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| chatham | Jan 10 2015, 05:28 PM Post #631 |
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Some kids move away from home to experiement with morals. Some dont know what morals are because their parents dont know what morals are. I will add a but here. I do talk to high school kids in the local area who are working part time, going to school and getting good grades. Some might even play sports. My take home lesson from them is they see themselves as having some type of moral thought as to what is right and what is wrong and how to approach certain situations. Most expect to be successful. Most are the millennials. Most dont know anything about the daily activity of government as reported in the MSM. Most know the MSM is not to be trusted. Most are libertarian. Most want to be left alone to become something better than their parents. Some know they will not be successfaul as their parents and they also know they will have a life. Something that is missing with their family. They are focuseed on their future knowing it wont be all that good.....unless they end up doing something about it. Might be good ir mnight be bad but it will be theirs. |
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| abb | Jan 12 2015, 12:37 PM Post #632 |
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http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/12/cops-say-nothing-happened-at-uva-frat-ac?n_play=54b3f97be4b0031dbb1b71ed Cops Say Nothing Happened at UVA Frat Accused of Gang Rape, But Who Really Cares? Robby Soave|Jan. 12, 2015 11:40 am The University of Virginia reinstated its chapter of Phi Kappa Psi—the fraternity where Jackie claimed to have been gang raped, according to Rolling Stone—after the cops failed to find evidence that the horrible crime actually occurred. The fraternity's national organization has reinstated it as well, effective immediately. According to the press release: The reinstatement resulted after consultation with Charlottesville Police Department officials, who told the University that their investigation has not revealed any substantive basis to confirm that the allegations raised in the Rolling Stone article occurred at Phi Kappa Psi. U.Va. President Teresa A. Sullivan informed fraternity officials of the decision to reinstate the chapter’s Fraternal Organization Agreement with the University after learning of the update to the police investigation. “We welcome Phi Kappa Psi, and we look forward to working with all fraternities and sororities in enhancing and promoting a safe environment for all,” U.Va. President Teresa A. Sullivan said. That's it? No apology? No, sorry about our huge mistake and rush to judgment? Keep in mind that the false accusation had consequences for the Phi Psi house, which was vandalized by angry students after Rolling Stone's story broke. UVA President Teresa Sullivan caved to public pressure to make some display of force against the frat; I would think she should be more contrite, since she was dead wrong. For what it's worth, frat officials don't sound too upset: “We believe that in the midst of this ordeal, there is an opportunity to move forward with important safety improvements. This has prompted us to take a closer look at ourselves and what role organizations like ours may play in this problem. It’s opened all of our eyes to the problem of sexual assault,” Scipione said. “Now it’s time to do something about it. As a fraternity, we are going to continue discussing that need in the coming weeks.” Well, it's always a good time to do something about sexual assault, although it's weird to think this was the event that made Phi Psi aware of the problem, since its members weren't responsible; if something happened to Jackie, it wasn't at Phi Psi. And there is good reason to doubt that Jackie underwent an ordeal that closely resembled her claim—all evidence in her favor has been debunked, even as the likelihood of a pre-planned deception on her part continues to grow. But in any case, Phi Psi will become the first UVA fraternity to sign the new "Fraternal Organization Agreement" with the university administration. The pact obligates Greek organizations to baby-sit their guests and puts restrictions on what kinds of alcohol they can serve. Frat bedrooms will now be guarded. It's not surprising that a pack of overbearing bureaucrats are peddling dubious safety requirements based in Victorian sexual morality—legislating morality and covering people in bubble wrap are two of their favorite things. The only surprise here is the timing. In a sane world, this would be an occasion for the angry villagers to lower their pitchforks and discuss the biases and processes that led them to the wrong conclusions. But the angry villagers seem undeterred. I suppose that's what makes them angry villagers. For too many people, it was always the agenda that mattered, not the truth. |
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| abb | Jan 12 2015, 12:37 PM Post #633 |
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https://news.virginia.edu/content/phi-kappa-psi-reinstated-university-virginia Phi Kappa Psi Reinstated at the University of Virginia January 12, 2015 The Virginia Alpha Chapter of Phi Kappa Psi fraternity at the University of Virginia has been reinstated effective immediately, University and Phi Kappa Psi national officials announced today. The reinstatement resulted after consultation with Charlottesville Police Department officials, who told the University that their investigation has not revealed any substantive basis to confirm that the allegations raised in the Rolling Stone article occurred at Phi Kappa Psi. U.Va. President Teresa A. Sullivan informed fraternity officials of the decision to reinstate the chapter’s Fraternal Organization Agreement with the University after learning of the update to the police investigation. “We welcome Phi Kappa Psi, and we look forward to working with all fraternities and sororities in enhancing and promoting a safe environment for all,” U.Va. President Teresa A. Sullivan said. Last Tuesday, Sullivan authorized new addenda to the University’s Fraternal Organization Agreement that were submitted by the four student-led Greek leadership councils. The new addenda outline specific practices that each fraternity and sorority will put in place to enhance the safety of their members and guests. Sullivan also announced the immediate reinstatement of all social activities, with the stipulation that the FOA addenda must be signed by the president or designee from each fraternity and sorority by Jan. 16. Phi Kappa Psi became the first fraternity to sign the Inter-Fraternity Council’s FOA addendum on Jan. 8. “In today’s 24-hour news