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| 22205 | Dec 3 2008, 10:00 PM |
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with all due respect shoestring, there are some real problems here with the stated theory, but there are also some real problems with the facts. perhaps thats what has lead you astray in this theory, allow me to explain. first and foremost, there isnt a 1003 wilson blvd. there is no building at that address. yet it is indeed the arlington county after action report itself which states this incorrect information: do a search for that address and you wont find any other result than the 911-related one. or check here and hover the cursor above the buildings: http://www.arlingtonvirginiausa.com/index.cfm/6314  there is no 1003 wilson boulevard, im 99% sure of it. i will drive by sometime this week and double-check, but so far the internet point towards its non-existence. by the way, if it exists, it is/was not the former USAToday/Ganette buildings. since it has an odd (not even) number it would be across the street from the Rosslyn Twin Towers (but more about that later). the 2nd fallacy in that report is this:  arlington is fairly small. at any given minute, over 80% of the fire and rescue units are within 10 minutes of the Pentagon. http://www.arlingtonva.us/Departments/Fire/find/FireFindFindYourStation.aspx  from east to west alington is roughly 4 miles wide. from north to south its roughly 7 miles long. full of major connecting routes:  so being in Rosslyn doesnt necessarily make the Fire Departments any closer or further than they would normally be in the first place, since almost all of them could reach the Pentagon in a very short amount of time. and when i think about it, actually being in Rosslyn (especially if searching for a non-existent apartment building), would impede your progress to the Pentagon. at 9:30am on a weekday, the traffic bottlenecks to a stand still where the bridges cross into DC. rosslyn is the only bridge into georgetown a place where tons of people residing in virginia, travel to for work. so being in rosslyn as opposed to being just outside of it and close to one of the thoroughfares that fire stations are normally placed near would tend to slow you down. which is exactly what i think the main objective was with this phantom fire. think about the scene at the pentagon and which fire trucks showed up first: fort myer fd and national airport foam units:  so we know right there that being close to the pentagon (in rosslyn) didnt equal these 9 fire and medical units getting to the scene first and/or quickly. but even that claim, of "9 units in rosslyn" is very convoluded and requires some thought. this story makes no sense:  IF Engine103 is the first to arrive at the scene and report that "the fire is out", then what happens to the other 8 dispatched units? dont they return to wherever they came from? so how are any crews other than Engine103 closer to the Pentagon as a result of this phantom fire? furthermore, who put the fire out? if Engine103 is "FIRST TO ARRIVE", did they put out the fire? so how did it go from a substantial 9-unit fire to no fire? it makes no sense. technically, rosslyn has its own Fire Department, literally around the corner from the 1000 block of wilson blvd: http://www.arlingtonva.us/Departments/Fire/find/FireFindStation10.aspx   but engine 103 is stationed at the Cherrydale Volunteer Dept. and has a longer way to go to reach near the alleged phantom fire at 1000 block of wilson blvd: http://www.arlingtonva.us/Departments/Fire/find/FireFindStation03.aspx   not only that, but once all these rescue units started pouring into the scene, a bunch of them actually were held back and away from the scene:  so there is alot there that doesnt compute. im not sure what kind of crap arlington county's after-action report is trying to pull, but it doesnt make any sense. i dont think they are making it up, but i think some key connecting details are missing from their allegations. but my overall point was that such an event, that of a "phantom fire" at "1003 wilson blvd" would more likely end up delaying engine103's progress towards the pentagon, than speeding it up. the way things played out, a couple of firetrucks DID make it there (to the "impact" site) quickly, and they DID impede the perps' plans: they put out the fires in less than 20 minutes and the scene was NOT "shocking or awe-inspiring" enough for mass broadcast appeal. so (somehow) the fires were re-ignited and the lawn area further staged to try and sell the "plane crashed here" propaganda. with regard to Chief Jim Schwartz, from "Extended Interview with Chief Jim Schwartz": http://videos.mcclatchydc.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=1970190 (heavily edited video but is the original source of schwartz's comments) Curiously, Schwartz said: "Shortly after that, we had a fire response for alarm bells at the USA Today building. ... And I was actually dispatched to that building first [before heading to the Pentagon]. By the time I got to the elevator, the transmissions were coming out about the situation as it was unfolding at the Pentagon. I did not go to the USA Today building. I drove directly to the Pentagon." chief Schwartz says they had received calls from occupants of the various riverside office buildings asking if they should evacuate their buildings as result of having heard about and seen the 2nd WTC crash. Schwartz says he was on his way to the USAtoday building - responding to alarm bells - -and says that he "has always ASSUMED someone had pulled a fire alarm at the USAtoday on their way out of the building in order to let everyone else know to leave also. he also admits to heading to the pentagon upon the first report he hears of an incident there, as he admits to never going up the elevator to check if indeed there was or wasnt a fire at the USAtoday building. this decision was presumably based on his earlier assumption that there was probably no fire there. but he never says that someone else was sent to check the building out to be sure however, that there wasNt a fire back in Rosslyn at the Twin Towers. i understand that the pentagon being attacked was urgent, but a man in his position couldnt act on an assumption and leave innocent people in possible danger. what if he was wrong and the USAtoday building was indeed on fire? his willingness to abandon the USAtoday building and go to the pentagon is a very questionable decision and i have to wonder what made him sure enough about the usa building to leave it behind. perhaps he saw no smoke from outside and figured it was fine? he allegedly went as far as the elevator, but then left?! *** also, if im not mistaken, on the other side of town, an accident at national airport was also keeping the immediate response teams pre-occupied: http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/nfpa-article/ NFPA Journal Online Exclusive November 1, 2001 ARFF Crews Respond to the Front Line at Pentagon by Stephen Murphy
*** btw - on a seperate note: at the McClatchey site, where i found the Chief Schwarz video, i found a pic of alleged fuselage debris i have never seen before:   *** |
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