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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 02:57 PM Post #121 |
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I am 110% clueless how they would come up with that number! IIRC, the most they ever projected to add from UNinsured to insured with Obamacare was 9 million. The ONLY way I can see the 13 million as being possible is to add to the UNinsured as ONLY a result of Obamacare! I called Jason Millman at the WP and he told me he'd email a link to his source, FWIW. Maybe we'll see how they came up with that number. |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 03:07 PM Post #122 |
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That 13 million may include fewer buying private insurance to avoid the mandate. That's based on the idea that more UNinsured would have purchase private coverage as a result of the mandate. |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 03:16 PM Post #123 |
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I'll need to digest this! It makes absolutely no sense to me unless you add to the UNinsured as a result of Obamacare, I need to find the older projections for comparison (old desk top went out on me). |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 03:31 PM Post #124 |
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The SOB's deleted the CBO page of original estimated results: http://cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44190_EffectsAffordableCareActHealthInsuranceCoverage_2.pdf |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 03:38 PM Post #125 |
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Here is a previous post quote of myself from the original page 3 at the link:
IIRC, it never went past 13 million. Edited by kbp, Mar 17 2014, 03:38 PM.
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 04:05 PM Post #126 |
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Okay, it's voodoo math from where their optimistic total BS numbers had them in the year 2018. They had projected the 46 million uninsured would be reduced to 30 million, after mandating all (Individual and Employer). The numbers already prove the CBO was incorrect, but they IGNORED that fact when the recalculated damage from the GOP legislation. They also ignored where they lost any momentum after Barry revised and delayed every part of the Obamacare except taxing us (though he did add exemption for the penalty tax through the "hardship" claim). |
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| Baldo | Mar 17 2014, 04:13 PM Post #127 |
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Whatever the number is, it is a disaster. The simple probability is for most Americans their insurance will go up & their choices go down. Therefore the exact opposite of what Obama promised will come true. I really don't think that has sunk in with the general public. Obama knew it, his staff knew it, the architects of the bill knew it, and the godfather's brother, the obnoxious Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel knew it. It is also why Obama exempted his loyal followers like the Unions. They are all Liars! |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 04:28 PM Post #128 |
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Here's the Waybackmachine record of the CBO's May 2013 numbers. http://web.archive.org/web/20131225035936/http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/44190_EffectsAffordableCareActHealthInsuranceCoverage_2.pdf That record shows they started at 55 million uninsured in 2013, but I recall there was some sort of voodoo used to start out bigger and reach greater success. Anyway, page 1 shows the 30 million uninsured for 2018. The latest CBO estimate not only ignores the obvious inaccuracies of the 2014 projections, but it also completely ignores how Barry's delays moves the starting point for the Employer Mandate to 2017 and expands the exemption for "hardships." The CBO cites their guess as being based on "current‐law projections" ...so for that to be accurate in the way they projected the GOP adding 13 million UNinsured in 2018, Barry's delays would NOT meet current law. VOODOO! Edited by kbp, Mar 17 2014, 04:29 PM.
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| Baldo | Mar 17 2014, 04:47 PM Post #129 |
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One Third of Uninsured Won’t Sign Up for Obamacare - the Fiscal Times As the White House scrambles to get people signed up for health insurance before the March 31 deadline, many uninsured Americans say they are still planning to take their chances and remain without coverage. A new study by Bankrate.com shows that about one third of uninsured Americans are going to remain without coverage and opt to pay the penalty. The survey results suggest that the administration’s outreach to uninsured people may be falling short, with more than half of people without insurance unaware of the March 31 deadline—and even more unaware of subsidies that could make their policies more affordable. Bankrate surveyed 3,005 people and found that 41 percent of those who were uninsured said they plan to stay uninsured because they think that health insurance is too costly. Meanwhile, about 70 percent said they were unaware of subsidies available under the new law that could make their health plans more affordable. The study’s findings are worrisome for the Obama administration since the key goal of the president’s health care law was to extend access to health coverage for the uninsured. A separate study by the McKinsey consulting firm found just 27 percent of Obamacare enrollees were uninsured. That means that the majority of those signing up for Obamacare had previous insurance of some kind—whether they were kicked off their old policies, or they found a better deal on the exchanges. Though not confirmed by the White House, if accurate, that could mean the law is failing to meet its intended goal....snipped http://finance.yahoo.com/news/one-third-uninsured-won-t-101500681.html Again where are all of those tens of millions uninsured? The numbers just don't add up. |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 06:36 PM Post #130 |
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Had the CBO used the actual 46 million to start with, their prediction would have been TWO thirds will not sign up. Even using the 55 million starting point, the 30 million unisured would be more than half. |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 06:38 PM Post #131 |
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http://joshblackman.com/blog/2014/03/14/obama-administration-position-in-halbig-court-can-only-issue-relief-to-named-plaintiffs-so-well-disregard-it-for-everyone-else/ Obama Administration Position in Halbig: Court Can Only Issue Relief to Named Plaintiffs, So We’ll Disregard It For Everyone Else A must read, at least the first half. |
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| Baldo | Mar 17 2014, 07:12 PM Post #132 |
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I'm Barack Hussein Obama and I will do as I please. |
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| kbp | Mar 18 2014, 03:09 PM Post #133 |
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COLLATERAL DAMAGE...
