| Obama's Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal; What is he doing? | |
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| kbp | Jun 11 2015, 06:59 AM Post #16 |
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I'm left thinking the GOP majority of the House and Senate may leave us about where we were under the Dem majority control. |
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| kbp | Jun 11 2015, 08:22 AM Post #17 |
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This one is hard to swallow. The big secret we'll find out about after our pocketbooks are on the table. As I'm understanding it, this secret fast-tracking allows the executive branch to set climate control standards, adjust immigration restrictions (or approvals), wave foreign subsidy limits (China!!)... and Congress must pass a law to void any agreement the executive branch negotiated... IOW, it is pre-approval for Barry to do as he pleases. The transformation... The new standard of living is going down and both sides of the isle in Congress are happy to redistribute our wealth throughout the world ...the issue is evidently worldwide income inequality. It's like the big plan is to share and the transition phase will have middle class income dropping, and as more drop below middle class they'll add entitlements to fund the transition to a lower standard of living we must grow accustomed to. ...a provision that would direct aide to workers who lose their jobs as a result of new international trade agreements.  From what we know of in these secret laws they're working so hard to pass, I have to ask WTH is in it for the PEOPLE??? . Edited by kbp, Jun 11 2015, 08:25 AM.
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| LTC8K6 | Jun 11 2015, 08:36 AM Post #18 |
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It's been a disaster, imo. We can really see that now. All those rinos have come back to haunt the country. |
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| kbp | Jun 11 2015, 08:47 AM Post #19 |
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It's looking like they had to add a 3rd law to pass to provide a solution to the original law they hope to pass. Are they providing us cause and Is this a cure for a planned disaster? |
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| longstop | Jun 11 2015, 09:07 AM Post #20 |
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MUST LISTEN: Mark Levin interviews Jeff Sessions on ObamaTrade deal http://therightscoop.com/must-listen-mark-levin-interviews-jeff-sessions-on-obamatrade-deal/ |
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| Baldo | Jun 11 2015, 11:07 AM Post #21 |
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DC is a cesspool of money hungry leeches who will do anything to spend money to line their own pockets and that of their supporters. They need their reach into our pockets & that of our children & their children to be smacked down. It's all about power to control money. |
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| Baldo | Jun 11 2015, 07:03 PM Post #22 |
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White House launches frantic campaign to save trade deal President Barack Obama and his aides launched a full-court press to save his trade package on Thursday, as House Democrats’ internal struggles pushed Obama’s top legislative priority perilously close to defeat. As Obama made phone calls to reluctant Democrats from the White House, Chief of Staff Denis McDonough, Treasury Secretary Jack Lew and Labor Secretary Tom Perez went face-to-face with trade opponents including AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka in a testy closed meeting on Capitol Hill. http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/house-democrats-vote-trade-bill-unfair-fast-track-barack-obama-118892.html What strange bedfellows!  |
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| foxglove | Jun 11 2015, 08:58 PM Post #23 |
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/paul-ryans-pelosi-esque-obamatrade-moment-its-declassified-and-made-public-once-its-agreed-to/ Paul Ryan’s Pelosi-Esque Obamatrade Moment: ‘It’s Declassified And Made Public Once It’s Agreed To’ |
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| foxglove | Jun 11 2015, 09:03 PM Post #24 |
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/jeff-sessions-issues-final-critical-alert-obamatrade-just-like-amnesty-obamacare/ Sessions then wrote how fast-track authority is “the action that empowers the President to put America’s name on the deal sitting in that walled-off room—before a page of it has been shared with the public.” From there, Sessions went straight after Ryan. In a Ways and Means document on the new Pacific Union being formed by Obama, the Committee hints at some of this union’s powers: ‘if a proposed change to a trade agreement is contemplated [by the TPP Commission] that would require a change in U.S. law, all of TPA’s congressional notification, consultation, and transparency requirements would apply. In other words, Ways and Means is intimating that this new secret Pacific Union would function like a third house of Congress, with legislative primacy, sending changes to the House and Senate under fast-track procedures (receiving less legislative procedure than, for instance, Post Office reform). Moreover, this legislative fast-track, Ways and Means implies, is limited to that which requires a ‘change in U.S. law’—meaning if this President (or the next) argues it is simply an executive action, not a legal action, the Executive could have a free hand to implement the Commission’s decrees without Congress. This is not merely a loophole; this is purposeful delegation of congressional authority to the Executive and to an international body. The fast-tracked implementing legislation would have the ability to make these delegations binding as a matter of law. Sessions noted too how both on the House and Senate sides, amendments that would have specified “Congress retains exclusive legislative authority, and to actively prohibit foreign worker increases” were blocked by Obamatrade promoters. Some, including Rep. Steve King (R-IA) 79% , have fallen victim to a phony solution backed by Ryan that wouldn’t fix the problem because it would be an amendment to future legislation that has no guarantees of ever becoming