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| Quasimodo | Mar 20 2014, 05:36 PM Post #1 |
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| Jack Wade | Mar 21 2014, 09:10 AM Post #2 |
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First, the Dowdy in this case may be Dwight Dowdy, the former DPD captain who got the city sued after he assaulted a free-lance photographer outside the police line at a crime scene. Balko was careless with names -- he refers at one point to former Gov. "John" Martin, clearly meaning Jim Martin, the governor from 1985 to 1993. Second, Coleman's mention of the Forsyth County prosecutor isn't as odd as KC makes it. The Forsyth County DA's office is notorious for throwing innocent people in prison (Darryl Hunt, anyone?) and Coleman is in the midst of representing a man named Kalvin Michael Smith who claims innocence in a robbery/assault that left a store clerk with severe brain damage. Main allegation there is an allegedly police-fabricated ID: cop showed the victim a picture of Smith and she ID'ed him, but there are lots of questions about whether she has any actual recall of events. Edited by Jack Wade, Mar 21 2014, 09:11 AM.
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| Joan Foster | Mar 21 2014, 09:25 AM Post #3 |
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One supposes that a few of us here fall under KC's umbrella of out of state conservatives who defended the Lacrosse team...because we see only bias in the system against wealthy whites. Largely true, KC? what a ignorant pompous ass you are! Only you and your Lefty friends are pure of heart and had noble reasons? The rest of us were just bigots, eh? That is "The Hero of The Hoax"...outing himself for the biased phony he is. Edited to say...after these comments I wish LS would stop giving him space here. Why not carry the Justice for Nifong columns as well? Edited by Joan Foster, Mar 21 2014, 09:28 AM.
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| RighteousThug | Mar 21 2014, 09:56 AM Post #4 |
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Tell us how you really feel, Joan. ;) Btw, the "It’s as if they believe the only bias in the system is against wealthy white college students.” was a quote from Coleman, not KC. Coleman was the one who claimed that the conservatives 'moved on' after the dismissal, and Balko seemingly agreed. Nothing could be further from the truth, of course, and KC said so. His 'almost exclusively out-of-state' referred to journalists. Edited by RighteousThug, Mar 21 2014, 10:07 AM.
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| Joan Foster | Mar 21 2014, 10:08 AM Post #5 |
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"In the Balko article, Coleman says, “I had hoped that the people of influence who were attracted to this case — the players and their families, the conservative groups, the commentators who were drawn to the injustice — I had hoped they would have used it as an opportunity to subject the criminal justice system to a searing review. It’s as if they believe the only bias in the system is against wealthy white college students.” That’s largely true when describing the (almost exclusively out-of-state) conservative journalists who defended the lacrosse players. But did Coleman expect otherwise?" "Did Coleman expect otherwise?" So KC is asserting that our concern for rich white kids was just parr for the course for our benighted racist selves. He should have engaged us then...and perhaps could have helped us out of the darkness. This is outrageous! What else could Coleman have expected? Maybe that there are racists of all political persuasions...that empathy has no political allegiance and that there a good people of good intentions who vote other than the way KC and Coleman do? What could we have expected from KC? Maybe a better memory ...and a lot less PRESUMPTION that he knows other peoples motivations. |
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| RighteousThug | Mar 21 2014, 10:16 AM Post #6 |
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Dunno exactly what he is asserting, but it referred to journalists, not you or I. |
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| Joan Foster | Mar 21 2014, 10:17 AM Post #7 |
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So by limiting his bias to just Conservative " journalists"....we are to assume that KC meant only THEY had racist motivations? The rest of us conservatives who do not pull a paycheck from Fox are exempt? How charitable of KC! This "disease" that brings KC to exclaim..."What could he expect?" ....somehow sails above the conservative unprofessionally unemployed..like some ideological exemption? KC's own bias is all over this nifty little paragraph. Of course...the Left wing MSM rallied so nobly to the cause...because, as KC understands, they are not so benighted by their biases. Right. |
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| Joan Foster | Mar 21 2014, 10:21 AM Post #8 |
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"Largely true." KC is saying it is largely true that conservative "journalists" only care about white college kids. Who do liberal journalists "largely" care about? What can we learn from their collective work on this case? Oh, yeah....I guess it is "largely true" that THEY have only the finest of intentions. |
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| RighteousThug | Mar 21 2014, 10:22 AM Post #9 |
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Did someone piss in your cornflakes this morning? |
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| abb | Mar 21 2014, 10:28 AM Post #10 |