cycle, we must guard against a rush to judgment as we often don’t have all of the facts in front of us,” said Stephen Scipione, president of the Virginia Alpha Chapter of Phi Kappa Psi. Members of Phi Kappa Psi participated in the development of the new IFC Fraternal Organization Agreement addendum designed to create a safer student environment on Grounds. “We believe that in the midst of this ordeal, there is an opportunity to move forward with important safety improvements. This has prompted us to take a closer look at ourselves and what role organizations like ours may play in this problem. It’s opened all of our eyes to the problem of sexual assault,” Scipione said. “Now it’s time to do something about it. As a fraternity, we are going to continue discussing that need in the coming weeks.” The fraternity has been at the University since 1853 and currently has more than 800 alumni across the country. About the Author Media Contact: Anthony P. de Bruyn University Spokesperson Office of University Communications adebruyn@virginia.edu 434-924-1400 Brian Ellis Phi Kapp Psi Brian.ellis@padillacrt.com 804-512-4797 |
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| abb | Jan 12 2015, 12:41 PM Post #634 |
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http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2015/01/university-reinstated-phi-kappa-psi-after-police-investigation-shows-little-evidence Phi Kappa Psi reinstated after investigation finds no 'substantive basis' for Rolling Stone allegations After suspending activities in November, chapter became the first to sign on to new FOA regulations by Andrew Elliott | Jan 12 2015 | 3 hours ago ns-phipsi-TB The Cavalier Daily Phi Kappa Psi fraternity house. Photo by Thomas Bynum Read the full press release from the Virginia Alpha Chapter of Phi Kappa Psi here. Updated 12:20 p.m. This article was updated to include information from Charlottesville Police Captain Gary Pleasants that the investigation is still ongoing. Updated 11:30 a.m. This article was updated to include a press release from the Virginia Alpha Chapter of Phi Kappa Psi. The University chapter of Phi Kappa Psi was officially reinstated by both the University and the national Phi Kappa Psi fraternity organization, the University announced in a press release Monday morning. “The reinstatement resulted after consultation with Charlottesville Police Department officials, who told the University that their investigation has not revealed any substantive basis to confirm that the allegations raised in the Rolling Stone article occurred at Phi Kappa Psi,” according to the release. Charlottesville Police Captain Gary Pleasants said the investigation into the incident is still ongoing, but that no evidence indicates Phi Kappa Psi should continue to be under sanction. “We are looking at the allegations in their totality,” he said, adding that investigators have not yet made a determination about the accuracy of the incident as a whole. He said police hope to conclude their investigation in a couple of weeks, and they will not disclose more specifics about their investigation until that time. The chapter voluntarily suspended its activities in November, after allegations in a Rolling Stone article that the fraternity was involved in a gang rape of a first-year student in September 2012. After the article’s publication, University President Teresa Sullivan requested Charlottesville Police investigate the alleged attack. The accuracy of the article has subsequently been called into question and friends of the first-year student, Jackie, have noted several discrepancies between what they remember of the assault and how it was portrayed in Rolling Stone. "Their investigation has not revealed any substantive basis to confirm that the allegations raised in the Rolling Stone article occurred at Phi Kappa Psi. Brian Ellis, spokesperson for the Virginia Alpha Chapter of Phi Kappa Psi, said the national chapter did not have direct contact with police, but heard about the findings after Sullivan met with investigators last week. Additionally, he said members of the University chapter met with investigators and provided them information they obtained during an internal investigation — the findings of which were released last month. National members offered guidance during the internal investigation, which found that no member of the fraternity was employed at the AFC at the time and there was no party at the house on the night documented in the Rolling Stone article, but the majority of the investigation was handled by University chapter members. The fraternity became the first to sign on to a new Fraternal Organization Agreement Jan. 8, which includes new regulations about how University fraternities will conduct parties by mandating sober brothers at each fraternity function, along with requiring guest lists and restricting the type of alcohol that can be served. In a press release from the Virginia Alpha Chapter, Stephen Scipione, Phi Kappa Psi University chapter president and third-year College student, said the chapter was relieved police cleared the organization of involvement in the incident. “In today’s 24-hour news cycle, we all have a tendency to rush to judgment without having all of the facts in front of us,” he said. “As a result, our fraternity was vandalized, our members ostracized based on false information.” He added that the local chapter will participate in the University-wide effort to improve student safety. “This has prompted us to take a closer look at ourselves and what role organizations like ours may play in this problem,” he said. “It’s opened all of our eyes to the problem of sexual assault. Now it’s time to do something about it.” |
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| Quasimodo | Jan 12 2015, 01:30 PM Post #635 |
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Nailed it. (Could be added to Duke's motto, too... "It's the agenda that counts, not the truth.") |
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| Foxlair45 | Jan 12 2015, 03:39 PM Post #636 |
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Is that lying little wench still at UVA? |
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| LTC8K6 | Jan 12 2015, 04:20 PM Post #637 |
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Assistant to The Devil Himself
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Are the Sober Brothers then responsible if anything gets past them? |
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| LTC8K6 | Jan 12 2015, 04:22 PM Post #638 |
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Assistant to The Devil Himself
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Maybe they are investigating Jackie? Nah...
