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UVA Rape Story Collapses; Duke Lacrosse Redux
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kbp

Inconvenient facts...

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/rsavcaf9513pr.cfm
RAPE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT HIGHER AMONG COLLEGE-AGE NONSTUDENT FEMALES THAN FEMALE COLLEGE STUDENTS IN 1995–2013
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Dec 14 2014, 04:04 PM
Inconvenient facts...

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/press/rsavcaf9513pr.cfm
RAPE AND SEXUAL ASSAULT HIGHER AMONG COLLEGE-AGE NONSTUDENT FEMALES THAN FEMALE COLLEGE STUDENTS IN 1995–2013
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This does not surprise me at all.
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Joan Foster
Dec 14 2014, 12:22 PM
Hats off to you, Quasi! Terrific article!
Bill at his best, Quasi at his best. All it takes is a Hoax outraging public decency followed by non-apology apologies.
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http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=235&sid=32755244&title=friends-say-they-pushed-uva-jackie-to-call-cops

Friends say they pushed UVA 'Jackie' to call cops
December 14, 2014

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Virginia (AP) — Three friends of an alleged victim of a gang rape at a University of Virginia fraternity house told The Associated Press that a magazine article that used the woman's attack to paint a picture of a culture of sexual violence on college campuses was wrong on a number of key points: most important that they didn't encourage her to report the attack and that they were more concerned about their reputations than her well-being.

One of the friends, a 20-year-old, third-year student referred to as "Randall" in the Rolling Stone article but whose real name is Ryan Duffin, told the AP that not only did he encourage the alleged victim to go to police, but he started to dial 9-1-1 — the number for the emergency police dispatcher — on his cellphone until she begged off saying she just wanted to go back to her dorm and go to sleep.

"I couldn't help but notice that everything that the article said about me was incorrect," Duffin said.

The Rolling Stone article set off an intense debate about sexual violence, alcohol, fraternities, and journalism ethics.

The Associated Press also spoke with the other two friends portrayed in the article: third-year, 20-year-ld U.Va. students Kathryn Hendley and Alex Stock, known as "Cindy" and "Andy" in the article. None of the three friends was contacted by the Rolling Stone's reporter, Sabrina Rubin Erdely, before the article was published; each of them rejected multiple assertions made in the article, which has since been retracted.

All three say Erdely has since reached out to them, and Hendley told the AP that Erdely apologized to her for portraying her the way she did.

The three friends say they continue to work on correcting the record about what happened that night, and at least one, Duffin, wonders to what extent he believes the victim's own version of what happened — or whether any discrepancies in her story matter.

"People at U.Va. want answers just as much as I do," Duffin says. "But if anything, the takeaway from all this is that I still don't really care if what's presented in this article is true or not because I think it's far more important that people focus on the issue of sexual assault as a whole."

Other news media have also interviewed the friends but this is the first time that Duffin has allowed his full name to be used.

A lawyer representing the victim, who has been identified only as "Jackie," has declined several requests by the AP to interview Jackie and did not immediately respond to a request for comment for this article; the AP does not typically name alleged victims of sexual assault.

The Rolling Stone article, published last month, described a culture of sexual violence hiding in plain sight at U.Va. The article has roiled the campus and caused a huge backlash, with U.Va. suspending fraternity activities until January, the Board of Visitors appointing an independent investigator to look into the allegations and the university handing the case over to the Charlottesville police.

The main focus of the piece is an alleged gang rape that Jackie said happened on Sept. 28, 2012, during her first semester on campus. In the article, she said she had gone out on a date with a classmate named "Drew," who later that night lured her into a secluded room at a fraternity house. Once inside the room, she said, she was raped by a group of seven fraternity brothers while her date and one other man watched.

As described in the Rolling Stone article, a distraught Jackie in a bloody dress met her three friends at a picnic table in the shadows of the fraternity house and tearfully told them what had happened.

While the article said Duffin suggested they take her to the hospital, it described Stock and Hendley as carrying on a heated discussion about what would happen to her reputation and theirs should word get out.

"Detached, Jackie listened as Cindy prevailed over the group: 'She's gonna be the girl who cried rape, and we'll never be allowed into any frat party again," the article said.

However, Hendley told the AP that not only did she not say any of that, but that she had arrived with Stock to the picnic table only to have Jackie say she didn't want her to be part of the conversation. She said she watched from afar while Stock and Duffin talked with Jackie.

Stock confirmed this account.

As described by Duffin to the AP, this is what happened: He had returned home from a party when he got a call from Jackie. He left to meet her and she was sitting on the top of a picnic table outside U.Va.'s Tuttle-Dunnington dorm. She was shaking and "it looked like she had been crying."

Jackie eventually told Duffin her version of what she said had happened that night: that she was gang raped at a fraternity house. He said his first reaction was to call the police and he prepared to dial the emergency dispatcher.

"But she didn't want to and," he remembers thinking, "'I can't do that if she doesn't want to do it.'"

