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| Soobs | Sep 4 2008, 08:10 AM Post #46 |
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Personally, I'm unsure that sex-education is necessary. I prefer to speak to my children about sex, and have. They've also had sex education in school (I'm not one of those parents who refuse to allow my kids to attend the health class) but ultimately, isn't it the parent's job to educate their children on sex? I did this starting when my oldest son was three - we watched the animal planet and he had questions. I still talk to him about sex, much to his chagrin, and he's 15. It's an ongoing discussion, that encompasses the emotional aspects of sex, as well as the physical. |
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| genny6348 | Sep 4 2008, 08:54 AM Post #47 |
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I feel a woman should have a right to choose and choose she should. If she can't make up her mind in the first trimester - in my opinion, is negligence. As with many issues for me it is not clearly either you're one (pro-life/pro-choice) or the other with no exceptions. I do not agree with late term abortion unless the Mother's life is at risk, and I certainly don't agree with preventing survivors of abortion care. BO's voting record on this issue is revolting to me. I don't vote dem or repub, and I'm not a one issue person. I vote for the person I feel is best suited for the job and sometimes it is a struggle of the lesser of two evils because the kind of vicious attacks on people running for office has excluded many good people from even wanting to participate. This fact makes Sarah Palin's political career even more impressive to me, that she has the courage to even be there. I don't particularly like McCain and I don't agree with his or her positions on many issues, but they impress me most with their character. The dems candidates, not so much. She struck a cord with me and her positions on things I disagree with her about are not deal breakers - Unless there is some catastrophic event that shows me different, I'm voting for the Hockey Mom, McCain gets my vote by default. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 4 2008, 10:22 AM Post #48 |
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Duke09Parent, I want to relay a conversation with two of my Pro-Choice friends (one was Pres of Planned Parenthood Board at one time) about Obama's new ad that electing McCain would mean the end of Roe v Wade. One said.."Ridiculous. Because there's a lot of the Republican base that would NEVER allow it. Never. Most R women I know ARE pro-choice." She's right. The other said this is like the ads the Dems run that Republicans will end Social Security. Huh? Republicans get old too. She's right too. It's scare tactics. Republicans have been in office for almost 8 years with a pro life President and, for awhile, control of Congress. Was there an attempt to go after Roe v Wade..or even serious discussion of the same by this administration? Even Pro-life Republicans like me know that repealing Roe v Wade would split "the base", kill our party, and never happen. The "debate" now is about late-term abortion and those "born alive" babies. My ardently pro-choice friends and I finally have something about abortion we can all agree on. Obama is way too far "Left" on this. These two ardent Pro-choice women are supporting McCain. If you support those things, Obama is your guy. I'm pro-choice on Sex Ed. The problem is where the schools and the "state" want to teach my child seculat values that conflict with MY FAMILIES religious or moral values. Secularism has become as potent a "faith" as any. I do not want it in school. I don't want teachers "dissing" our family beliefs in school anymore than you want Catholic dogma taught in school. They are pushing certain secular points of view. I want THAT choice for my family to be mine. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 4 2008, 10:31 AM Post #49 |
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This repealing Roe v Wade nonsense reminds me of a memorable put down I once received from an Italian tailor here in town. I thought I had sent him four pairs of my husband's slacks for alteration, and was hyper when only two were returned. After listening to my panicked rhetoric for some time..he looked at me disgustedly and said.."Lady, nobody gonna steal-a your husbands pants." |
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| duke09parent | Sep 4 2008, 11:43 AM Post #50 |
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Joan, I have always loved your ability to draw examples from your life to make a point. I copied all your essays on the Hoax for my own little file. Your point on most Repub women being pro-choice is surprising to me. Practically, though, Repub women couldn't prevent reversal of Roe any more than a minority bloc in the Senate since a President who has that intent with Scotus appointments cannot really be prevented if the candidate is otherwise qualified. Well, yeah, he's named John Roberts. Your point about scare tactics in political ads is completely correct. Both parties do it and I find it annoying as hell. Apparently they're effective, though. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 4 2008, 12:09 PM Post #51 |
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I should, in interest of credibility, say most R-women "of my acquaintance" are pro-life.. I am a real minority. I get out a bit too...active in my community though not an "organizer." I can only speak of my own experience. Even one of my daughters has abandoned me. I'm not sure of the other...if I bring the subject up ...her answer is "Whatever, Mom." I just don't think that's an scenario (repeal of Roe v Wade) that is any longer a possibility. IMO, of course. Each of us has something we fear. Perhaps yours is Choice. Mine revolves around what we saw happen in the Duke frame. The political suppression of all truth and reason, mainly, in my opinion to placate certain voting blocs or left wing sensibilities. I see the expansion of the term "hate speech", I see the Justice Dept (in a Republican administration) popping up to investigate nooses and High school brawls, and I see "hate crimes" recognized of ONLY citizens of one hue. I see a presidental candidate trying to criminalize questions about his past. Pushing for "fairness" doctrine when we've seen SO WELL how "fair" the media the Left controls is now. Any more "FAIRNESS" and there is no opposing thought at all. I see this growing. Is THIS the change you want? I do NOT see groundswells of people who want Roe v Wade overturned growing. I see a Leftist push to silence opposition. Guess we will vote our fears. |
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| Concerned | Sep 4 2008, 12:29 PM Post #52 |
