. The controllers made their statements one day after the attacks, and their figures are pretty precise. What happened? Interestingly, (nearly) all of these statements place the loop west of its actual position (if we believe Steve Chaconas). It really looks like the guys were told to "move" the loop they've seen westward. Why? The only reason I can imagine is that the perps feared that potential witnesses for the decoy jet east of the Potomac would be surprised that the white plane they observed was American 77. But that's not conclusive enough. Again.... Perhaps I'm missing it but I don't see where any of these statements definitively have the southbound portion of the "loop" west of the river. I think the most notable thing you have found here is the notion that they are describing separate sharp turns as opposed to one smooth continuous loop. I agree this is significant and that there is most likely something to this. Just like we have reason to believe the final NoC pass after the Navy Annex was a relatively slow moving, erratic, confusing, and difficult to describe bank (in stark contrast to the simple deliberate, controlled, and perfectly straight gradual descent as depicted and required) it now seems as though there is a decent amount of evidence contradicting a perfectly smooth loop. It would be great if we could get a hold of these guys but I have a feeling it would be near impossible to get them to talk unless they were completely oblivious to how what they witnessed contradicts the NTSB data. It's certainly worth a shot. Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Mar 18 2009, 05:47 PM.
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