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| Quasimodo | Dec 14 2014, 08:36 AM Post #376 |
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| abb | Dec 14 2014, 09:22 AM Post #377 |
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December 14, 2014 Apology needed in UVa rape hoax scandal By R.B. Parrish The first thing President Teresa Sullivan of the University of Virginia needs to do in the wake of what now appears to be a faux rape scandal is to apologize to the victims – that is, to the members of Phi Kappa Psi, who have been vilified, forced to move off campus into motels, and suffered suspicions even from family members and close friends. That would be the human and moral response. That Sullivan will not do so is nearly as certain as the chance of her taking false accusations as a matter that needs university attention. This is for two reasons. First, there is no public traction in calling for false accusations to be stopped. There is no PC-approved party line on the issue, so there is no mileage there. No one else would second her; there would be no faculty resolutions, no candlelight vigils held outside the chapel. A vendor would go broke stocking up on T-shirts with slogans like "Don't rush to judgment!" or "Stop accusing!" No sports team could don them before flashing lights. (Yet what cause is more noble, or needed, than standing up on behalf of the innocent? Ask Dreyfus, the Scottsboro boys, Steven Pagones, or the Duke lacrosse players.) President Sullivan will doubtless be advised to keep silent to maintain plausible deniability – to position herself on a detached peak from which she can proffer high-minded and critical advice about today's alleged rape crisis. The cultural mavens will applaud her, and she will appear blameless. She needed to compose and ironclad response, so she made it clear she is against rape and sexual assault. There will be nothing to criticize her for – she is innocent, except that she didn't wade down into the murky waters and join the rescue effort when her help was needed. But what now of the actual victims of these accusations? There is a lot of discussion about how the latest false rape claims (Dunham, UVa) may affect the war on rape culture. But who considers the effect on the falsely accused? Dostoyevsky put the following words into the mouth of the holy monk Zossima, in his Brothers Karamozov: You pass by a little child, you pass by, spiteful, with ugly words, with wrathful heart; you may not have noticed the child, but he has seen you, and your image, unseemly and ignoble, may remain in his defenseless heart. You don't know it, but you may have sown an evil seed in him and it may grow, and all because you were not careful before the child, because you did not foster in yourself a careful, actively benevolent love. The fraternity brothers' outlook on the world has been shattered. Their faith in the system, in the integrity their university as their alma mater, in the role model of a university president, is now tainted. Their trust in authority and the media is shaken. What seeds has that planted? The balm would be an apology. They might then hope again that truth can win out in this world as well as the next, that justice has a place in governance. Without it, cynicism may replace faith and optimism. Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2014/12/apology_needed_in_uva_rape_hoax_scandal.html#ixzz3LskOBLJL Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook |
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| Quasimodo | Dec 14 2014, 09:33 AM Post #378 |
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[gotta love editors... as originally penned, just for the record... omissions in green]
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| abb | Dec 14 2014, 09:57 AM Post #379 |
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/12/12/uva-gang-rape-accusers-friend-shares-new-details-in-interview/ - The Daily Caller - http://dailycaller.com - UVA Gang-Rape Accuser’s Friend Shares New Details In Interview Posted By Chuck Ross On 6:18 PM 12/12/2014 In | No Comments Tweet When Ryan, a University of Virginia student — described in the widely-discredited Rolling Stone article on campus rape as “Randall” — told Jackie he was not interested in pursuing a romantic relationship with her in September 2012, he says “it did not go over very well.” “There was a lot of crying involved,” Ryan told The Daily Caller in an interview on Friday of the conversation with Jackie after she expressed interest in dating