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http://www.takecaredownthere.org/#/watch/threesom/ http://www.takecaredownthere.org/#/watch/hot-and-heavy/ Watch some of these videos from Planned Parenthood. From a series called, "Take Care down there." They are pretty explicit in their sex education. I would not want my kids watching this. |
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| duke09parent | Sep 4 2008, 12:36 PM Post #53 |
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Not so much really, despite my posts about it here the last couple of days. I don't even fear reversal of Roe so much because even that just throws it back to the state legislatures and most states would retain abortion rights for most situations. I'm really more fearful of the police state features of the Patriot Act and Homeland Security. Both parties apparently want them and that depresses met a lot. I'm not even all that fearful at the two choices for the election. Each has strengths and weaknesses and I don't think either will be a disaster (or a saviour). "Choice" is probably the tipping point for me away from McCain toward Obama. But it might also be a desire to reject Bush policies and punish the Repub party for his transgressions. Hell, it might even be a desire to purge my soul of my vote for GWB against Gore 8 years ago. |
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| brittany | Sep 4 2008, 12:38 PM Post #54 |
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My fear is Obama being elected. Not talking riots, but what our country will become. |
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| Concerned | Sep 4 2008, 12:41 PM Post #55 |
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Now here's a scare tactic: Being an elementary school student and all the kids telling you that if John F. Kennedy wins President, we'll all have to go to school on Saturday! (Showing my age, ha). |
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| Deleted User | Sep 4 2008, 01:01 PM Post #56 |
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Are you able to take a dispassionate view of the situation we witnessed close up in Durham and North Carolina? Do you see no parallel in the rhetoric on the side pushing for Innocents to go to trial and the rhetoric of the Left which is Obama's base? Can you reassure me? For eight years, Bush has been ridiculed, demeaned, reviled...his assassination has been called for by certain folks on the Left. But discussion of any connection between Ayers and Obama...just discussion.... has the Obama campaign,,,the official campaign ...calling for the Justice Dept. That kid at NCCU said "even if innocent, they should stand trial." Editor Ashley said the kids should welcome a trial to" prove their innocence." Duke felt three Innocents on trial was best for their brand. This is the Left. This is not Homeland Security. This is turning the our country into a banana republic with political show trials. Does THAT not concern you at all. Have you been here for all these months and not understood the essence of this political frame? Many are angry at Bush. What CHANGE are you willing to risk for "payback?" |
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| Deleted User | Sep 4 2008, 01:37 PM Post #57 |
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Great questions, Joan. Considering what we have seen of the left, we must ask ourselves if these people can be trusted with absolute power (power in the White House and Congress). It would not be long before people like the 88 would be running this country. We already have a very biased media. Now imagine no information alternatives. This is a momumental election and voters should look in their hearts and see what they value most. We have real enemies - not imagined ones like some on the left would have us believe. I believe if we care about this nation, our communities and our families, the choice is clear. |
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| LTC8K6 | Sep 4 2008, 01:44 PM Post #58 |
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Yes, inflict Barack Obama and Joe Biden on the country because you are mad at George Bush... |
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| Deleted User | Sep 4 2008, 01:49 PM Post #59 |
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What I felt...just as an outsider in this case...was the frustration of the suppression of all logic and truth to meet political "needs." The truth was there. We were all looking at the same facts. But the power of the state, "the Richest Daddy of Them All" was used to prevent the truth from reaching a wider audience. The Left controls the MSM. Who, after the Duke Frame and the Palin family scourging denies that? They cannot be trusted to not enable a State run by their Leftist comrades in arms. They cannot be counted on to bring Truth to power if the power is the Leftist model they are pushing. So there would be no MSM to challenge a leftist Obama government. They have already talked about pushing through the Fairness Doctrine. How far will they take this? Radio, yes. Okay, another avenue of dissention falls. No MSM, no radio. What about the Internet? Can an Obama Congress redefine "hate speech" to include the objections we have raised here to say, the NCNAACP "Case Description?" Why not? Do you doubt if they might have silenced the blogs during the Dan Rather fiasco or the Duke Frame...do you think REALLY they would NOT have? A commentator asks questions about the Obama/Ayers connection and the Campaign wants the Justice Dept invoved? This does not trouble you? Biden is quoted as saying there may well be trials for the Bush administration. Like some banana repiblic, we will begin jailing oppositional leaders...till citizens fear opposing the Ruling Faction at all. Do you hate Bush enough to start that as a model in the U.S.? http://wjno.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=244038&article=4190828 And you are angry at Homeland Security? About loss of privacy and rights? What is the potential here? Tell me where I'm wrong , and assure me, with examples please , that WHAT I SAW in Durham and N.C....I need not fear from the Left when they control the Presidency, Congress, the Media, the Radio, the Internet, the Justice Dept, and 1/2 of a divided court (God knows what in a few years.) Please show me how I'm wrong. |
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| Deleted User | Sep 4 2008, 03:05 PM Post #60 |
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Any comfort from dissenters? |
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Joan, I have always loved your ability to draw examples from your life to make a point. I copied all your essays on the Hoax for my own little file. 
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