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| abb | Jan 12 2015, 04:56 PM Post #639 |
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http://time.com/3663956/uva-rape-frat-rules-rolling-stone/ Why UVA’s New Frat Rules May Not Make Much Difference Eliza Gray @elizalgray 3:07 PM ET The University of Virginia has proposed new rules for its fraternity system after the uproar that broke out both on and off campus following a controversial magazine story late last year that depicted a brutal gang rape at a frat house. The new rules include some strong reforms like the elimination of kegs and hard-alcohol punch. But the nature of the relationship between the university and the fraternities, many of which are privately owned, may make the rules hard to enforce. The individual Greek organizations have until Friday to agree to the new rules. If they don’t, they risk losing formal affiliation with the university—the one bit of leverage UVA administrators have over the fraternities. Under the new rules, fraternities must furnish a minimum of three “sober brother monitors,” at parties, who must wait at each alcohol distribution point as well as the stairs leading to the residential bedrooms. Beer must be served unopened in the original can, pre-mixed punches would be prohibited, wine must be poured out of a bottle by a sober brother, and hard alcohol can only be served at large parties by a hired bartender licensed by the Virginia Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control. A privately contracted security guard would also have to stand outside the front door and check names off a guest list. The new rules come after UVA briefly suspended social activities at all fraternities on campus following the publication of an article in Rolling Stone that included a detailed account of a horrific rape that allegedly happened at a UVA fraternity. The story has since been found to have significant inconsistencies. After the Washington Post and other outlets identified problems with the story, Rolling Stone issued an apology and promised to investigate further. On Monday, UVA announced that it would reinstate the fraternity in the story, Phi Kappa Psi, after the Charlottesville Police failed to find any “substantive basis” to confirm the gruesome events described in the story. Despite the inconsistencies in the article, UVA has decided to go ahead with fraternity reform. Though UVA President Teresa Sullivan was careful not to single out Greek organizations as the main culprits in the problem of sexual assault on campus during an interview with TIME last year, the rules do reflect a slightly softer version of the reforms she favored. “The days of the trash can full of punch have to be over,” she told TIME. Nonetheless, it appears that UVA may not be doing much to enforce the reforms—a reflection of the tricky nature of governing private organizations on campus. According to ABC News, UVA spokesman Anthony de Bruyn said the university would not provide staff to monitor the fraternities to because they are privately owned. De Bruyn did not respond to TIME’s request for comment. The lack of formal monitoring raises questions as to whether the reforms will have any teeth. |
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| abb | Jan 12 2015, 04:57 PM Post #640 |
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Irin Carmon: Discredited Rolling Stone UVa. Rape Story Merely 'Disputed' By Ken Shepherd | January 12, 2015 | 4:36 PM EST Covering Phi Kappa Psi's University of Virginia chapter's reinstatement, MSNBC.com's Irin Carmon steadfastly refused to describe the Rolling Stone story which dragged the fraternity through the mud with what is now obvious is a thoroughly discredited story. Although Charlottesville police investigated and found no evidence whatsoever to substantiate that a gang rape occurred in the Phi Kappa Psi house back in September 2012, as alleged in Sabrina Rubin Erdeley's story, Carmon describes Erdeley's article as merely "disputed" in points of fact rather than thoroughly "discredited" (emphasis mine): With a green light from the Charlottesville Police Department, the University of Virginia has reinstated Phi Kappa Psi, the fraternity named in a disputed Rolling Stone article as the site of an alleged gang rape. That fraternity, like all others at the university, will abide by new rules intended to prevent sexual assault. The university said in a press release Monday that the decision was made “after consultation with Charlottesville Police Department officials, who told the University that their investigation has not revealed any substantive basis to confirm that the allegations raised in the Rolling Stone article occurred at Phi Kappa Psi.” The investigation has not yet concluded, and the police have said little about its progress. News organizations, including The Washington Post, have raised questions about the accuracy of the magazine’s reporting, with several key parties saying they had not been contacted by Rolling Stone and disputing its account. In December, two Columbia Journalism School deans said they had agreed, at Rolling Stone’s request, to