Welcome Guest [Log In] [Register]
Add Reply
What do you believe?
I do not believe in God 1 (25%)
Anything is possible within reason but strong evidence points in the opposite direction to a designer God 2 (50%)
I don't know what I believe but I am open to opinion 0 (0%)
I believe that a God created the Universe but did not design anything in it 0 (0%)
I believe that a God designed everything in the universe but did not create it 0 (0%)
I believe that God created everything but if shown otherwise will think differently 0 (0%)
I was brought up to believe in God and I'm stickin to it 1 (25%)
God created everything and no logic or reason can change my mind 0 (0%)
Some New Agey crap 0 (0%)
Total Votes: 4
Where's God?... Logic Vs Faith; Does God Exist?
Topic Started: Feb 24 2010, 01:18 PM (419 Views)
LoneWolf
Administrator
Does God Exist?
Everytime I ask myself that question I begin from an unbiased standpoint and everytime I find more evidence against God's existence than for it. In fact there is NO evidnece for the existence of god. I would like to hear your opinion on this matter and if you can provide evidence for the existence of any god please do so. I'm sure i'll hear "well god exists because he/she created/designed me" somewhere along the way. Darwin's theory of Evolution has sunk this ridiculous hypothesis long ago. There is enough facts about our world to show that no god has ever even interfered with our lives let alone the rest of the universe. As we all know from David Hume, if a hypothesis has no facts for or against it then it is useless (see teacup in space hypothesis)
So please show us for the very first time in history, with scientific evidence, that god exists.
Edited by LoneWolf, Feb 24 2010, 01:55 PM.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
goo

I'm going to argue the other side for a change.

I'd like to know more about your opinion on evolution. What makes you think evolution couldn't have been orchestrated by a creator?

I'm not talking about the religious idea of god, but without the input or influence of another type of life how do you think we've come to be here?
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LoneWolf
Administrator
I'll try to keep this short and sweet but i doubt i will lol.

Evolution is one of the most important theories in the history of man. It's also one of the simplest. All living things on Earth evolved, in some way or the other, into how they exist today. Over an unimaginable amount of time tiny genetic changes occur which are influenced by different factors. We will not see any dramatic changes in animals within our lifespan (unless you count unnatural selection eg. dogs, flowers)
Evolution explains how a microscopic organism can eventually evolve into something as complicated as a human being over a very long period of time (geological scale).

One factor called natural selection keeps everthing in check. Natural selection itself is a mechacnism which "chooses" traits that improve an organisms chance of survival. These traits are then passed on to future generations. Hence the successful genes live on. Over many many many generations we may see a slight change in animals and plants, and after more than a thousand or so generations (may vary) a new speices might have emerged. Of course this is only so because we are lookingat the end product. And that is a quick summary of how evolution works (excluding many other factors but this is just an example).

What makes you think evolution couldn't have been orchestrated by a creator?

Well from the points I have just mentioned here, I cannot see where a creator/designer could possibly fit in. If Something or someone created us or set it up so that we evolved a certain way then all I can say is that they/he/she may as well have done nothing at all. A very lazy, sloppy, half assed designer if you ask me. All you have to do is look at nature to see how we are far from designed. There are many examples which prove this point and I dont mind going through them in my next post. :P

but without the input or influence of another type of life how do you think we've come to be here?

Now thats a good question! I like the way you said "another type of life" and not God.
There are many hypothesis' on how life got here. Maybe life, for example, made the evolutionary leap from "dead" matter in a way that we have yet to discover. Maybe organisms fell from the sky from a passing comet!
My point is that life began frm the simplest origins, almost (or even possibly) from nothing.
This is a much more simpler explanation compared to saying that life was conjured up by an over-complicated, magical bearded skyman. For to use such an explanation is to make matters worse and pass the blame of to something else....... which we then have to explain how that came to be.

I think i'll just stick with good old William Ockham and his trusty razor on this one.

Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
jazzyjay

lol dude god if a flying spaghetti monster according to Richard Dawkins
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LoneWolf
Administrator
I agree with Dawkins that this example is amusing but it also makes a very good point.
I cannot disprove that God did not create the universe no more than I can disprove the spaghetti monster did.
I could start preaching the tasty gospel of the monster with all his delicious claims about making the world, and in doing so no other religious person can tell me i'm being an idiot because they pretty much believe in the same thing.
Belief is the absence of rational thought, logic is replaced by wishful thinking and all obvious facts are cast aside to enforce the thought that we were created and therefore no more questions can be asked on the subject. When someone tells me I believe nothing the previous sentence is usually my response. To tell me I do not have faith or belief is a compliment to me :)
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sexual Predator

whats to say a higher being does'nt orchestrate these tiny genetic changes, if he can create and change the universe this obviously would be very easy in comparison.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
goo

LoneWolf
Feb 24 2010, 11:44 PM
Now thats a good question! I like the way you said "another type of life" and not God.
There are many hypothesis' on how life got here. Maybe life, for example, made the evolutionary leap from "dead" matter in a way that we have yet to discover. Maybe organisms fell from the sky from a passing comet!
My point is that life began frm the simplest origins, almost (or even possibly) from nothing.
This is a much more simpler explanation compared to saying that life was conjured up by an over-complicated, magical bearded skyman. For to use such an explanation is to make matters worse and pass the blame of to something else....... which we then have to explain how that came to be.
I'm actually interested to read what your thoughts are. I hope all your posts on here aren't going to read like a primary school's teachers speech to his class haha.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
LoneWolf
Administrator
My opinion is that it is great!! lol
I tend to look for flaws in theories and with evolution there are none. It is so good that it disproves any possibility of design. If you could be more specific on what you mean I would gladly give you my opinions.
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
Sexual Predator

does a bear really shit in the woods????

im waiting hard dick in hand for your reply paul, im interested in your opinions....

xxx
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
billbong

I risk being disowned by Lone Wolf here, but i think theres evidence of design everywhere you look. To get a better grasp on the argument by design we need to be able to see what its like on other worlds...
Offline Profile Quote Post Goto Top
 
1 user reading this topic (1 Guest and 0 Anonymous)
ZetaBoards - Free Forum Hosting
Enjoy forums? Start your own community for free.
Learn More · Register for Free
Go to Next Page
« Previous Topic · Religion · Next Topic »
Add Reply