It could get worse! Edited by kbp, Mar 18 2014, 03:18 PM.
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| Baldo | Mar 18 2014, 03:33 PM Post #134 |
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Commentary Magazine March Madness? Fake ObamaCare Enrollment Numbers. Jonathan S. Tobin The administration is claiming a limited victory by saying the number of those enrolled in ObamaCare has now hit 5 million with two weeks to go until the March 31 deadline. If accurate, the number does represent a steep increase over the 4.2 million that were said to have signed up at the beginning of the month. At this rate, administration cheerleaders reason, the goal of 7 million enrolled in the Affordable Care Act may yet be reached at some point in the near future, if not quite on time. This burst of enrollments is seen as a vindication of President Obama’s all-out push to promote the law including such questionable activities as appearing on the “Between Two Ferns” web show where he traded barbs with comedian Zach Galifianakis. But before the president and his team start popping the champagne corks to celebrate their achievement and their faux hipness, it’s time once again to point out that the administration’s Potemkin enrollment figures should be read with a truckload of salt. As the New York Times reported last month, as much as 20 percent of all those enrolled had not actually paid their premiums, meaning they were not covered by the program. While Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius told Congress she had no idea what the numbers of unpaid enrollees were, more states are reporting these figures and, as CNBC reported last week, the results are literally all over the map. While some states report high pay rates, others like Maryland say only 54 percent have paid. All this calls in to question not only the effectiveness of the sales job done by the president and celebrity supporters such as Lebron James. It also means that the odds that this system can sustain itself without mandating vast increases in rates for those who do pay are getting slimmer every day. For months we’ve been told by the administration that the only problem with ObamaCare was a “glitchy” website that had since been fixed. But what has since become clear is that the effort to convince young and healthy Americans to sign up for insurance that is both expensive and not something they may need is a failure. Though many of those who clearly benefit from the new health law, such as the poor and those with pre-existing conditions, have signed up, the scheme requires large numbers of those who won’t need the coverage as often in order to be economically viable. That problem will be exacerbated by the failure of much larger percentages of customers to pay for their insurance. As we’ve noted previously, the non-payment of the premium is not a technicality. Many of those purchasing the insurance may be first-time buyers and not understand that they must pay their bill before coverage starts rather than long after the fact, as they can with a credit card transaction. Or it may be that some enrolled with no intention of paying or thinking that the hype about the glories of ObamaCare they’ve heard in the mainstream media and from the president absolved them of the obligation to pay for it. But either way, the large number of non-payments renders the enrollment figures meaningless and ensures that the rates for those who do pay are going up next year by percentages that will shock them. The president claimed that the number of enrollees has already reached the point where the law will work rather than collapse from lack of participation. But even if we accept his premise that falling millions of customers short of the announced goal of seven million is no big deal, the fact that hundreds of thousands of those being counted in the pool of those he’s counting are not covered because of non-payment of premiums makes his assertion a colossal fraud. The president may think that a March madness ad blitz during the NCAA basketball tournament may save ObamaCare. But if the past pattern holds, any further surge in enrollment will provide the scheme with a false sense of security. Until we get a full accounting not only of those who signed up on a website but completed the process by paying for the plan they chose, we’ll have no idea how many people truly are enrolled. Seen in that light, the president’s enrollment promises may well turn out to be no different from other pledges he has made about the ACA in the last few years: completely untrue. http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2014/03/17/march-madness-fake-obamacare-enrollment-numbers/ |
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| chatham | Mar 18 2014, 04:29 PM Post #135 |
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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/gop-strategist-obama-seems-be-only-person-really-trying-repeal-obamacare GOP Strategist: Obama Seems to Be the Only Person Really Trying to Repeal Obamacare March 17, 2014 - 4:38 PM - See more at: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-hunter/gop-strategist-obama-seems-be-only-person-really-trying-repeal-obamacare#sthash.yzPklxR0.dpuf |
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