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| LTC8K6 | Nov 12 2014, 10:38 PM Post #1201 |
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Assistant to The Devil Himself
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‘Watch out for that bus!’ Is Jonathan Gruber the WH’s next shovel-ready project? http://twitchy.com/2014/11/12/watch-out-for-that-bus-is-jonathan-gruber-the-whs-next-shovel-ready-project/
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| chatham | Nov 12 2014, 10:44 PM Post #1202 |
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And John Kerry knew about the lies. In fact he put one lie in place. It was his idea to tax the insurers instead of the people. They knew the insurance companies would pass that cost to the buyer. |
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| LTC8K6 | Nov 12 2014, 11:13 PM Post #1203 |
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http://consumerist.com/2014/11/12/patient-faces-bankruptcy-after-ambulance-takes-her-to-out-of-network-hospital/
Just reminder if you get sick away from your network: https://www.healthcare.gov/glossary/out-of-pocket-maximum-limit/ |
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| Baldo | Nov 12 2014, 11:27 PM Post #1204 |
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WaPo GOP’s anti-Obamacare push gains new momentum in wake of Gruber video The Republican Party’s ardent campaign against President Obama’s health-care law gained new momentum Wednesday as lawmakers reacted angrily to assertions by an architect of the policy that it was crafted in a deliberately deceptive way in order to pass Congress. On both sides of the Capitol, leading conservatives said they may call economist Jonathan Gruber to testify about his remarks, which were made last year and surfaced this week in a video on social media. In the video, Gruber suggests that the administration’s signature health-care legislation passed in part because of the “stupidity of the American voter” and a “lack of transparency” over its funding mechanisms. “The strategy was to hide the truth from the American people,” said Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), who is slated to chair the Senate Budget Committee next year. “That is a threat to the American republic.” Gruber has been a complicated figure in the history of the health-care law. He helped the Obama administration craft the measure and has been a leading advocate of it, but he has also made sporadic comments sparking political brush fires that have been problematic for the law’s supporters. The White House sought Wednesday to distance itself from Gruber and his comments. “The Affordable Care Act was publicly debated over the course of 14 months, with dozens of Congressional hearings, and countless town halls, speeches, and debates,” White House spokeswoman Jessica Santillo said in a statement. “The tax credits in the law that help millions of middle class Americans afford coverage were no secret, and in fact were central to the legislation. Not only do we disagree with [Gruber’s] comments, they’re simply not true.” An administration official who spoke on the condition of anonymity sought to play down Gruber’s role in developing the law, noting that he “did not work in the White House.” ...snipped http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gops-anti-obamacare-push-gains-new-momentum-in-wake-of-gruber-video/2014/11/12/e0d6b4d2-6aa7-11e4-9fb4-a622dae742a2_story.html More Lies Edited by Baldo, Nov 12 2014, 11:28 PM.
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| kbp | Nov 13 2014, 09:23 AM Post #1205 |
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That tax was discussed here early on, all realizing the consumer pays it in the end. |
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| kbp | Nov 13 2014, 09:28 AM Post #1206 |
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Think "transparency" now! From the WH: “Transparency is a key goal of the ACA" ![]() How the policy terms work, how the provider works and how the regulations apply to their terms. No problem! Edited by kbp, Nov 13 2014, 09:30 AM.
