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For Every Stoic Was a Stoic
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Joan Foster	Sep 10 2015, 06:25 AM Post #1
Posts: 13,199 Group: Global Moderators Member #427 Joined: Jan 8, 2009	Quote by Ralph Waldo Emerson: “FOR EVERY STOIC WAS A STOIC BUT WHERE IN CHRISTENDOM IS THE CHRISTIAN?' I read the article (posted below) this morning and it brought Emerson's quote to mind. You know, in many ways Obama, Reid, Pelosi et al have so much more "honor" than any of the Establishment Republican leaders. They may be wrong headed, activist "Socialists" or whatever...but, by God, they are activists. They have agendas in mind and they are willing to lie, cheat, ignore Laws, override the Constitution...whatever...to advance those agendas. The "honor" is in the way they keep faith with the voters who support those agendas. You think cops are racist? Holder will swoop in, agitators will follow, media will track down any incident in from NYC to Twinkyville, Nebraska. Obama will speak out. Funerals will be attended....high administration officials standing with the grieving Mothers. They are ALL IN. From Campus "rape" with the Mattress Girl being promendaded to the SOTU by a sitting Senator...to the Confederate Flag uproar after the tragedy of the Church shootings. They never let a tragedy go to waste. They work tirelessly for their agendas and the voters that wish them to do so. Lucky Lefty voters. Then there's us.... What R. Senator took Collin, Reade, or Dave to the SOTU as a shoutout to the corruption of political correctness from campus to courthouse ...or to highlight the outrage of prosecutorial abuse? What group of R. politicians appeared en masse at the funeral of the young woman murdered by an illegal in San Francisco in a show of solidarity to that tragedy and that issue? Who arranged a "million Vet rally" of all those mistreated by the odious farce of a VA...maybe in front of the Viet Nam War Memorial....or brought the widows of those who died waiting to be seen...as their "dates" to State dinners? Imagine every R. walking into Obama's White House with a Vet widow/widower on his or her arm? Never happen. You know why these things aren't being done? Not because there aren't people creative enough on the R. Side to think of these things...but because the Establishment R's have no principles that they care that much about. They are just not that into us. They are not really the Party of No...they are the Party of Nothing. The party of the Status Quo, Fake Fighting, grandstanding and pandering...they work for Wall Street and the Chamber of Commerce. They have lied to us as much as Obama has ...but the outrage is...THEY OWE US. We are the ones that have kept them in their jobs. We bring them to the dance over and over...and they leave us to stand around like Wallflowers. In an election year, OMG...its vital that we seat an R. Majority in Congress. Oh my! the things they will do for us!! Then, ole Mitch tells us the other day...can't do a dad-blame thing for you because we have a Dem President. Maybe you should have told us that BEFORE we turned out to save your freakin job!!! It doesn't even embarrass them to say these things. Elections over. We mean nothing to them till the next time. The true Conservatives are the battered wives of the R. Party...the "jackasses" as Boehner called Cruz. The Leadership despises them because they won't shut up and "fake fight" like the Leadership wishes them to do. Horrors....they actually want to challenge the system, stand on principle! DO SOMETHING! Keep faith with their constituency! What we have in Washington is Dem activists and Republican "actors"....and they never intended to do a damn thing about Obamacare, Iran, illegal immigration, the VA, Isis, spending, etc etc etc. Republican Leadership has no burning principles that fire them up the way the Democrats do...well, nothing except keeping their own jobs and