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His account about flying north and west by the south side of the mall is more in line with Morningside One DP:
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0801/00561MORNINGSIDE.PDF
It says he could "expect radar vectors" on runway 1L/1R after his departure north. It says radar vectors are required within 10 nautical miles from departure.
It makes sense that he received a radar vector to the west after he flew north for 3 to 5 nautical miles.
4 to 5 nautical miles is within 10 nautical miles.
This fits with his description of flying north and west which took them by the south side of the mall. Not the south side of Reagan.
His flight plan was to take him north and west to MN, ending up over PA both of which are north and west either way.
Remember, the RADES data was released right after I started piecing together his account and publishing it publically.
The RADES flight path takes him through the Reagan approach corridor which also doesn't make much sense as noted by Pilot Rob Balsamo.
P56 DOES ALLOW flight paths on the south side of the mall and certainly does not restrict it.
In fact, that would take him right towards the end of the departure flight path for Reagan, where planes fly up river and out of the area, banking sometimes west and certainly north I am sure. He would have continued north and west toward MN.
The RADES flight path takes him southwest.
Let's not forget,
-Steve Chaconas did NOT see a C-130 only THE jet approaching from the east side of the Potomac from the NW.
-Mineta/Belger place the plane DRA near the USA Today building in Rosslyn
-Joe Hurst, Joseph Candelario, Gen Clyde Vaughn, Stuart Artman saw the plane in DC skies.
-Ari Fleischer admits there was another flight path that took the plane towards the white house and not well SW of it as the NTSB/RADES data attempts to depict.
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Sources say the hijacked jet continued east at a high speed toward the city, but flew several miles south of the restricted airspace around the White House. [...] At the White House Friday, spokesman Ari Fleischer saw it a different way. " That is not the radar data that we have seen," Fleischer said, adding, " The plane was headed toward the White House." http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/09/11/...ain310721.shtml
-ATC Danielle O'Brien was sure the plane "over-shot" or over missed the White House.
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O'Brien went to the Pentagon to see what happened for herself, making her ever more certain that the Pentagon was a secondary target, and that the hijackers overshot or missed the White House. "I've been down to the Pentagon and stood on the hillside and imagined where, according to what I saw on the radar, that flight would have come from," she says. "And I think that they came eastbound and because sun was in their eyes that morning, and because the White House was beyond a grove of trees, I think they couldn't see it. It was too fast. They came over that Pentagon or saw it just in front of them. You can't miss the Pentagon. It's so telltale by its shape and its size, and they said, 'Look, there it is. Take that. Get that.' They certainly could have had the White House if they had seen it." http://abcnews.go.com/2020/Story?id=124266&page=3or http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123822&page=1
-Col Deskins reports the radar terminating over Washington DC:
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Poster 22205: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8721198283922671798 IMPORTANT note at 15:20 minutes video time of the above clip: Colonel Deskins, a lady radar person (with air force uniform), from the New York Command Center (of norad) comes on:  -and she very SPECIFICALLY describes the last maneuver of the plane. whats KEY in her exact quote is this (bolded): - Quote:
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"we caught, on the radar scope, a few blips, maybe 7 or 8 (hands showing the spiral maneuver motion in correspondence with these radar dots), just enough to kinda go around in a half circle and then fade, eh - losing radar contact - RIGHT OVER um, WASHINGTON."
-Colin Scoggins (and Kevin Nesapany) place the/an unidentified plane SE & east of the White House/Potomac.
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Scoggins: Just to report, be advised the aircraft is 4-6 miles SE (southeast) of the White House.
Huntress: 6 miles SOUTHEAST of the White House?
Scoggins: Yup
Huntress: He's moving away?
Apparently Colin Scoggins recieved this information based on a VISUAL from FAA HQ in Washington DC!!!
“I was on aTELCON and there were people who were actually looking at their window and saw the plane, they were speaking it verbatim on the phone to the TELCON. So it was a visual encounter, I assume they were in FAA HQ on Independence AVE. I know one persons name who was there and according to a USA article on around 9/20/01 I have an idea who said it on the phone, and he is the same person that I received the Phantom 11 call on.”
