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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,616 Views)
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Charles Gasparino
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whats scary is that it took the liberal elite 6-plus years after the 2008 financial crisis to figure this out from the @wsj: "Mr. Schumer said he still supported the (obamacare's) goals, but 'it wasn’t the change we were hired to make. Americans were crying out for the end to the recession, for better wages and more jobs.'"

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kbp

Holiday preparation has me busy today... Is tis some sort of move by Schumer to shift blame on the coming GOP Senate majority for not tweaking Obamacare? I'll read more on this later, as it seems big just browsing through a few quotes of what Schumer said, actually like admitting we need to repeal Ocare and start over... work on the US economy.
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schumer must be up for reelection and a high % of his electorate complained to him..he is running scared.
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Nov 26 2014, 09:35 AM
Sen. Chuck Schumer: Obamacare Focused 'On The Wrong Problem,' Ignores The Middle Class

Despite the enduring unpopularity of Obamacare, Congressional Democrats have up to now stood by their health care law, allowing that “it’s not perfect” but that they are proud of their votes to pass it. That all changed on Tuesday, when the Senate’s third-highest-ranking Democrat—New York’s Chuck Schumer—declared that “we took [the public’s] mandate and put all our focus on the wrong problem—health care reform…When Democrats focused on health care, the average middle-class person thought, ‘The Democrats aren’t paying enough attention to me.’”

Sen. Schumer made his remarks at the National Press Club in Washington. “Democrats blew the opportunity the American people gave them…Now, the plight of uninsured Americans and the hardships caused by unfair insurance company practices certainly needed to be addressed,” Schumer maintained. “But it wasn’t the change we were hired to make. Americans were crying out for the end to the recession, for better wages and more jobs—not changes in health care.”

“This makes sense,” Schumer continued, “considering 85 percent of all Americans got their health care from either the government, Medicare, Medicaid, or their employer. And if health care costs were going up, it really did not affect them. The Affordable Care Act was aimed at the 36 million Americans who were not covered. It has been reported that only a third of the uninsured are even registered to vote…it made no political sense.”

The response from Obama Democrats was swift. Many, like Obama speechwriters Jon Lovett and Jon Favreau and NSC spokesman Tommy Vietor, took to Twitter. “Shorter Chuck Schumer,” said Vietor, “I wish Obama cared more about helping Democrats than sick people.”...snipped

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/26/sen-chuck-schumer-obamacare-focused-on-the-wrong-problem-ignores-the-middle-class/


We have been saying that for a long time. The 111th Congress(2009-10)under the leadership" of Reid & Pelosi will go down as one of the worst ever, and it goes to say Obama was totally unprepared to be President
Didn't he read the bill? :think:

Oh that's right you have to pass the bill so that you can find out what's in it.

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kbp

Schumer was on the Senate Finance Committee, so he holds about as much responsibility for Obamacare as anyone in the nation.
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Unable to find a transcript, I pieced parts from abut 6 articles. Overall, Schumer thinks he knows what is best for the people.

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"We should have done it. We just shouldn't have done it first,"
Couldn't have done it later.

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...“It wasn’t the change we were hired to make; Americans were crying out for an end to the recession, for better wages and more jobs, not for changes in their health care,”

..."After passing the stimulus, Democrats should have continued to propose middle class-oriented programs and built on the partial success of the stimulus. But unfortunately, Democrats blew the opportunity the American people gave them. We took their mandate and put all of our focus on the wrong problem — health-care reform."
The Stimulus was not "middle class-oriented," it was added debt on imaginary job growth. He's talking like we need a trillion dollars of Stimulus every year.

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Asked by a reporter whether he could pinpoint any errors in the plan or the way it was rolled out, Schumer responded by pointing to the passage of minimum wage increases in red states as evidence that the platform worked and must be expanded.

"It just has to be bigger, broader, more prominent and more across the whole Democratic Party," he concluded
Government mandated income growth ...success!