conduct an ”independent review of the reporting and editorial decision making that led to the publication of its recent story on sexual violence at the University of Virginia.” While it is true that an independent investigation is ongoing, we do know that a) Psi Kappa Phi did NOT have a social function at its house the night Erdeley alleges in her Rolling Stone story. b) Contrary to the allegation of "Jackie" in the Rolling Stone story, no member of Psi Kappa Phi was employed at the University of Virginia's Aquatic and Fitness center. c) The name of one of Jackie's alleged rapists - Haven Monahan -- appears to be a complete fabrication. Everything about him seems to be made up out of thin air, including his phone number (via Reason.com; emphasis mine): We now know the "real" given name of Jackie's date on the evening of her alleged rape, September 28, 2012: Haven Monahan. Jackie claimed that Monahan was an older student who had taken an interest in her. Prior to September 28th, Duffin, Stock, and Hendley had pressed Jackie for details about this mysterious love interest. She gave them several different cell phone numbers for Monahan, and they corresponded with him. He eventually sent a picture of himself. Many of his messages contained not-so-subtle hints that Jackie had (unrequited) feelings for Duffin. We now know that no one named Haven Monahan attended UVA. The phone numbers aren't even real—they redirect back to an internet service that allows people to send texts without having actual phone numbers. And the picture is of a former high school acquaintance of Jackie's who never attended UVA and spent no time in Charlottesville that year. This strongly implies, of course, that Jackie sent the messages herself. The Daily Caller's Chuck Ross has gathered compelling evidence—including an interview with Duffin himself—that Jackie may have been trying to make Duffin sympathetic to her or develop feelings for her. Source URL: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2015/01/12/irin-carmon-uva-rape-story-merely-disputed-not-discredited |
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| abb | Jan 12 2015, 04:58 PM Post #641 |
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UVA Phi Psi Chapter Submits To New ‘Safety’ Rules Based On Crime It Didn’t Commit Posted By Jim Treacher On 2:15 PM 01/12/2015 In | 1 Comment Hey, there’s only so much you can do to speak up for people who’ve been wronged. If they’re not willing to stand up for themselves, they’ve lost my sympathy. Rolling Stone made a false rape accusation, it’s been thoroughly debunked, and now the falsely accused are saying to UVA President Teresa Sullivan: “Thank you, ma’am, may we have another?” The estimable Chuck Ross reports: The University of Virginia fraternity at the center of a gang-rape accusation made in a Rolling Stone article published in November has been reinstated by the school after police investigators found no evidence that the assault occurred at the fraternity’s house… “The reinstatement resulted after consultation with Charlottesville Police Department officials, who told the University that their investigation has not revealed any substantive basis to confirm that the allegations raised in the Rolling Stone article occurred at Phi Kappa Psi,” according to a press release at UVA Today… “We welcome Phi Kappa Psi, and we look forward to working with all fraternities and sororities in enhancing and promoting a safe environment for all,” Sullivan said in a statement. The reinstatement comes after Sullivan’s decision last week to put in place guidelines aimed at improving safety for students at Greek-life events… “We believe that in the midst of this ordeal, there is an opportunity to move forward with important safety improvements. This has prompted us to take a closer look at ourselves and what role organizations like ours may play in this problem. It’s opened all of our eyes to the problem of sexual assault.” They need to improve safety, you see, because of the ordeal that never happened. No apology for putting these guys through this. No apology for suspending the entire Greek system because of an unfounded accusation in a now-discredited magazine. No apology for the vandalism of the Phi Psi house. Just: “You’re welcome. Now, here are the new rules you will follow, as punishment for your imaginary crimes.” Rolling Stone wins. Sabrina Erdely wins. The rape-hoax truthers win. They lied to get what they wanted, and now they have it. You took the deal, boys. You had a chance to stand up to these liars, and you just grovelled for the chance to get your house back. As a Phi Psi alum, I’m done with you. Good luck getting back your reputations. (Hat tip: Robby Soave) Article printed from The Daily Caller: http://dailycaller.com URL to article: http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/12/uva-phi-psi-chapter-submits-to-new-safety-rules-based-on-crime-they-didnt-commit/ |
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| Payback | Jan 12 2015, 05:09 PM Post #642 |
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How dare you speak of the President of a great University that way!
