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| Mason | Dec 21 2014, 01:52 AM Post #1426 |
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. That didn't take long. Government is selecting your plan. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/19/rep-mark-meadows-obamacares-christmas-surprise/ . |
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| kbp | Dec 22 2014, 10:09 AM Post #1427 |
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H/T Mason......three quarters of the people shopping...were already enrolled The numbers mystery continues! They started out saying "about half," then "just over half," and now "three quarters." I had used their "half" in guessing numbers. Going with "three quarters" means the 2.5 million number they threw out (if accurate) means the federal exchanges only signed up about 600,000 new enrollees and they admitted that most had not paid yet. If we can trust any of the numbers they have given us (none revealing the head count for drop outs and no-pay's), they have 7.5 million (6.9+o.6). So to get to the original 13M they need 5.5M, or going with Burwell's lower bar for success of Generously allowing 100% will pay, that's 600,000 per 30 days. If they hold a steady pace, that would give them 1.2 million more over the next 60 days (12/15/14 to 2/15/15), for a total of 8.7 million. What are the odds they'll find 1.6 million more by the final deadline of Feb. 15 (to be revised!)? I'll bet the farm they'll extend the date and NOT report how many of the existing enrollees dropped out after January 1. . |
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| Mason | Dec 22 2014, 01:40 PM Post #1428 |
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MARCH 4TH SUPREME COURT ARGUMENTS TO BE HEARD ON STATE EXCHANGES / SUBSIDIES Edited by Mason, Dec 22 2014, 01:41 PM.
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| Mason | Dec 22 2014, 07:24 PM Post #1429 |
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. SEND M$NEY! http://www.macombdaily.com/government-and-politics/20141222/macomb-county-hit-with-15-million-in-obamacare-fees . |
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| kbp | Dec 23 2014, 10:32 AM Post #1430 |
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Their argument is that central planning and control saves money through "simplicity." The only simple thing I can think of would be not having to deal with paperwork... but government run programs would not fall into that category. Maybe the pro-single-payer crowd could start the debate by identifying a government run program that saves us money through "simplicity." . Edited by kbp, Dec 23 2014, 10:32 AM.
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| kbp | Dec 23 2014, 10:53 AM Post #1431 |
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The "macombdaily" site went blank. Fortunately I found the article pasted elsewhere!
The 2.5 percent fee on premiums is permanent…. LMAO! They're explaining how the mandate to purchase insurance is a mandate to pay more taxes! They missed over half of the added costs involved in Obamacare. The premiums increased to cover regulated coverage. The employer tax increased to cover Obamacare. The out-of-pocket costs increased as a result of Obamacare. Commissioner Fred Miller brags about all the newly insured, but the taxpayers of the State will see an increase to cover 10% of the Medicaid patients added in addition to the 90% they must help pay for in their federal taxes. The plan to slide the Obamacare costs through by slicing the taxes up into multiple smaller taxes still adds up to the same total tax increase for the accounting department. ADD: that's multiple taxes paid by others in the minds of the stupid voters Edited by kbp, Dec 23 2014, 10:57 AM.
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| kbp | Dec 23 2014, 11:43 AM Post #1432 |
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Looks like 900,000 + 1 reasons to not be a provider for Medicare/Medicaid. The "1" added representing suspended appeals. That's saving money with simplicity at work! |
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| kbp | Dec 23 2014, 11:51 AM Post #1433 |
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...A number of other states are in a gray area because they have turned over at least some responsibilities to the federal government. That is NOT a "gray area." States can NOT use the federal government to run their exchange. That is not even disputed, well, not yet anyway! |
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| kbp | Dec 23 2014, 01:12 PM Post #1434 |
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They bumped the 2.5M to 6.4 million with auto-enrollment included. If only 1.5M of the 5.4M previous customers changed plans, that means 3.9M will likely be facing new premium INCREASES the FREE MONEY might not cover. The enrollment increase is 1M. Adding in the same percentage of increase to State exchanges will put it at about 8.3M. They'll need o.8M new customers before Feb 15 to meet the . Edited by kbp, Dec 23 2014, 01:15 PM.