him during the fall semester of their freshman year. Ryan has become a central figure in Jackie’s claim — published in Rolling Stone last month — that she was brutally gang-rape by seven members of Phi Kappa Psi fraternity on Sept. 28, 2012. The story, reported by Sabrina Rubin Erdely, sent shock-waves through the UVA campus and sparked a national dialogue about campus sexual assault, though it has now fallen apart nearly completely. Ryan, along with “Andy” — whose real name is Alex Stock — and “Cindy” — whose real name is Kathryn Hendley — came to Jackie’s aid on the night the attack allegedly occurred. But all three have come forward now discrediting both Jackie’s story and Erdely’s reporting. Jackie’s crush on Ryan became a point of interest after it came to light in a Wednesday report from The Washington Post, raising speculation that Jackie may have perpetuated a scheme to gain his attention. Asked whether that could have motivated Jackie to perpetuate a false story, Ryan told TheDC “It’s a definite possibility.” “I’m not sure where I stand [on that],” he added. Jackie’s story, as reported by Erdely, caused an immediate and strong response. UVA president Teresa Sullivan shut down all Greek-life activity, and the Phi Kappa Psi house was vandalized during the backlash. Despite the school’s knee-jerk response to the article, Ryan said that he first came into contact with UVA administrators only after he reached out to them earlier this month, nearly two weeks after the article first appeared. He said that when he approached UVA’s dean of students about the incident, he says he was directed to Charlottesville police. He was interviewed by investigators once for about an hour, he said. Because of Jackie’s romantic interest in him, Ryan, who does not want to share his last name because he doesn’t want to harm future job prospects, has become perhaps the key figure among the three friends who came to Jackie’s aid on the night of the alleged rape. He is the person Jackie called after the incident allegedly occurred. Ryan recounted the beginning weeks of that fall semester, saying that he, Jackie, Stock and Hendley struck up a fast friendship after meeting during orientation before the semester began. “A lot of people said it looked like we had been friends a lot longer,” Ryan said of the four-person crew. She was also quite open about her crush on him, Ryan said. “She was quite forward about it,” he claims. After Ryan told Jackie he was only interested in being friends, Jackie began talking about about a third-year student she said had a crush on her. (RELATED: UVA Gang Rape Story Falls To Pieces, Rolling Stone Admits It Was Fooled) Jackie gave the three friends the student’s number. They began exchanging text messages with the man and were sent a picture of him. The man discussed how attractive he thought Jackie was. But then the man began sending messages to the three friends lamenting the fact that Jackie had lost interest and instead had a crush on a first-year student from her chemistry class. (RELATED: Students Come Forward To Poke More Holes In Virginia Co-Ed’s Gang Rape Story) Ryan told TheDC that the trio exchanged messages with the mystery man “out of curiosity” and because Jackie seemed to be hesitant about him. They wanted to check him out. Despite claiming to not be interested, Jackie and the man were set to go on a date on the night that the alleged rape occurred. But it now appears that that man never existed. When the friends searched university records for the student, they found no evidence that he went to UVA. And the man in the picture turned out to be a high school classmate of Jackie’s. When reached by The Post he said that he barely knew her back then and that he had not been to Charlottesville in six years. Ryan, who said he believes that he was the first-year chemistry student Jackie mentioned in the text messages, says that he never called the phone number of the man but told TheDC that the matter is being investigated, though he did not specify by whom. The mystery man was a glaring embellishment from the story Jackie told Erdely. In that version, Jackie claimed that she had gone on a date with a third-year named “Drew” who she knew from her job as a lifeguard at the school’s swimming pool. “Drew,” supposedly a member of Phi Kappa Psi, took Jackie back to his fraternity house, she claimed. There, he took her up stairs where seven other men were laying in wait. Painted in the article as a part of an initiation ritual, Jackie said that the men took turns