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“If people don’t believe government can deliver, they’ll follow the Republican path. That leaves the job to Democrats. If we run away from government, the negative misperceptions about it will take root, and even if people support our ideas, they won’t believe government can deliver.”
Tell me again why so many companies moved out of our nation and/or will not bring their profits back to invest here???? WTH has added to our economy? The Stimulus debt came during the natural rebound and we've been flat with Federal Reserve purchasing the growth the last 5 years.

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“Democrats must embrace government. It’s what we believe in; it’s what unites our party; and, most importantly, it’s the only thing that’s going to get the middle class going again,”
Embrace LESS government. less cost.

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“By using government in a careful, focused way, we will provide a shield against the large forces that have worked against middle-class families so that they have a better job and more money in their pockets,”
The other guy... "large forces"

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“Instead of focusing on the middle class, they’ll spend their time in the majority bashing Obamacare, the EPA and immigration reform, but when it comes to doing anything positive, they’ll be paralyzed,”
We do not want the changes or trade-offs for Oamacre, EPA, immigration reform...

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“This makes sense,” Schumer continued, “considering 85 percent of all Americans got their health care from either the government, Medicare, Medicaid, or their employer. And if health care costs were going up, it really did not affect them. The Affordable Care Act was aimed at the 36 million Americans who were not covered. It has been reported that only a third of the uninsured are even registered to vote…it made no political sense.”
I saved the best for last. First, the ACA was aimed at 25 million tops, not 36 million. Second, the "health care costs were going up" really does affect people ...even if Gruber & Kerry tried to hide some of the damage.

The bigger issue here is Schumer just explained Obamacare is about taking from a huge chunk of the 85% to give it to 25 million, less than 10% of our population. This takes from private industry through increased costs and shifts control to government, as they fail at most they manage for us. Schumer can't find an example of success for this idea, unless of course they redefine "success."
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Edited by kbp, Nov 26 2014, 07:39 PM.
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Shumer is acting like John the Baptist. He is preaching to the masses before Hillary comes to life.
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Is Schumer trying to help Mary Landrieu in the Dec. 2 run-off election?
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Nov 26 2014, 07:53 PM
Is Schumer trying to help Mary Landrieu in the Dec. 2 run-off election?
:biggrin:
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Tensions flare between Senate Democrats, White House

In a high-profile speech on Tuesday dissecting Democrats' losses in this month's midterm elections, Charles Schumer, the No. 3 Senate Democrat, listed "a cascade of issues" botched by the White House, starting with Obama's push for healthcare reforms soon after he took office in 2009.

Later on Tuesday, the White House took the unusual step of publicly pledging to veto a deal on tax breaks that Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid was trying to hammer out with Republicans in the House of Representatives.

"There is clearly a lot of unhappiness and a lot of mistrust that exists between the president and his congressional party," said Ross Baker, political scientist at Rutgers University.

Democrats will cede control of the Senate to Republicans in the New Year after heavy losses in the Nov. 4 elections that also gave the Republicans an increased majority in the House.

Obama, whose low approval ratings were seen as a drag on his party in the elections, may see support waver from some Democrats on an energy issue - the proposed Keystone XL pipeline to carry oil from Canada's oil sands to be processed on the U.S. Gulf Coast. Democrats in states where voters want pipeline will face a dilemma over whether to break ranks with Obama and back Republican legislation aimed at forcing the project through.

Republicans will also try to thwart the executive action on immigration that Obama announced last week and that grants temporary relief from deportation for millions of immigrants who are living in the United States without the right papers....snipped

http://news.yahoo.com/tensions-flare-between-senate-democrats-white-house-220849126.html


Congressional Democrats were big losers because they supported Obama
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kbp

My thoughts, FWIW...

The GOP must pass what will work well with both sides and then get aggressive. Barry closing the door should not mandate what the GOP does. They can corner him into vetoes later.
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Exclusive: U.S. CEOs threaten to pull tacit Obamacare support over 'wellness' spat

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Leading U.S. CEOs, angered by the Obama administration's challenge to certain "workplace wellness" programs, are threatening to side with anti-Obamacare forces unless the government backs off, according to people familiar with the matter.

Major U.S. corporations have broadly supported President Barack Obama's healthcare reform despite concerns over several of its elements, largely because it included provisions encouraging the wellness programs.

