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An official story believer in another forum cited the things below in order to justify that Flight 77 did indeed do what the official story says. If anyone has any counters, I'd be glad to hear them...
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The CIT guys have witness testimony that, depending on your interpretation, places the flight path north of the service station. More here. http://www.911myths.com/index.php/NoC


This is the disinformation of the anonymous character Reheat aka Retreat. It has been debunked numerous time and is flat out absurd. He created fabricated values and found every possible way to make it seem impossible. It was a big strawman. Even his own have told him it was possible and he conceded it:

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"Exponents' example posted earlier is just an example. He only used two of the witnesses to show the ONLY possible flight path that could be flown North of the Citgo Station."

-Reheat admits NoC flight path is possible. 9/25/2008
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread394264/pg4#pid5030426


It is possible as illustrated by a professional pilot who uses his real name...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7134448689829125037&hl=en

Send him to pilotsfor911truth.org

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The problem is that the story these witnesses tell differ but they all agree that the plane went on to hit the pentagon. The CIT guys ignore this, take the interpretations they want and claim that the plane flew over.


This is the problem with the ignorant. They IGNORE the fact that the plane was on the north side of the Citgo. This means it can't hit the light poles, which can't hit the cab, it can't show up low and level across the lawn as seen in the surveillance video, it can't hit the generator trailer and fence with it's right wing, it can't cause the directional damage leading to the C-ring hole as outlined by the ASCE report---in short it CAN'T hit the first floor and skim into the building. THESE ARE FACTS! The plane's impact and the north side approach are mutually exclusive. Which one do you believe they actually saw?

Sgt Brooks said our movie was an "eye-opener" and that "anything is possible" when it comes to him being fooled.

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No one saw the plane fly over and instead there are many witnesses who saw it actually hit the pentagon. There are even witnesses who saw it knock over the light poles. Let's go through the list again.


Wrong. Officer Roosevelt Roberts saw the plane banking away AFTER the explosion.

This is the problem with the internet and fear. He has no idea what he is even talking about he is merely googling his way to reaffirm his denial. This is why we went out there. You can't simply take internet accounts as forensic proof of an impact of anything. People deduce things. They saw a plane fly by then see smoke or a fireball rise the area of the Pentagon, the deduce an impact. People see light poles lying on the ground after the fact, they say the plane hit some poles.

You'll note he doesn't list any names.

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104 directly saw the plane hit the Pentagon.


This is the work of disinfo agent Mark Roberts. There is no such thing as 104 impact witnesses.
http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=82&st=0

And even the 30 are highly questionable due to position/POV and occupation/conflicts of interest.

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6 were nearly hit by the plane in front of the Pentagon. Several others were within 100-200 feet of the impact.


Who? Frank Probst is a known liar now that the north side approach has been discovered. Remember it is ALL about the north side approach. THIS PROVES AN INSIDE JOB!

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26 mentioned that it was an American Airlines jet.


So? So did the news within hours of the event. So some very well could have deduced it and were tainted by news reports. Witnesses told us it did not look like an AA. The witnesses we spoke with don't describe an AA. Even if it it was an AA, it flew north of the Citgo!!! That still means a non-impact and staged light poles, cab, and trailer,.

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39 others mentioned that it was a large jet/commercial airliner.


Yeah, so? We know that. Spamming a known fact we helped establish that was meant for the missile people doesn't affect our findings/evidence.

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2 described a smaller corporate jet. 1 described a "commuter plane" but didn't mention the size.


More than that did.

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7 said it was a Boeing 757.


I can think of 3 who said it was a 737. And so what if it was a 757. It was still on the north side of the Citgo!

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8 witnesses were pilots. One witness was an Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief.


And? Did he verify these 8 witnesses as pilots? Yes and the "Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower Chief" PLACED THE PLANE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE CITGO! He even debated the surveillance video being accurate!!!

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2 witnesses were firefighters working on their truck at the Pentagon heliport.


Yeah and um...

"So many people think Mark and I watched the plane hit the building. We did NOT. We only saw it approach for an instant."

--Alan Wallace (on of those 2 witnesses/firefighters)

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=88


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4 made radio calls to inform emergency services that a plane had hit the Pentagon.


So they were fooled. A big plane and a big explosion. Deduction. It doesn't change the fact that the plane approached on the north side of the Citgo!!! This is fatal to the official story impact!

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10 said the plane's flaps and landing gear were not deployed (1 thought landing gear struck a light pole).


So? Still on the north side of the Citgo.

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16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.


Again deduction. Since the plane approached on the north sideof the Citgo the poles weren't hit.http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=51&hl=
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42 mentioned seeing aircraft debris. 4 mentioned seeing airline seats. 3 mentioned engine parts.


The Pentagon was under renovation in the EXACT section that was allegedly hit. It was scheduled for completion the week of 9/11. There were UNOCCUPIED areas. All of these items could have misidentified or planted.

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2 mentioned bodies still strapped into seats.


See above. Misidentifying someone in an office chair or frozen cadavers strapped in a section of seats rolled in the night before in a large wooden crate. We've never seen photos regardless. Doesn't negate the fact that the plane was on the north side of the Citgo. If they would stage a cab and a light pole in broad daylight amidst the chaos, they are capable of something unbelieveable like frozen cadavers.

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15 mentioned smelling or contacting aviation/jet fuel.


There was a burning generator with diesel fuel, can they tell the difference? Oh and this...

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One of the Pentagon's two fire trucks was parked only 50 feet from the crash site, and it was "totally engulfed in flames," Anderson says. Nearby, tanks full of propane and aviation fuel had begun igniting, and they soon began exploding, one by one.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/75861?tid=relatedcl


That could explain the "jet" fuel they smelled. Aviation fuel at a heliport. Imagine that.

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3 had vehicles damaged by light poles or aircraft debris. Several saw other occupied vehicles damaged.


The cab damage was fabricated since no poles were, since the plane approached on the north side of the Citgo. As for other cars...yeah explosions hurling debris might do that.

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3 took photographs of the aftermath.


This is what a disinfo agent would do, bulk up the quantity, adding things that are irrelevant to make it appear there is more to his case.

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Many mentioned false alarm warnings of other incoming planes after the crash. One said "3-4 warnings."


So?

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And of course,

0 saw a military aircraft or missile strike the Pentagon.


I know. This is disinfo and a strawman.

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0 saw a plane narrowly miss the Pentagon and fly away.


Robert Turcios saw the plane pull up into an ascent over the highway right befiore the wall .

Maria De La Cerda thought the plane "hit on the other side" or hit "high" or "hit the top".

Roosevelt Roberts saw it flying away after the explosion.

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There was also wreckage matching a 757,


None of it was positively ID'd as coming tail number N644AA. In fact some of the photos of debris from inside have no photographer credit, no date, no time, no location. In fact, most of the crucial pieces-landing gear, wheel rim, combustion case were NEVER released on a gov't site. In fact, the state department actually links to the only site that ever showed them--a conspiracy site called Rense.com. A site they called the #1 disinfo site! It was posted there by a "Sarah Roberts" who received them from a worker who wanted to remain anonymous.


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hijackers documents and the dna of the victims remains were matched.
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Really? You have all the evidence pertaining to chain of custody? DNA can be swapped out you know.

Doesn't change the fact that the plane was on the north side of the Citgo!!!
Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Oct 13 2008, 01:04 PM.
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