raping her while “Drew” and another man watched and provided instruction. One of the men raped Jackie using a bottle, she said. Jackie claimed that after the rape, she left the party, bloodied and beaten, and called the three friends. According to Jackie, the trio came to her aid but talked her out of seeking help or from going to the hospital. They were more concerned with Jackie’s reputation and their own social status at the school. In Erdely’s telling, “Randall” — Ryan — refused to comment on the events that unfolded that night, citing allegiance to his own fraternity. But when they spoke to The Post and to ABC News, the trio said that on the night in question Jackie never said she was gang-raped at a fraternity party. She instead said that she had been forced to give oral sex to five men while another one looked on. The three friends also denied that they tried to dissuade Jackie from seeking help. And Ryan says that he has never been in a fraternity. Jackie’s story changed at another point as well. Emily Renda, a sexual assault activist who met Jackie last year, said that Jackie initially told her that she had been gang-raped by five men. Months later, that number had grown by two. After questions began being raised over the veracity of the Rolling Stone piece, Jackie reportedly gave the name of another man she said was “Drew.” That man also said that he had never been on a date with Jackie and that he barely knew her. Ryan also disputes Erdely’s claim that she reached out to him for comment. Since Erdely has gone underground as her article is being torn to shreds, she has not said how she tried to contact Ryan or any of the other students mentioned in the article. It could be that someone posing as Ryan responded to Erdely’s request for comment and mentioned the allegiance to his fraternity. Or it could be that Erdely never reached out. The latter would not be surprising since Erdely also failed to contact any of the men Jackie said raped her. The reporter was cagey when asked the question in interviews after the piece was published, but later said that she did not contact the men at the request of Jackie, who said she was afraid of the men. Ryan told TheDC that he last saw Jackie a year-and-a-half ago at a fast-food restaurant where they made small talk. He maintains that focus of all of this should be put on raising awareness of sexual assault at colleges. “I would like the discussion to move more towards the issue of sexual assault in general,” said Ryan. He also says, as many others have argued, that “more fact-checking should have been involved” on Rolling Stone’s end. The magazine has mostly avoided addressing the numerous problems with the article. While Ryan thinks that the university has moved in the right direction of addressing sexual assault on campus, he says that he thinks Sullivan’s decision to shut down Greek life at the school “was a knee-jerk reaction.” “It feels like it was appeasement to the media,” he said. Numerous calls to the home of Jackie’s parents, where she is reported to be staying, were not answered. Erdely has also not responded to repeated requests for comment. Alex Griswold contributed to this report. |
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| Quasimodo | Dec 14 2014, 10:03 AM Post #380 |
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Is that how a university president is supposed to act--like the CEO of a PR-driven firm? |
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| Quasimodo | Dec 14 2014, 10:42 AM Post #381 |
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Curious: POSTER COMMENT from site:
Does this perhaps compare with how certain factions at Duke wanted some kind of incident by which to further the same agendas? And so deliberately helped fan the flames? |
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| sdsgo | Dec 14 2014, 12:05 PM Post #382 |
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"The first thing President Teresa Sullivan of the University of Virginia needs to do in the wake of what now appears to have been a faux rape scandal, is to apologize to the victims; that is, to the members of Phi Kappa Psi -- who have been vilified, forced to move off campus into motels, and suffered suspicions even from family members and close friends. " R.B. Parrish article above "The fraternities and sororities are on private property, so the members living in the houses will not have to seek new living arrangements during the suspension, de Bruyn said." Source Edited by sdsgo, Dec 14 2014, 12:06 PM.