The programs aim to control healthcare costs by reducing smoking, obesity, hypertension and other risk factors that can lead to expensive illnesses. A bipartisan provision in the 2010 healthcare reform law allows employers to reward workers who participate and penalize those who don't.

But recent lawsuits filed by the administration's Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC), challenging the programs at Honeywell International and two smaller companies, have thrown the future of that part of Obamacare into doubt.

The lawsuits infuriated some large employers so much that they are considering aligning themselves with Obama's opponents, according to people familiar with the executives' thinking.

"The fact that the EEOC sued is shocking to our members," said Maria Ghazal, vice-president and counsel at the Business Roundtable, a group of chief executives of more than 200 large U.S. corporations. "They don't understand why a plan in compliance with the ACA (Affordable Care Act) is the target of a lawsuit," she said. "This is a major issue to our members."

"There have been conversations at the most senior levels of the administration about this," she added....snipped

It is not clear how many members of the group, whose companies sponsor health insurance for 40 million people, are considering any action. It is also not clear if the White House can stop the EEOC from challenging wellness programs.

A threat of a corporate backlash comes at a time when Obama faces criticism even from his Democrats' ranks that he had devoted too much political capital to healthcare reform.

Such action could take the form of radical changes in health benefits that employers offer. It could also mean supporting a potentially game-changing challenge to Obamacare at the Supreme Court next year and expected Republican efforts to eviscerate the law when they take control of Congress in 2015....snipped

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-u-ceos-threaten-pull-tacit-obamacare-support-120556143--sector.html;_ylt=A0SO809MbnpU.K4ASC9XNyoA


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Dark days ahead for ObamaCare

The Obama administration is facing a slew of healthcare challenges as the winter holidays approach.

While this fall has been a far cry from last year, when HealthCare.gov was melting down, 2014 has brought wholly unexpected problems to the fore for federal health officials and the White House.

Take the conflict surrounding Jonathan Gruber, the ObamaCare consultant whose suggestion that a "lack of transparency" and voters' "stupidity" helped the law pass, went viral.

Though Democrats have sought to distance themselves from Gruber, his remarks have become a new flashpoint in debate over healthcare reform, invigorating GOP critics as the party prepares to take control of the Senate.

Gruber has agreed to testify before the House Oversight Committee on Dec. 9, in a final hearing for outgoing chairman and relentless administration antagonist Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.).

The gathering, also set to include Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) Administrator Marilyn Tavenner, is sure to prove a distraction for the White House as officials try once again to keep a lid on opposition to the law.

Here are four additional challenges that the administration faces on healthcare this winter.

Open enrollment

ObamaCare's health insurance exchanges have opened for enrollment with few stumbles this year, in a victory for Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell.

But that doesn't mean the open enrollment period doesn't come with other difficulties. The administration has just until Feb. 15 to bring millions of new customers into the system and encourage existing enrollees to come back and shop again.

The three-month window — about half as long as last year — is proceeding while the back-end of HealthCare.gov remains partly unfinished. Health insurers have been exasperated by the delays, as health officials verify some account and application details by hand.

The goal for 2015 is to ramp up enrollment in a way that continues to bring down the uninsured rate and deepen roots for the exchanges.

Yet in a sign of lowered expectations, the administration is projecting just 9 to 9.9 million will sign up this year, short of the 13 million predicted by the Congressional Budget Office. .....snipped

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/225348-dark-days-ahead-for-obamacare


The article goes on to express more problems

IMHO the basic problem was Obama-care was written in private by Democratic attorneys, a few Politicians with their staffs, and the White House. Absence from real understanding was Obama who had no experience with business management.

The Democratic Congress was thrilled being in the super-majority and failed to demonstrate competency as individual senators & congressmen went along their leadership. There needed to be many hearings covering all the particulars of this law, but they couldn't because the "con" would be revealed.

As for the CBO what an embarrassment. They did what Gruber wanted and went with unrealistic projections.
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To his credit, if he is due any, Gruber had said there would never be any savings.
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Dec 1 2014, 07:21 AM
To his credit, if he is due any, Gruber had said there would never be any savings.
I am sure he will change his tune when questioned by democrats in any hearings.
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