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| Aldo Marquis CIT | Mar 9 2009, 08:38 PM |
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Will you just admit that you are not interested in the truth, Espresso? Will you admit that you have no interest in reading or trying to understand what we've uncovered or what we are trying to tell you? WIll you admit that no matter what, you willl not conceded? Will you just admit that? You are going out of your way to force your belief into existence no matter what people tell you? Do you think I am stupid or inept or that I have no idea what I am doing or talking about? I am going to show you why you are not bright and stuck on fear based faith. Mkay?
No one saw the plane on the SoC path, no one saw the plane hitting poles. Don't you understand what deduction means? They saw poles lying on the ground, saw photos, or read news reports after the fact and then it turns into, "the plane hit some light poles on its way in" which turns into the pseudoskeptic, that would be you, saying "these witnesses saw the plane hitting light poles". People may have thought they saw the plane hitting light poles, but since they saw it approach on the north side, this would negate light pole strikes. Let's break your witnesses down to show you how wrong and irrelevant you and your line of thinking are... Mark Bright “It was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down.” Again that is not proof of Mark Bright actually seeing them. That is Mark Bright saying the plane was at the height of the light poles and that he saw some broken lying on the ground hence him DEDUCING that it "knocked a couple down". Did you speak with him? Did you ask him which side of the gas station the plane flew on? Did you ask him if he actually saw poles struck or whether he is deducing it? Do you think he would agree with Sgt Lagasse and Brooks? Sorry, he is not a light pole witness. Chadwick Brooks Umm, he admitted on our video that he actually didn't see the light poles get struck and that he saw the plane approach on the north side of the Citgo. Sorry, he is not a light pole witness. Walker Lee Evey God you are pathetic. Seriously, you wonder why I get so goddamned angry with you people. As many times as I have posted it you choose to ignore it. GUESS WHAT CAPTAIN RESEARCH? LEE EVEY WAS AT HOME DURING THE ATTACK. HE IS NOT A WITNESS. HE WAS THE PEN REN MGR. Sorry, he is not a light pole witness. He is not even a witness. Kat Gaines More of your wonderful research. Well she called it telephone poles aaaaaaaand she was on the other side of the Pentagon genius, on Rt 110. You can't see the light poles from there. Sorry, she is not a light pole witness. Afework Hagos “It hit some lampposts on the way in.” Yup, he drove, walked past, or saw images of the light poles on the ground and DEDUCED that it "hit some lampposts on the way in". What are you not getting about actually verifying what they saw??? Did you speak with him? Did you ask him which side of the gas station the plane flew on? Did you ask him if he actually saw the plane strike poles or if he deduced them being hit after he saw the poles on the ground? You didn't? Sorry, he is not a light pole witness. D.S. Khavkin "First, the plane knocked down a number of street lamp poles, then headed directly for the Pentagon"  Here is the view from her apartment. She did NOT see it "knock down a number of street lamp poles". She deduced it from later images and reports, DIDN'T SHE??? Sorry, she is not a light pole witness. Lincoln Liebner "It was probably about thirty feet off the ground, clipping the lampposts." Probably? Clipping lampposts or did he see them lying on the ground and ASSUME or DEDUCE that the plane "clipped lamp posts"? Absolutely. Well according to reporters, Lincoln also said the plane hit a helicopter at the heliport. He also illustrated an NoC flight path:  Yet he didn't see the plane over south parking lot, like Roosvelt Roberts saw. Did you ask Lincoln which side of the gas station the plane was on? Did you ask him if he actually saw the light poles struck? Could he be a liar? Sorry, he is not a light pole witness. Don Mason Second hand from the ASCE report. He along with Frank Probst, by means of the ASCE, put the plane on a SoC trajectory. Yet their stories still don't hold water. Frank Probst and Don Mason, are actually considered suspect witnesses. Did you ask Don which side of the gas station the plane was on? Did you ask him if he actually saw the light poles struck? Could he be a liar? Sorry, he is not a light pole witness. Stephen McGraw Um he admitted TO US that he "deduced" it or as I like to put it; he backed away from this lie because he was not even on the highway at the time the plane flew over: http://thepentacon.com/LloydEngland_AccompliceVideo.htm#FromLawtoLord Mary Ann Owens She is part of the USA Today parade, so she is considered a suspect witness first off. Second, here is her first account from 9/11: I was stopped in traffic beside the Pentagon, listening to the terrible news on the radio: A second plane had hit the World Trade Center in New York. The sound of the engines came so quickly I thought it was another helicopter landing. I looked left to see a large plane barely clear the I-395 overpass. Instantly I knew what was happening, and I involuntarily ducked as the plane passed perhaps 50 to 75 feet above the roof of my car at great speed. The plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon, perhaps at the third-floor level. The impact was deafening. The fuselage hit the ground and blew up. I could see office walls through the broken outer walls, then smoke and flames engulfed the west wall. Perhaps 10 seconds had passed since I first saw the plane. At first no one moved. Then debris began falling over the cars. No mention of light poles. But a year later: Up to that moment I had only experienced shock by the news coming from New York City and frustration with the worse-than-normal traffic snarl ... but it wasn't until I heard the demon screaming of that engine that I expected to die. Between the Pentagon's helicopter pad, which sits next to the road, and Reagan Washington National Airport a couple of miles south, aviation noise is common along my commute to the silver office towers in Rosslyn where Gannett Co Inc. were housed last autumn. But this engine noise was different. It was too sudden, too loud, too encompassing. Looking up didn't tell me what type of plane it was because it was so close I could only see the bottom. Realising the Pentagon was its target, I didn't think the careering, full-throttled craft would get that far. Its downward angle was too sharp, its elevation of maybe 50 feet, too low. Street lights toppled as the plane barely cleared the Interstate 395 overpass. ... Gripping the steering wheel of my vibrating car, I involuntarily ducked as the wobbling plane thundered over my head. Once it passed, I raised slightly and grimaced as the left wing dipped and scraped the helicopter area just before the nose crashed into the southwest wall of the Pentagon. If she is a genuine witness it sounds like she added the details about the light poles to her account. Again, if she is a genuine witness(a BIG IF), she very could be and would be deducing the light poles after seeing them on the ground. Did you ask Mary Ann which side of the gas station the plane was on? Did you ask her if she actually saw the light poles struck? Could she be a liar? Sorry, she is not a light pole witness. Wanda Ramey http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=324&hl= We interviewed her, she is not a viable witness for light poles or an impact. If anything, she is leaning more towards being an NoC witness. Noel Sepulveda “[It] struck a light pole…The plane tried to recover, but hit a second light pole and continued flying at an angle.” Noel Sepulveda may sound like he saw the plane hit the poles; but he does NOT specifically state it and he may be relaying what he was told. This is why first-hand confirmation is so important. Plus it allegedly hit 5 poles not 2. Is it really possible for the plane to "try to recover" at over 500mph? If any of the 5 poles really affected the flight of the plane that would have been devastating and there is no way it would have hit with such perfect precision so low and level and fast to the ground as depicted in the security video. There is a lot of reason to doubt the legitimacy of this account and we were not able to find him for verification. Did you askNoel which side of the gas station the plane was on? Did you ask him if he actually saw the light poles struck or whether he was going on second hand information? Could he be a liar? Sorry, he is not a light pole witness. Do you now understand what it takes to be a SoC or light pole witness, Sparky? Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Mar 10 2009, 03:00 PM.
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