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| Payback | Jan 12 2015, 05:10 PM Post #643 |
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Please use our full title: SOBER BROTHER MONITORS. Thank you. |
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| abb | Jan 12 2015, 08:43 PM Post #644 |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/13/us/uva-fraternity-reinstated-after-rolling-stone-article-on-rape.html Fraternity At Center Of Inquiry Is Reinstated By JENNIFER STEINHAUERJAN. 12, 2015 The University of Virginia, after receiving guidance from the local police, on Monday reinstated the fraternity at the center of a Rolling Stone magazine article that detailed gang rape allegations that later came into question. “We welcome Phi Kappa Psi, and we look forward to working with all fraternities and sororities in enhancing and promoting a safe environment for all,” Teresa A. Sullivan, the president of the university, said in a statement. The November article in Rolling Stone detailed a student’s account of a 2012 gang rape at Phi Kappa Psi and quickly became a flash point for the increasingly high-profile issue of sexual misconduct on college campuses. After the article, Dr. Sullivan suspended all fraternities through the end of the year and contacted the Charlottesville Police Department to request a criminal investigation. But the account of the student, identified only as “Jackie,” started to crumble as various people and news organizations began to investigate it, and her friends contested details. Rolling Stone then published a note to readers from Will Dana, the managing editor, stating, “In the face of new information, there now appear to be discrepancies in Jackie’s account, and we have come to the conclusion that our trust in her was misplaced.” While the Charlottesville police are still investigating the assault claims and will be for a few weeks, a spokesman for the department, Capt. Gary Pleasants, said that officials “agreed with U. Va. that Phi Kappa Psi could be reinstated.” The fraternity also agreed to comply with new university rules on alcohol use. Last week, Dr. Sullivan authorized addenda on alcohol use to the university’s Fraternal Organization Agreement that fraternities must sign by midmonth. The changes ban kegs of beer and pre-made mixes of liquor and punch — often served to young women at parties — at fraternity parties. Further, at least one fraternity member is supposed to refrain from drinking at the functions, in keeping with a trend on campuses that bystanders play a bigger role in preventing sexual assault. Wine may be served “upon request,” according to the document, if “poured visibly at the bar by a sober brother.” Fraternities must also provide bottled water. Should violations be brought to the university’s attention, ”the dean of students office will investigate, and any appropriate next steps would be based upon the details of each case,” a spokesman, Anthony P. de Bruyn, said. Revised alcohol policies are a “subject that is getting more attention,” said Jim Ryan, the head of the labor and employment division of the New York law firm of Cullen & Dykman and an expert on Title IX law governing these issues. “It’s the next wave to deal with sexual assault because a lot of these cases arise after drinking.” Over the last year, colleges have been focusing more on getting better at complying with existing federal laws regarding sexual assault. Last year, the White House released guidelines that increased the pressure on them to combat sexual assaults more aggressively and began releasing the names of colleges and universities under investigation for their handling of sexual assault complaints. Congress is also looking at legislation to address the issue. For the fraternity members in question, who had been largely silent since the first days after the Rolling Stone report, the news is a bit of vindication. “In today’s 24-hour news cycle, we must guard against a rush to judgment as we often don’t have all of the facts in front of us,” Stephen Scipione, president of the university’s chapter of Phi Kappa Psi, said in a statement. On Monday, university officials emphasized that under-age drinking was not condoned on campus and that the revised fraternity agreement “clearly indicates that adherence to federal, state, and local laws is required,” Mr. de Bruyn said. Mr. Ryan said that stringent alcohol policies really worked only in conjunction with “detailed sexual misconduct policies that also address the effects of alcohol.” “President Sullivan’s requirement of having sober brothers at fraternity events is a great idea in theory,” he said. “However, this requirement is effectively worthless if students do not know what type of conduct constitutes sexual misconduct.” |
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| MikeZPU | Jan 12 2015, 09:00 PM Post #645 |
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We also know that her friends thoroughly dispute her story. She never said anything about a gang rape to them AND she lied about her conversations with these friends. In fact, the truth is they wanted her to go the police, and she refused to. She totally lied about the conversations that she had with her friends. She is a big-time liar. |
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