Stock corroborated this version of events.
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Dec 13 2014, 03:17 PM
http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2014/12/another-victim-of-story.html/

Another victim of story

Letters to the Editor Email comments@dallasnews.com
Published: December 13, 2014 2:02 pm


Re: “A Horrific Failure — Rolling Stone fiasco hurt women, journalism,” Tuesday Editorials.

Your editorial identifies two victims of Rolling Stone’s article on an alleged gang rape at the University of Virginia: the magazine’s integrity and sexual assault victims. It conspicuously omits the most direct victim: the UVa fraternity that was falsely accused of actively encouraging gang rape as a fraternity function.

That fraternity has been vilified and vandalized as a result of the demonstrably false accusations in the story. Similarly, Rolling Stone apologized to “anyone who was affected by the story,” but noticeably failed to apologize to the direct victim: the falsely accused. This shows that an accusation as horrible as gang rape taints perceptions of the accused so badly that they will not be considered innocent even after the accusation completely unravels.

John Helms, Dallas
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"People at U.Va. want answers just as much as I do," Duffin says. "But if anything, the takeaway from all this is that I still don't really care if what's presented in this article is true or not because I think it's far more important that people focus on the issue of sexual assault as a whole."


But what about the falsely-accused?




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Joan Foster
Dec 14 2014, 12:22 PM
Hats off to you, Quasi! Terrific article!
:toast: hat tip to Quasi! :kerritip:

Really well-written, making VIP points.

I want to email it directly to Sullivan.

Can you imagine, as a parent, you're paying that damn school
something like $50K per year, for an azzhat President who couldn't
see that that goofy story was made up? Didn't question it at all?

She threw your son under the bus and made him scramble to
get off-campus or risk getting hurt, as well as scorned and ridiculed?
and then she won't even apologize?

She really thought she had a team of monsters like that as students
who got accepted to UVA? Even her friends were more worried about
their social status than having her report a gang-rape on a floor
with shattered glass everywhere?

The hell with Sullivan.
Edited by MikeZPU, Dec 14 2014, 10:20 PM.
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Sullivan and Brodhead are cut of the same bolt of cloth. Now, what will be interesting is to see if the UVA BOT has some spine.
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nyesq83
Dec 13 2014, 01:52 AM
It occurs to me that Matt Taibbi's reportage must be viewed with suspicion now, as well
I would concur wholeheartedly with what you are saying. I have no respect whatsoever for Taibbi and have no doubt that he has made up some things.

Furthermore, many of his sources are federal prosecutors and regulators who already are known for lying with impunity. Taibbi, like Erdely and others at Rolling Stone are ideologues who have a hard-left agenda of State control of individual lives. Everything is political with them.

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My most recent article on the UVA situation and the whole "campus rape" debate. I'll be writing more on this thing later. (First, I have papers and exams to grade this week!)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/12/william-l-anderson/anti-boyism-on-campus/

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My most recent article on the UVA situation and the whole "campus rape" debate. I'll be writing more on this thing later. (First, I have papers and exams to grade this week!)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/12/william-l-anderson/anti-boyism-on-campus/



"And that is exactly what modern Progressives want: show trials. Their language may be couched in terms that reflect due process and fairness, but their motives are much darker and only lead to tragedy."

Yep.

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Dec 15 2014, 06:45 AM
My most recent article on the UVA situation and the whole "campus rape" debate. I'll be writing more on this thing later. (First, I have papers and exams to grade this week!)

http://www.lewrockwell.com/2014/12/william-l-anderson/anti-boyism-on-campus/

:bill:

Anyone think this rewrite of events in the Congo wouldn't be believed in a nano-second by some people?


"Their retreat was haphazard and chaotic. The soldiers frat brothers were embarrassed, angry, upset and out of control; their commanders had disappeared and the battalion and regiment structures had disintegrated.

When they arrived in Minova on campus they were drunk, hungry and violent. The locals suffered two nightmarish days of looting, rape and murder before the army frat restored some discipline among its troops.

Hundreds of women were raped. It is impossible to accurately state the number of cases as victims often fail to come forward, fearing that their communities and even their husbands will reject them, but hospital director Dr Ghislain Kassongo said he dealt with well over 100 women with rape-related injuries after the army rampage"
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/14/here-are-eight-campus-rape-hoaxes-eerily-like-the-uva-rape-story/print/
Here Are EIGHT Campus Rape Hoaxes Eerily Like The UVA Rape Story
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Assistant to The Devil Himself
http://gotnews.com/breaking-video-emilyrenda-discuss-jackies-fake-rape-senate-hearing-end-due-process-rights/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gotnewsdotcom+%28Got+News%29

BREAKING VIDEO: #EmilyRenda Discusses #Jackie’s Fake Rape at Senate Hearing To End Due Process Rights
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LTC8K6
Dec 15 2014, 10:03 AM
An excerpt of her written testimony on record given to Congress:
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