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| kbp | Dec 23 2014, 05:55 PM Post #1435 |
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/21/robert-knight-two-more-chances-overturn-obamacare/print/ Two more chances to overturn Obamacare By Robert Knight - - Sunday, December 21, 2014 For his next directive, will President Obama merge Cuba's socialist health care system with Obamacare? Why not? He has a penchant for shocking us almost daily. But since this is the season of hope, how about a little good news about Obamacare? There is a real possibility that the Supreme Court might actually make up for its earlier error and find key elements of it unconstitutional next June. Of the many challenges to the misnamed Affordable Care Act, two stand out as potent threats to the law's continued legality. The first is King v. Burwell, which the Court has agreed to hear in its upcoming spring session. The case is a challenge to the creation of Obamacare subsidies in the federal exchanges created in the 36 states that declined to create their own exchanges. The law does not provide for such subsidies, says Virginia resident David King, 63, who contends that he should be immune from Obamacare's penalty tax on his decision not to buy insurance. When the IRS expanded subsidies to states like Virginia that had only a federal exchange, it put Mr. King in the position of being vulnerable to the fine again. The IRS and the District Court basically said that this is what Congress would have wanted, even though the law doesn't specify it. "[L]egislative purpose must be effected by the words Congress uses, not the words it might have meant or should have chosen to use," a brief filed by the American Civil Rights Union states. "Courts are not empowered under Article III to divine Congress's overarching objective and then reverse-engineer a version of the law that best achieves it." One might argue that this is exactly what the Supreme Court did in June 2012 when Chief Justice John Roberts somehow found a way to uphold Obamacare as a "tax." It might be more difficult this time around to construct a similar conclusion, given Congress's clear meaning in the pertinent section of the ACA. As for the second serious case, remember the "death panel," for which Sarah Palin continues to be assailed by her detractors? It's real. The Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB), consisting of 15 unelected bureaucrats appointed by the president, is empowered to set Medicare payment limits. But the ACA's wording is so loose that the board could effectively control all costs associated with healthcare, according to a Cato Institute study by Diane Cohen and Michael F. Cannon, "Payment Advisory Board, PPACA's Anti-Constitutional and Authoritarian Super-Legislature," released in June 2012. What's more, it could do so with impunity, the authors say, because there is no oversight provision: "When the unelected government officials on this board submit a legislative proposal to Congress, it automatically becomes law: PPACA requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to implement it." Citing these dangers, Arizona orthopedic surgeon Eric N. Novack and Arizona businessman Nick Coons filed a lawsuit that made its way to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, in Coons and Novack, et al v. Lew and Burwell, et al. When the Ninth declined to overturn a district court's dismissal of the case, the two plaintiffs appealed to the Supreme Court, which has yet to rule on whether it will hear the case. It should. It's not likely that America's founders, who constructed an explicit system of separate, enumerated authority, intended that any government entity ever acquire the kind of raw power that Obamacare gives to the IPAB. "IPAB truly is independent, but in the worst sense of the word. It wields power independent of Congress, independent of the president, independent of the judiciary, and independent of the will of the people," Cohen and Cannon write. In fact, the law is written to assure that a future Congress could never alter the board's powers, an unprecedented limitation on Congress's legislative power. "PPACA forbids Congress from repealing IPAB outside of a seven-month window in the year 2017, and even then requires a three-fifths majority in both chambers," Cohen and Cannon write. "A heretofore unreported feature of PPACA dictates that if Congress misses that repeal window, PPACA prohibits Congress from ever altering an IPAB 'proposal.' By restricting lawmaking powers of future Congresses, PPACA thus attempts to amend the Constitution by statute." In a brief that urges the Supreme Court to hear the case, the American Civil Rights Union states that, "Under the ACA, the IPAB's 'proposals' are not proposals at all.... IPAB involves the most extreme Delegation of Powers violation, and the most comprehensive assault on the fundamental Constitutional Separation of Powers Doctrine, in the history of American law." What may sound to some like hyperbole is actually a hard, realistic assessment. IPAB is really that dangerous. As the hammer blows of Obamacare keep falling and Congress dithers, more and more people will be praying that the Court finally does the right thing in at least one of these cases. |
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| Baldo | Dec 23 2014, 05:57 PM Post #1436 |
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Out here in California there is a wide spread advertizing program to get people to enroll. One commercial run by Anthem Blue Cross has a Q & A with a perky young woman as a reporter questioning the man on the street. She asks a number of true/false questions over a number of topic including what is the enrollment time etc One of the last questions is "does a person have to have Health Insurance?" He answers no and she goes "naaa" in a slightly make wrong attitude. Then she says Govt mandates everybody has to have Health Insurance. It then goes on to the phone number & web site to have you sign up. It got me to thinking about what I consider is the worst part of Obama-care. It mandates you to buy Health Insurance. We are all into debating the particulars of this law, but the worst is our loss of freedom. Of course I have Health Insurance, but that is my choice. Marxists don't like the individual having choices. |