“I don't know what office window they were looking from, I've always felt it was FAA HQ […] I am 99 % sure that the statement was made by visual...
Not to mention,
If you watch the BBC interview with him, he pulls out the map and says...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9ag6brfWro"Well here's a chart of the Washington DC area...
That's Andrews Air Force Base right here...
We departed out of Andrews, climbed to 3000 ft which took us by the south side of the mall."Narrator: Lt. Col. O'Brien was on a routine flight, but as he flew over Central Washington air traffic control reported an unidentified jet fast approaching on his left hand side.
And again, the narrator said as "Flight AA77 descended in a wide turn over the Capitol and lined up with it's target there was a military C-130...flying above Washington DC".
Clearly the BBC interviewed him and understood what he had explained to them, because they mention central DC several times.
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Note he said "and as he moved to our 11 o' clock position he started his turn..."
He STARTED his turn as he moved to O'Brien's 11 O'Clock position.
As you can see in the NTSB animation, the plane was ALWAYS IN A "TURN" or the bank that ends up being 30-45 degrees of bank at one point.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP3EMnCx4y
Furthermore, when they finally discussed the C-130's role Lt. Col Kenneth states that the decoy jet was heading into Washington at an angle (the 30-45 degree bank)...
A C-130 cargo plane had departed Andrews Air Force Base en route to Minnesota that morning and reported seeing an airliner heading into Washington"at an unusual angle," said Lt. Col. Kenneth McClellan, a Pentagon spokesman.
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I was in FOB-8 (FDA) about 3 blocks from the Capitol, watching CNN on my PC because I had been told by a colleague across the hall that a plane had hit the WTC. (Our Center runs CNN off a Netshow encoder 24/7 so we can get news on the network.) I watched the second plane hit the WTC and shortly after that my wife called to tell me there was smoke showing from further down the Mall in the direction of the Whitehouse. (The Whitehouse is in the same direction as the Pentagon from our location at the foot of Capitol Hill.) There were then many rumors spreading in the hallway that car bombs had gone off on the Hill and near the State Dept, supposedly smoke was showing there as well. We now know that the car bomb rumors were false. My Team Leader came in to say as he was coming in to the building, he saw a 757 flying in a peculiar location roughly over the Mall. (We now know that was the 757 that hit the Pentagon as it did circle downtown DC, supposedly looking for a target, possibly the Whitehouse which is not as easy to pick out from the air as the Capitol or the Pentagon, before heading west again, then turning east for its final run at the Pentagon.)About that time, I suspected that there might be other hijacked aircraft targeting other buildings in the area (remember, we thought there might have been car bombs going off too at this point) so I walked across the hall to the lab of the colleague who initially told me the WTC had been hit by an aircraft. Looking out of the north facing 4th floor window, I saw the outline of a 747-400 flying slowly south to north nearly directly over head at a low altitude. Planes never flew there as it is restricted airspace, almost over the Capitol. As it turned over NE DC, roughly Union Station I guess, and banked east, the sun hit the pale colored paint and I could see that it was an Air Force E-4 and not a commercial 747. It was going so slow, it appeared to hang in the air over the Hubert Humphrey (HHS) building (across the street from FOB-8). For a moment it crossed my mind that such an aircraft carries much more fuel and could do considerably more damage than the aircraft that had hit the WTC (at this time it was being reported that those aircraft were commuter planes, we didn't know for sure they were 767's, though the outline sure looked like it to me when I saw the second one disappear into the building on CNN). Us chemists were already thinking of fuel loads and explosive equivalents, combustion temperature, melting point of steel, etc. when we watched the first tower collapse. (I'm hazy in my recall of the exact time we watched this relative to the Pentagon crash.) http://forums.techguy.org/archive/index.php/t-72752.htm
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11:47 PM Nov 29