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At the risk of butting in here and getting my pinfeathers scorched (never had that happen b4, lol), in the Howard case, we are going to see all sorts of "liberal" types come out of the woodwork and begin running their mouths. There will be lots of advocates that never soiled their hands during the Duke Lax Frame. For example, Duke Law, Democrat Underground (just saw this case posted on their website), The Innocence Project. And on and on. Why? Because the victim here is of the proper socio-economic class and race, unlike Colin, Reade, and David. The only thing I can say about it is that life just ain't fair. BUT, and a very big BUT. If it means we have to ally with them to see that Nifong goes to jail, and the truth of Durham's rot is exposed, I say we should suck it up and make the best of it. One of the few points of agreement between sincere liberals and sincere conservatives is fear of an overreaching government and encroachment upon individual liberties. All my opinion, of course... |
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| Joan Foster | Mar 21 2014, 10:39 AM Post #11 |
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No, RT. I am truly offended. Except perhaps if KC has been operating some kind of confessional up there in NYC...and conservative journalists have been unburdening themselves to him...in regard to their White bias in defending the Lacrosse team. Then, KC is not conveying his own ideological bias...he has been truly privy to the inner motivations of those journalists who do not vote as he does. Otherwise KC is a buffoon who allows himself great liberty in ASSUMING the motivations of others...particularly "The Other"....ie anyone who is not in ideological lockstep with HIM. Unlike KC...I believe there were people of good faith and good intention on BOTH sides of the political aisle. The arrogance in this piece is astounding! "What did he expect." That presumes he should have expected conservatives to only care about WHITES!!!!! This attitude why unity is so difficult to achieve on a broad base of topics today. This presumption that the other political side is afflicted with bad or ignorant intentions. KC does not know ANYTHING about the intentions of anyone other than himself. Edited by Joan Foster, Mar 21 2014, 04:43 PM.
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| Jack Wade | Mar 21 2014, 12:15 PM Post #12 |
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I'm not going to take a position on Joan's complaint but otherwise say that KC like all of us has his flaws. The one that rubs me wrong is his tendency despite his training as a historian to make short shrift of context. An example would be his lack of understanding of the the culture of major-sports schools like Duke, for having come up himself at schools like Harvard and UChicago that aren't athletic powers. He makes much, for instance, of the lacrosse players' grades without acknowledging that the implicit deal at a D1 school is that the athletes in the revenue sports generate the money to subsidize the entire program while those in non-revenue sports make the grades necessary to generate positive PR. Not only does KC not understand that, he doesn't understand that he doesn't understand. |
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| abb | Mar 21 2014, 12:23 PM Post #13 |
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Another instance of life not being fair. But the hypocrisy of the Higher Education leadership guild is a bit much sometimes - they're just moneygrubbers like most everyone else. They just get to cloak it with platitudes about "molding the minds and bodies of our future leaders..." Or some such baloney. |
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| ~J~ is in Wonderland | Mar 21 2014, 07:22 PM Post #14 |
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~J~ is in Wonderland
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Hummmm- think I should not post. Later
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| Joan Foster | Mar 21 2014, 07:56 PM Post #15 |
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" It’s as if they believe the only bias in the system is against wealthy white college students.” That’s largely true when describing the (almost exclusively out-of-state) conservative journalists who defended the lacrosse players. But did Coleman expect otherwise?" Sorry J ...but KC is nothing if not articulate. What he says here is that Coleman's belief that "the only bias in the system is against wealthy white college system" is LARGELY TRUE in regard to conservative journalists. It is " largely true." Does anyone "expect otherwise?" Are you defending that kind of smear? And how does Mr. Wonderland decide when this racist malady effects a journalist...when he votes? Gets a job? Obviously, it is his POLITICAL belief that makes him racist...."largely" racist. That is flat out offensive, unfair, and untrue. I'd like to hear that statement defended as anything other than a political smear. And, in making his point...it was unnecessary to even include. Only a Ass would spout such ignorance. Would he condone such generalizations to be made about liberals or homosexuals? "Oh THEM...well of course...WHAT can you expect." "Largely true." "What can you expect?" If you are offended that I have little respect for KC...I ask you how much respect HE has to make an ignorant general assumption like that? He implies conservatives are racist or, at best! only concerned with the injustice to THEIR own race. THAT is HIS bias. HIS ignorance. When this Board started...about 15 people got it going. We started a blog and a discussion Board. We were from all over the place and we never asked each other's politics. We cared about these kids. Do you think our politics somehow tainted our motivation? The Libs were here because they are noble and fair? The Conservatives were here because the guys were WHITE? HUH? Are you buying that? I think there were good people of every political persausion drawn to the outrageousness of this Hoax and skin hue was NO factor. Racism, according to KC...is apparently synonymous with conservatism. "What did he expect?" How dare he ascribe motives like that to individuals unknown to him except for their political leaning! He obviously feels Racism is LARGELY integral part of the mindset of anyone who does not vote in lockstep with Him. Of course, if anyone can explain the unbiased innocence of those sentences...I will be glad to be tutored. Edited by Joan Foster, Mar 21 2014, 08:14 PM.
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