their own snouts in the trough. They have no real principles, no fire...no honor. Anyway...here's the article that set me off this AM. Count me as one of those voters who will not vote for any Establishment R. Ever...Ever ...Ever again. I will vote for Cruz, Fiorina, Carson, or Trump. I will support no Senator or Rep that is a Zombie for McConnell or Boehner. Whatever Trump is...and however obnoxious some of his comments may be...he has fire and authenticity..something sorely lacking in leadership in the dishonest Fake-Fighters of today's Republican Party. I've been standing here, seduced and abandoned, with my empty dance card for years. Even one twirl around the dance floor by Trump would be an improvement at this point. "Chris McDaniel ran for the United States Senate as a Republican. He won the Republican Primary in Mississippi, but was thrown into a runoff against Thad Cochran, the incumbent. During the runoff, the Republican Party in Mississippi and Washington pulled out all the stops to stop McDaniel. They assailed outside conservative groups as malevolent influences in the Republican Party. They used friends in the news media to attack conservatives who strayed from the party line. The National Republican Senatorial Committee was particularly spiteful with both their outside consultants and inside communications team, led by Brad Dayspring, attacking anyone and any group that strayed from Thad Cochran. They assailed Ted Cruz, who at the time was even a co-chair of the NRSC. The extent to which the GOP was willing to play for keeps — largely to keep a gravy train of government waste and greed rolling — was eye opening to many conservative activists. When Governor Rick Perry hired Henry Barbour, the nephew of Haley Barbour and one of those orchestrating the Cochran defense, many conservative activists turned from Perry and never went back. When Scott Walker tossed Liz Mair, but stood by his Super PAC’s hiring of Brad Dayspring, conservative activists fled him too. Many of those activists decided the party that burned them needs to be burned down. They are prepared to show as much grace and mercy to the GOP as the GOP showed them in 2014. As Scott Brand noted in National Journal’s Hotline today, Not a single incumbent senator lost a 2014 primary, and very few in the House did either. But that win-loss record masked primary results showing incumbents—especially Republicans—weakened across the board. More and more incumbents have gotten pulled into competitive primaries since 2010. Before that time, around three-quarters of House Republicans won renomination with at least 90% of the vote. Now, only about half clear 90% support in a primary, while the share who fail to reach even 60% has risen dramatically. — Especially in the Senate, the challengers who held the likes of Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-TN) to less than 50% of their primary vote were not considered top-tier challengers. But Joe Carr (R) and others managed to capture a seething outsider, anti-establishment and turn it into significant primary support. Despite financial disadvantages, they raised “threshold money”—enough to run viable campaigns. Brand does not even mention McDaniel, but McDaniel’s name comes up repeatedly in conversations with conservative activists who have gone to Trump. They have concluded the GOP does not give a damn about them, so they do not give a damn about the GOP. The chickens are coming home to roost for the GOP now. They played for keeps. They won the battle. But it is looking more and more like they are losing the war. The funniest thing about it though is that they do not realize it and do not want to realize it. It’s not like they could do anything differently anyway. They are quite happy to have Thad Cochran in office and think if they just ignore Trump he will go away. To be sure, he might, but so will a lot of voters the GOP needs. Edited by Joan Foster, Sep 10 2015, 06:54 AM.