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| Joan Foster | Dec 14 2014, 12:22 PM Post #383 |
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Hats off to you, Quasi! Terrific article! |
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| cks | Dec 14 2014, 12:22 PM Post #384 |
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If your fraternity is having demonstrations in front of it because of an article that claims seven of the members were serial rapists and if the frat house is being vandalized as a result of those allegations, what parents would advise their sons to continue living in that house? As a mother of three sons I can tell you that the first thing my husband and I would have done was to arrange for them to move to a safe location. |
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| Joan Foster | Dec 14 2014, 12:25 PM Post #385 |
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Remember some LAX team members slept in their cars. Windows are broken out...that fraternity looks like a haunted house. I agree, cks, I would never allow my son to stay under those conditions. |
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| comelately | Dec 14 2014, 01:53 PM Post #386 |
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I dunno... To me, this looks like a relatively inexpensive lesson (compare it to the Duke story!). Do NOT trust authority, do NOT trust a university president, in God's name do NOT trust the media. Sounds like pretty good advice. As for the seeds that this incident has planted in the souls of these boys - with luck these will be seeds of respect for the due process and of disdain for the barbarity of the mob. What do you want to bet that THEY will not be inclined to believe the next rape hoax? With luck, they will even vote Republican! It sounds cruel, but THERE ARE wolves out there. And in the present-day US, they often wear sheep's closing - or the closing of college girls, as the case may be. Or of college presidents, or... So a certain degree of cynicism is a good thing. In the end, we (as a society) will have to start dealing with this wolf infestation - or be eaten. But that is a different subject for a different day. |
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| Quasimodo | Dec 14 2014, 03:03 PM Post #387 |
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| abb | Dec 14 2014, 03:22 PM Post #388 |
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http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/2014/12/carr_moonbats_defend_fable_not_the_facts Carr: Moonbats defend fable not the facts WHO NEEDS THE TRUTH?: Dan Rather had to explain CBS’ fake story about President Bush 10 years ago. The Phi Kappa Psi fraternity house at the University of Virginia has since suspended operations after Rolling Stone ran an article alleging a gang rape at the house. Again, a fake story. Sunday, December 14, 2014 Howie Carr “Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.” You used to hear that occasionally in newsrooms, but the difference between then and now is, in the old days, they were kidding. Now, not so much. As the UVA rape story in the rag known as Rolling Stone has fallen apart, the “rape advocates” and moonbats have closed ranks, defending the fable rather than the facts. A student editor at UVA, Julia Horowitz, stuck up for Rolling Stone “journalist” Sabrina Rubin Erdely, writing that, “To let fact-checking define the narrative would be a huge mistake.” Where can Rolling Stone go to get its, uh, reputation back? May I suggest the federal courthouse on Thursday? Their heartthrob tousle-haired accused terrorist Boston Marathon bomber will be back in federal court this week. Put another photo of the blood-stained Muslim welfare leech on the cover like you did last year, after ingesting one too many brandy Alexanders. Here’s your lead, Rolling Stone: “Like the Beatles arriving in America in January 1964, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev left hundreds of teenage girls and Rolling Stone owner Jann Wenner swooning in ecstasy as he blew onto Northern Avenue protected by a phalanx ...” Not familiar with Rolling Stone? What Tiger Beat used to be for teenybopper girls, Rolling Stone is for the Pajama Boy generation — a fanzine about crappy no-talent musicians who the “readers” would love to sleep with. The UVA fiasco is what happens when they try to write something other than a mash note to a heroin addict. Ten years ago, “60 Minutes” ran a fake story about President Bush’s Texas Air National Guard service. Turned out the memos were utterly bogus. It took bloggers about an hour to figure that out after the piece aired. For more than a week, CBS (also known as See B.S.) refused to retract the obvious hit piece on the GOP president in the heat of his re-election campaign. See B.S.’s ultimate excuse was immortalized in a headline in The New York Times (another member of the Rolling Stone-CBS media make-it-up conglomerate). The Times quoted another Democrat as describing the memos as “Fake But Accurate.” Fake but accurate. You can’t make this stuff up — and you don’t have to! Memo to Rolling Stone: Truth really is stranger than fiction. All those Globe columnists didn’t have to pipe it, or lift stuff from the WBUR website. There’s this amazing new invention, and I’m not talking about the Internet. I mean the telephone. It’s amazing, the stuff you can turn up with a phone, and most of the time, all it takes is one or two more calls to see if it’s true.... But now, in a decade we have gone from the “60 Minutes” fake but accurate story to Rolling Stone’s scoop, which turns out to be fake and inaccurate. I guess you can’t blame the Rolling Stone for not getting