law. “Fast-track supporters have tried to temper concerns about the formation of this transnational union, and the subsequent Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) and Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA) that would also be pre-approved through fast-track, by adding additional “negotiating objectives” via a separate customs bill,” Sessions said. The negotiating objectives are not binding, are not meaningfully enforceable, and no individual lawmaker can strike any provision which violates them. Fast-track keeps what congressional authority is left in the hands of the revenues and Rules committees. Under the Ways and Means ‘solution,’ TPP, TTIP, and TiSA could establish broad goals for labor mobility (allowing Ways and Means to say the negotiating objectives about ‘requiring’ or ‘obligating’ certain changes has not been violated) and the President would then implement those changes through executive action, or change our laws through fast-track. Sessions noted next how Ryan’s so-called “negotiating objectives” are useless. “Negotiating objectives are, by design, not explicit or realistically enforceable,” Sessions said. They include such bromides as saying it must be the goal of the White House “to ensure that trade agreements reflect and facilitate the increasingly interrelated, multi-sectoral nature of trade and investment activity,” and “to recognize the growing significance of the Internet as a trading platform in international commerce.” It stretches the outer bounds of logic to contend that a President who happily disregards the Constitution will be bound to obey a series of broad “negotiating objectives”—especially when those objectives come with a promised surrender of congressional power. Sessions then cited DiMicco again, and argued that this Obamatrade deal is not “free trade.” Finally, it must be observed that this is not a “free trade” deal. It is, as Daniel DiMicco explained, a ‘unilateral trade disarmament’ and ‘the enablement of foreign mercantilism,’ whereby we open our markets to new foreign imports and they keep their non-tariff barriers that close their markets to ours. President Obama refuses to answer questions about the impact on unemployment, wage stagnation, and trade deficits. He refuses because the answer is all three will get worse. For instance, a study published in the Wall Street Journal showed that—due to barriers to U.S. auto exports—the deal would increase foreign transportation imports over our exports by nearly four-fold. Sessions closed his statement by arguing that this deal would further erode American sovereignty and economic strength worldwide, and that’s why establishment Republicans in Washington are trying so hard to rush it through to final passage before Americans know what’s in it. He noted too that this is just like Obamacare and the Senate’s “Gang of Eight” amnesty bill all over again. Americans have seen their sovereignty, economic position, and political power erode. They have seen that power transferred to an elite set who dream of writing rules in foreign capitals, unburdened by the concerns of the ordinary citizen. To read the trade agreement is to know that, if Congress adopts the fast-track, it will have preapproved a vast delegation of sovereign authority to an international union, with growing powers over the lives of ordinary Americans. Like the Gang of Eight, like Obamacare, and so much else—the goal is to get it approved before the American people know what’s in it. |
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| foxglove | Jun 11 2015, 09:07 PM Post #25 |
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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/jeff-sessions-issues-final-critical-alert-obamatrade-just-like-amnesty-obamacare/ "... Sessions then wrote how fast-track authority is “the action that empowers the President to put America’s name on the deal sitting in that walled-off room—before a page of it has been shared with the public.” From there, Sessions went straight after Ryan. In a Ways and Means document on the new Pacific Union being formed by Obama, the Committee hints at some of this union’s powers: ‘if a proposed change to a trade agreement is contemplated [by the TPP Commission] that would require a change in U.S. law, all of TPA’s congressional notification, consultation, and transparency requirements would apply. In other words, Ways and Means is intimating that this new secret Pacific Union would function like a third house of Congress, with legislative primacy, sending changes to the House and Senate under fast-track procedures (receiving less legislative procedure than, for instance, Post Office reform). Moreover, this legislative fast-track, Ways and Means implies, is limited to that which requires a ‘change in U.S. law’—meaning if this President (or the next) argues it is simply an executive action, not a legal action, the Executive could have a free hand to implement the Commission’s decrees without Congress. This is not merely a loophole; this is purposeful delegation of congressional authority to the Executive and to an international body. The fast-tracked implementing legislation would have the ability to make these delegations binding as a matter of law. Sessions noted too how both on the House and Senate sides, amendments that would have specified “Congress retains exclusive legislative authority, and to actively prohibit foreign worker increases” were blocked by Obamatrade promoters. Some, including Rep. Steve King (R-IA), have fallen victim to a phony solution backed by Ryan that wouldn’t fix the problem because it would be an amendment to future legislation that has no guarantees of ever becoming law. “Fast-track supporters have tried to temper concerns about the formation of this transnational union, and the subsequent Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) and Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA) that would also be pre-approved through fast-track, by adding additional “negotiating objectives” via a separate customs bill,” Sessions said. The negotiating objectives are not binding, are not meaningfully enforceable, and no individual lawmaker can strike any provision which violates them. Fast-track keeps what congressional authority is left in the hands of the revenues and Rules committees. Under the Ways and Means ‘solution,’ TPP, TTIP, and