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| kbp | Dec 23 2014, 06:00 PM Post #1437 |
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No, it mandates that you pay a TAX if you decide to not purchase health insurance, ask Roberts! |
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| Baldo | Dec 23 2014, 06:20 PM Post #1438 |
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Net Cost of ObamaCare "It's All Your Money" put in your income and weep http://www.foxnews.com/tax-calculator/2014/06/30/net-cost-obamacare This uses CBO data, so expect it to be lower than reality |
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| kbp | Dec 24 2014, 08:32 AM Post #1439 |
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...reality You got that right! This tool ONLY calculates the direct increase to your tax burden, nowhere near the cost from the Obamacare law. The numbers are from an outdated CBO report. Fox did not include $456 billion in penalties and excise tax on Cadillac plans in their "net cost." Those are direct tax burdens this tool cannot calculate. The numbers they use only show 75% of the costs CBO reported, which have gone up since their latest report AND were not accurate in the first place. When CBO does a cost/benefit summary report, they include the tax burden, government expense, AND private costs resulting from the law.... For instance, if they calculate the cost of an EPA law, it reports the benefits of some costs and the costs of individuals or companies to comply with the law. The CBO Panel on health issues (that Gruber was on) decided for the CBO that their estimate would NOT include the private cost burdens citizens would encounter to comply with the law. IOW the cost increases from the HHS regulations that increased ALL premiums about 30% are NOT included in the CBO numbers of the Fox calculator linked here. As your premiums and out-of-pocket increased, those costs YOU and your employers pay to keep the coverage was NOT included in the CBO costs...PERIOD. Also excluded in the CBO report is billions of taxpayers dollars of funding to be appropriated for administrative costs, such as that the IRS will spend enforcing the law. Another first for CBO cost estimates, as far as I know. ![]() That image shows that 46% of the "tax burden" is shouldered by those making >$250,000 per year. But that tax burden is based on ONLY the $1.383 trillion cost over the next 10 years starting a year ago. That amount is not even half the total cost of the Obamacare law. The cost to the nation from the law is about twice the $1.8 trillion the CBO reported. That does not mean the tax burden the Fox tool shows is only half of what you'll pay, as the progressive tax structure many new taxes create for this calculator are the majority of the cost for the wealthier. The cost hidden by the CBO reporting methods, those which can't be included in the Fox calculator, hits the previously insured middle class and lower income the hardest, along with the increased costs States must absorb as a result of the law and its new regulations. . Edited by kbp, Dec 24 2014, 08:35 AM.
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| Baldo | Dec 25 2014, 02:36 AM Post #1440 |
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i am shocked, just shocked! CA small biz hit with health care hikes It wasn’t supposed to be like this. Proposition 45 on the Nov. 4 ballot would have given the California insurance commissioner the power to limit health-insurance rate increases. It lost. Opponents, including officials at Covered California, assured voters adequate price controls would be negotiated by the officials running the exchange — without Prop. 45. Covered CA is the state’s health insurance exchange set up under the federal Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare. But for the state’s small businesses and their employees, those words have begun to ring hollow. As the new year rings in, some 64,000 Californians will see rate increases averaging more than 10 percent — in some cases, nearly 20 percent, according to the state Department of Insurance. As the Los Angeles Times reported, that nets out to $23.5 million in “excessive” premiums for small business employers and employees. Broken promises Party politics only added to the controversy. California’s two Democratic U.S. senators, Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, threw their support behind Prop. 45. But other Democrats opposed it, instead backing Obamacare and the Obama administration figures brought on to ensure Covered CA succeeded in enrolling big numbers (unlike many other state exchanges). Republicans, meanwhile, saw Prop. 45 as yet another effort to expand government regulation over not just Covered CA, but private insurance concerns. State Sen. Ted Gaines, R-Roseville, seeking to unseat incumbent Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones, lambasted him for standing with Boxer and Feinstein. But although voters dumped Prop. 45, they also stuck with Jones. Adamant that its increases are properly calibrated, “Aetna said its rate increase was justified based on the expected medical costs for employers,” the Times reported. Jones’ office had tried, but failed, to limit Aetna’s rate increases to just 2.6 percent on the 64,000-strong small business group. A domino effect For Jones, Aetna’s calculations led to excessive rate hikes because the company misjudged the effect of Obamacare and Covered CA on its risk pools. Although other factors came into play, Jones’ office determined Aetna had wrongly assumed “that customers enrolled in new plans complying with the federal health care overhaul are less healthy than those in older policies,” according to the Sacramento Bee. What’s more, Jones implied, Aetna bumped up its increases once it looked likely Prop. 45 would go down to defeat...snipped http://calwatchdog.com/2014/12/24/ca-small-biz-hit-with-health-care-hikes/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter Chains Biden was right about this when he said to Obama under his breathe, "It's a big F*cking Deal!' And we are the ones getting the shaft |
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