the rapist’s side of the story. It’s hard to find somebody who doesn’t exist. His name was, or should I say wasn’t, “Drew.” But Rolling Stone didn’t even attempt to locate “Drew.” This is what happens when a sheet no one has read since 1972 tries to reinvent itself as a happenin’ website for hep cats. The latest revelation, in the Washington Post, is that the photo of “Drew” that the so-called victim showed her friends was not that of a UVA student. It was somebody Jackie had gone to high school with. He isn’t a student at UVA and he hasn’t set foot in Charlottesville in six years. I’m guessing his alibi will check out. But, but … there’s an epidemic of rape. Don’t you remember the Duke lacrosse story? Er, never mind. Why is that it’s always moonbats getting caught doing this sort of thing? How’d that Lunenburg football team racist graffiti thing work out? These are the same mendacious frauds who call Fox “Faux News” and brag that they’re members of the “reality-based community.” They’re just not making reality like they used to. Just ask “Drew.” Listen to Howie every weekday from 3 p.m.-7 p.m. on WMEX AM 1510 and WCRN AM 830. |
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| abb | Dec 14 2014, 03:25 PM Post #389 |
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Who knew??? UVA has a "law"school!! http://www.news.virginia.edu/content/through-street-law-uva-law-students-take-classroom-lessons-area-high-schools Through ‘Street Law,’ U.Va. Law Students Take Classroom Lessons to Area High Schools Print HTML logo Forward logo December 11, 2014 Kimberly Reich “What does it mean to have reasonable doubt?” It’s not a typical day at Albemarle High School. University of Virginia School of Law students Arianna Lacerte and Jessica Douglas are leading a class on the phases of a criminal trial. The first-year law students are members of Street Law, an organization aimed at teaching local high school seniors about their rights and stimulating their interest in law. Each year about 50 U.Va. law students participate in the program, teaching lessons at Monticello, Charlottesville and Albemarle high schools throughout the school year. The arrangement of lecture, discussion and group work connects the law students to the local community and helps them learn how to distill what they have learned in class. At the same time, the seniors learn about their rights and responsibilities under the law. “We hope that Street Law serves to expose students to legal education at a young age,” said second-year law student Greg Rustico, the group’s vice president. In the high school classrooms, law students focus on the First and Fourth Amendments, phases of a criminal trial and civil rights. They also participate in mock trials with the high school students, said Street Law president Sarah Schrag, a second-year law student. Law students join classes as many as five times a month, and each year the lesson plans are updated with current events and case law. The curriculum is devised chiefly by the law students, said law professor Josh Bowers, who advises the group. Students seek ways to make the material exciting and comprehensible. “The law-student teachers get to put into practice an underappreciated litigation skill – that is, making the legally complex coherent, even to a lay audience,” Bowers said. Sharon Webb and Sue Green, who collaboratively teach government classes at Charlottesville High School, said they’ve seen the benefits of the school’s involvement with the Street Law program. The high school students have shown increased interest, and discussions in Street Law classes have led to some deeper thinking and questioning, Webb said. “I think [our] students … appreciate that [the U.Va. law] students care enough about their education to make a sacrifice that might mean they will be up even later at night trying to get their work done,” Webb said, adding that it’s important for the students to interact with such accomplished people who are closer to their age. In a recent class with Webb and Green, Lacerte and Douglas used an example from a “Law and Order” TV episode to demonstrate the elements of criminal trials. Then the high school students broke into small groups and put themselves in the roles of the prosecution and defense to further discuss what each side’s goals would be, and what they would need to proceed. “I like how it gives me a chance to reinforce what I’ve already learned in the classroom,” Douglas said. Lessons from her first-year criminal law class helped her show the students how to choose and call witnesses and to write opening statements, she said. Law students receive pro bono credit in return for their efforts. Those hours count toward U.Va. Law’s 75-hour Pro Bono Challenge, a program that encourages public service and helps law students learn new skills. “I hope I also inspire some students to go into law school, if that’s what they dream of doing,” Douglas said. In fact, Webb said, a student who is a recent immigrant from the Congo expressed interest in studying law. Because of the Street Law relationship, Webb was able to connect the student with a U.Va. law student who was born in Africa, who “was very interested in staying in touch with my student and answering any questions she might have,” Webb said. “It was wonderful to make that connection.” |
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| abb | Dec 14 2014, 03:29 PM Post #390 |
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http://www.virginia.edu/bov/upmeeting.html Board of Visitors There will be a Special Meeting of the Full Board on Friday, December 19, 2014, from 1:30 - 4:30 p.m. in the Great Hall of Garrett Hall. |
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