TiSA could establish broad goals for labor mobility (allowing Ways and Means to say the negotiating objectives about ‘requiring’ or ‘obligating’ certain changes has not been violated) and the President would then implement those changes through executive action, or change our laws through fast-track. Sessions noted next how Ryan’s so-called “negotiating objectives” are useless. “Negotiating objectives are, by design, not explicit or realistically enforceable,” Sessions said. They include such bromides as saying it must be the goal of the White House “to ensure that trade agreements reflect and facilitate the increasingly interrelated, multi-sectoral nature of trade and investment activity,” and “to recognize the growing significance of the Internet as a trading platform in international commerce.” It stretches the outer bounds of logic to contend that a President who happily disregards the Constitution will be bound to obey a series of broad “negotiating objectives”—especially when those objectives come with a promised surrender of congressional power. Sessions then cited DiMicco again, and argued that this Obamatrade deal is not “free trade.” Finally, it must be observed that this is not a “free trade” deal. It is, as Daniel DiMicco explained, a ‘unilateral trade disarmament’ and ‘the enablement of foreign mercantilism,’ whereby we open our markets to new foreign imports and they keep their non-tariff barriers that close their markets to ours. President Obama refuses to answer questions about the impact on unemployment, wage stagnation, and trade deficits. He refuses because the answer is all three will get worse. For instance, a study published in the Wall Street Journal showed that—due to barriers to U.S. auto exports—the deal would increase foreign transportation imports over our exports by nearly four-fold. Sessions closed his statement by arguing that this deal would further erode American sovereignty and economic strength worldwide, and that’s why establishment Republicans in Washington are trying so hard to rush it through to final passage before Americans know what’s in it. He noted too that this is just like Obamacare and the Senate’s “Gang of Eight” amnesty bill all over again. Americans have seen their sovereignty, economic position, and political power erode. They have seen that power transferred to an elite set who dream of writing rules in foreign capitals, unburdened by the concerns of the ordinary citizen. To read the trade agreement is to know that, if Congress adopts the fast-track, it will have preapproved a vast delegation of sovereign authority to an international union, with growing powers over the lives of ordinary Americans. Like the Gang of Eight, like Obamacare, and so much else—the goal is to get it approved before the American people know what’s in it. |
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| kbp | Jun 11 2015, 09:42 PM Post #26 |
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I'm not going to post what I want to say. |
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| chatham | Jun 11 2015, 09:46 PM Post #27 |
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The Chinese are telling Obama how to handle this and to pass it. Especially f we still want their money too keep us in the fake black. The Chinese are getting ready to make their currency the world currency. The are accumulating the gold to back it up.
Edited by chatham, Jun 11 2015, 09:47 PM.
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| dsl | Jun 11 2015, 10:18 PM Post #28 |
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The proverbial frog has been placed into the proverbial pot, and the heat is being slowly turned up, so that before the frog can jump out, the deal will be sealed, and American sovereignty will be no more. Again. I have heard some say that there are traitors among us. That is a hard thing to say or even watch How can this be? |
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| longstop | Jun 11 2015, 11:05 PM Post #29 |
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Scott Walker Pushes Obamatrade On Eve Of Vote http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/scott-walker-pushes-obamatrade-on-eve-of-vote/ |
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| Baldo | Jun 12 2015, 12:35 AM Post #30 |
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Sarah Palin Facebook post The secretive, hugely impacting Obamatrade deal is another behind-closed-doors fast-tracked D.C. deal that screams "don't pass it 'til we know what's in it!" Yet politicians are going along to get along, supporting Obama's pet project while ignoring the public's right to know what's in this monumental international trade deal. This, despite the President's track record proving he hasn't got it in him to put American workers first. If Congress hands this secretive deal to Obama on a silver platter, admitting to not even reading it first, then shame on us for letting another one slide. This is fast-tracked, friends. Like Obamacare, when we sounded warning bells but too many were too busy to pressure their employees (your elected politicians) to do the right thing and learn it first. Since when is Congress able to halt any bullying administration's fast-track deals? They never have before. Didn't we learn last time? ------ Blood In The Water: 34 Courageous Conservatives Wound Obamatrade On Way To Final House Vote A whopping 34 courageous conservative Republicans shocked the political world on Thursday by severely wounding—and nearly killing—Obamatrade on a purely procedural vote. The vote, which nearly failed and would have ended Obamatrade right there, was a necessary procedural hurdle—a rule—that was must-pass for Obamatrade to make its way to the House floor for final consideration on Friday. What’s more, the nearly successful effort to kill Obamatrade—which has been lobbied heavily for by House GOP leadership, particularly the program’s chief architect Ways and Means Committee chairman Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) means that there’s blood in the water around Obamatrade everywhere in the eleventh hour....snipped http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/11/blood-in-the-water-34-conservatives-wound-obamatrade-on-way-to-final-house-vote/ Edited by Baldo, Jun 12 2015, 12:38 AM.
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