kbp	Sep 10 2015, 06:39 AM Post #2
Posts: 52,053 Group: Tier1 Member #20 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	The GOP establishment did not even try to hide what they were doing after the last election was over.



Mason	Sep 10 2015, 07:01 AM Post #3
Parts unknown Posts: 29,637 Group: Tier1 Member #476 Joined: Jun 2, 2009	. We gave the Prisoners at Gitmo soccer fields and replaced the Librarian (I'm not joking) with a Muslim Librarian. The FBI training manual was given to Muslim leaders to edit. Yet, they wanted a ChristiN woman in some corner Prosecuted for her beliefs over marriage. Have you noticed the Media has not discussed the Value in electing a Trump? In regard to changing corrupt DC.- letting the Dukes of Waahington know they have been found out. The Democrats have no opposition party. Pelosi, Biden, Hillary are all idiots - but with tbe Media fhey control the Republican Party. Obama's Foreign Policy has set the world on an ugly course - and the debt and fig leaf policy to prop up Obama is lurking like a killer asteroid. Obama said last week that Obamacare is a wild success, and is working even better than he envisioned. There was no pushback from any corner to his bald faced lies. Edited by Mason, Sep 10 2015, 07:09 AM.



Joan Foster	Sep 10 2015, 05:56 PM Post #4
Posts: 13,199 Group: Global Moderators Member #427 Joined: Jan 8, 2009	A good friend sent me this response: There are, in my view, compelling structural reasons to so act. The worldwide struggle for a governing ideology has been between Communism and the DOI/ Constitution of the American Founding. In the early 1900s, some Americans questioned the Founding principles ability/suitability to then current times. Since Communism would not win elections, and Socialism did poorly, people hunted for a label that would work - hence Progressivism came into being with Woodrow Wilson. Four more Presidents - FDR, LBJ, Clinton, and O - have transformed the USA into what we now have: a post-Constitutional, Progressive/ Socialist state. All five found that they could achieve their ideology by corrupting the Founding from within - no label for it was even necessary. Hillary is driven/ animated by becoming the 6th of these activist lions. Simultaneously, the D and R Parties together erected substantial, substantive barriers to entry for a third Party. While the barriers apply at the Local and State levels, they are most rewarding at the federal level - 50 states are needed, and then the electoral college awaits. Therefore, as the D Party over the last 100 years embraced and actively implemented the Progressive ideology, the R Party embraced.... what ideology? R was not a full-throated, passionate public embrace of the Founding ideology and the concomitant full-throated, passionate public difference of it to Progressivism, the label the D's didn't want to use. Worse, the R party became a home for people who enjoyed being a career politician without having the impediment at every election of being held to any governing ideology. The R Party, federally, stands for nothing save reelection of its members. The R Party has richly earned being defunded and losing voters, awaiting the change that comes with finally hitting bottom. Perhaps this election will be a turning point.



Quasimodo	Sep 10 2015, 07:04 PM Post #5
Posts: 38,135 Group: Tier1 Member #17 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	Quote: What R. Senator took Collin, Reade, or Dave to the SOTU as a shoutout to the corruption of political correctness from campus to courthouse ...or to highlight the outrage of prosecutorial abuse? That would have been an excellent idea! Both to highlight the problem, and to bolster the restoration of reputations.



Quasimodo	Sep 10 2015, 07:05 PM Post #6
Posts: 38,135 Group: Tier1 Member #17 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	Maybe Senator Dole would have thought of it...



foxglove	Sep 11 2015, 02:31 AM Post #7
Posts: 6,542 Group: Tier1 Member #69 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	The leftist Dems have no Republican establishment opposition because the leftist dems are working toward consolidating power, wealth and control for the highest elites. The Republican establishment is not going to oppose that consolidation and it is essentially a fake opposition. Media, money or fear will assure the opposition will be fake. The Dems have made it clear they have no standards. How do the people address the fact the Dems have no standards? Edited by foxglove, Sep 11 2015, 02:38 AM.



cks	Sep 11 2015, 04:41 AM Post #8
Posts: 12,677 Group: Tier1 Member #445 Joined: Mar 1, 2009	It is hard to know which is worse - a political party that refuses to fight for what it purports to believe or a political party that has beliefs but lies, cheats, steals and God knows what else to obtain its goals and retain power.



Quasimodo	Sep 11 2015, 08:46 AM Post #9
Posts: 38,135 Group: Tier1 Member #17 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	Quote: http://sultanknish.blogspot.com Thursday, September 10, 2015 This is the America We Live in Now Posted by Daniel Greenfield (snip) This isn't America. It's just the occupied space where its culture used to bee. It's a depersonalized culture of personalities. Its frivolity inversely proportional to the despair of its consumers. But it's also the America we live in now. It is the arrogance of its rulers, the mindless maze of their minds and the inner despair of their hearts. Politics and pop culture are only a few of the mirrors of that despair. The Weimar Germany cabaret pop stars celebrating the end of an empire with the destruction of its culture and the politicians glorying in their liberation from any common covenants and lawful limitations are symptoms. There is still a nation under the shadow of that despair struggling to be reborn, but it does not know how. Its culture is occupied. Its lines of communication are hijacked by frauds and crazies. It has learned that its good intentions count for nothing and so it has learned despair instead. This is the America we live in now. Its common currency is contempt. Hope was a fraud. Hate is real. Every enemy of social justice destroyed makes the world a better place. Anger is righteous.Knowledge is meaningless. 9/11 has no place in this world. It's a puzzle piece that doesn't fit between the cat videos and the Kardashians. There's way to social justice it up. It's the elephant in the room. Steel and fire. A rain of ash. Falling corpses. People fleeing past coffee places. Panicked cops shouting wildly. (snip) There have always been many Americas, but they are infinitely fragmenting. The culture that aspires to bond them together has become an insane egotistical monster trying to survive its own crippling insecurities with the personal destruction of others. Millions walk away from it, but have nowhere to go. They tell their own isolated stories on islands of social media, scrawl things on walls and howl at the night. They feel a sense of infinite loneliness at the nation and the culture coming apart. This is the America we live in now. We don't have to give in to despair. If we do, we are lost. Lost the way that the left is lost. Lost the way that the Muslim world is lost. We are not savages and feral children. We are the inheritors of a great civilization. It is still ours to lose. It is ours to keep if we understand its truths. We are not alone. A sense of isolation has been imposed on us as part of a culture war. The task of reconstructing our civilization and ending that isolation begins with our communication. We are the successors of revolutions of ideas. We need to do more than keep them alive. We must refresh them and renew them. And, most importantly, we must practice them. We are not this culture. We are not our media. We are not our politicians. We are better than that. We must win, but we must also remember what it is we hope to win. If we forget that, we lose. If we forget that, we will embrace dead end policies that cannot restore hope or bring victory. What we have now is not a movement because we have not defined what it is we hope to win. We have built reactive movements to stave off despair. We must do better than that. We must not settle for striving to restore some idealized lost world. Instead we must dream big. We must think of the nation we want and of the civilization we want to live in and what it will take to build it. Our enemies have set out big goals. We must set out bigger ones. We must become more than conservatives. If we remain conservatives, then all we will have is the America we live in now. And even if our children and grandchildren become conservatives, that is the culture and nation they will fight to conserve. We must become revolutionaries. We must think in terms of the world we want. Not the world we have lost. This is the America we live in now. But it doesn't have to be. Edited by Quasimodo, Sep 11 2015, 08:48 AM.



chatham	Sep 11 2015, 10:42 AM Post #10
Posts: 28,174 Group: Tier1 Member #308 Joined: May 2, 2008	Hope and change. I will fundamentally change America.



Baldo	Sep 11 2015, 10:47 AM Post #11
Posts: 59,988 Group: Global Moderators Member #45 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	chatham Sep 11 2015, 10:42 AM Hope and change. I will fundamentally change America. This is the country of QVC, HSN, late night infomercials, pop up ads which have as the purpose to create demand to sell you products you don't need. They have created a world where you can't fix anything, even if it is not broken



LTC8K6	Sep 11 2015, 11:17 AM Post #12
Assistant to The Devil Himself Posts: 28,896 Group: Tier1 Member #15 Joined: Apr 28, 2008	The Unlearned Lessons of 9/11 If experience is the teacher of fools, class is still in session. http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/260043/unlearned-lessons-911-bruce-thornton



Mason	Sep 11 2015, 05:01 PM Post #13
Parts unknown Posts: 29,637 Group: Tier1 Member #476 Joined: Jun 2, 2009	. Notice how it's now woven through the fabric of Republicans in power - and running for Prez - that you are only good if you ship other people's money (via the Central Gov't) to people to allow them to immigrate and come here - and be Anti-American here. The truth is the irreponsible, out-of-control spending is going to make a lot of our grandkids slaves. This crazy spending will usher out every last bit of Freedoms, and what will the World be like without America. . Edited by Mason, Sep 11 2015, 08:09 PM.



Mason	Sep 12 2015, 01:15 AM Post #14
Parts unknown Posts: 29,637 Group: Tier1 Member #476 Joined: Jun 2, 2009	. Far, far more Senate Republicans have come out to criticize Donald Trump than Hillary Clinton! There is no opposition party and people don't understand that. The strategy is appearing to oppose their buddies, from time to time. .



Joan Foster	Sep 12 2015, 07:23 AM Post #15
Posts: 13,199 Group: Global Moderators Member #427 Joined: Jan 8, 2009	This whole charade about the Iran vote. They were so in on it. They got exactly the result they and Obama wanted. They put all their energy into thinking up cover stories. Being a Republican these days is like being married to a Alcoholic. You give him all the grocery money, and every time he comes home empty-handed with another sob story. But he smells of booze.



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