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| kbp | Nov 13 2014, 09:49 AM Post #1207 |
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“The tax credits in the law that help millions of middle class Americans afford coverage were no secret They had to toss that in, though the most prominent Gruber topic is hiding taxes from the stupid voters. Note the tax credits were actually no secret, it was which exchange could provide them that is so complicated the way they're spinning it. They need to plant INTENT of the entirety of the law up front to find a tool to justify their conflicting interpretations of provisions that could appear to be AMBIGUOUS, which is the first step before they can then plant INTENT as they see it to ?somehow? UNread the plain text they wrote in the law. . |
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| Baldo | Nov 13 2014, 09:59 PM Post #1208 |
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USA Today - Obama-care killing small rural hospitals Rural hospitals in critical condition Rural hospitals serve many of society's most vulnerable. RICHLAND, Ga. — Stewart-Webster Hospital had only 25 beds when it still treated patients. The rural hospital served this small town of 1,400 residents and those in the surrounding farms and crossroads for more than six decades. But since the hospital closed in the spring of last year, many of those in need have to travel up to 40 miles to other hospitals. That's roughly the same distance it takes to get from Times Square to Greenwich, Conn., or from the White House to Baltimore, or from downtown San Francisco to San Jose. Those trips would be unthinkable for city residents, but it's becoming a common way of life for many rural residents in this state, and across the nation. Since the beginning of 2010, 43 rural hospitals — with a total of more than 1,500 beds — have closed, according to data from the North Carolina Rural Health Research Program. The pace of closures has quickened: from 3 in 2010 to 13 in 2013, and 12 already this year. Georgia alone has lost five rural hospitals since 2012, and at least six more are teetering on the brink of collapse. Each of the state's closed hospitals served about 10,000 people — a lot for remaining area hospitals to absorb. The Affordable Care Act was designed to improve access to health care for all Americans and will give them another chance at getting health insurance during open enrollment starting this Saturday. But critics say the ACA is also accelerating the demise of rural outposts that cater to many of society's most vulnerable. These hospitals treat some of the sickest and poorest patients — those least aware of how to stay healthy. Hospital officials contend that the law's penalties for having to re-admit patients soon after they're released are impossible to avoid and create a crushing burden. "The stand-alone, community hospital is going the way of the dinosaur," says Angela Mattie, chairwoman of the health care management and organizational leadership department at Connecticut's Quinnipiac University, known for its public opinion surveys on issues including public health. The closings threaten to decimate a network of rural hospitals the federal government first established beginning in the late 1940s to ensure that no one would be without health care. It was a theme that resonated during the push for the new health law. But rural hospital officials and others say that federal regulators — along with state governments — are now starving the hospitals they created with policies and reimbursement rates that make it nearly impossible for them to stay afloat. Low Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements hurt these hospitals more than others because it's how most of their patients are insured, if they are at all. Here in Stewart County, it's a problem that expanding Medicaid to all of the poorest patients -– which the ACA intended but 23 states including Georgia have not done, according to the federal government — would help, but wouldn't solve. "They set the whole rural system up for failure," says Jimmy Lewis, CEO of Hometown Health, an association representing rural hospitals in Georgia and Alabama, believed to be the next state facing mass closures. "Through entitlements and a mandate to provide service without regard to condition, they got us to (the highest reimbursements), and now they're pulling the rug out from under us."...snipped http://www.usatoday.com/longform/news/nation/2014/11/12/rural-hospital-closings-federal-reimbursement-medicaid-aca/18532471/ Those idiots Obama & Gruber has struck again... The Goober Brothers Everything Obama touches turns to crap. |
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| Baldo | Nov 13 2014, 10:21 PM Post #1209 |
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Unbelievable EDITORIAL: Jonathan Gruber’s payday Taxpayers paid millions for the deceptions of the Obamacare architect The MIT economist who is the brains behind Obamacare has made quite a stir with his admission that President Obama’s health care takeover was built on lies. Mr. Gruber says he was willing to say and do whatever it took to advance the scheme, and now it’s clear why. Obamacare made Mr. Gruber a multimillionaire, and at the expense of the taxpayers. Video of Mr. Gruber’s remarks, delivered at a University of Pennsylvania health care conference last year, has surfaced in which he explained how the details of Obamacare were kept under wraps until the measure was rammed through the Democratic Congress with no opportunity for anyone to read the legislation. “Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Mr. Gruber said. “Call it the stupidity of the American voter, or whatever. But basically, that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.” Those “stupid” people have been extremely generous to Mr. Gruber. The Government Accountability Office (GAO) in 2010 investigated the $297,600 that the Department of Health and Human Services paid Mr. Gruber to sing the praises of the health care scheme. Congress — or part of Congress — was concerned that this payoff violated a federal law against paid government propaganda, but the GAO said it wasn’t a violation because Mr. Gruber had written his propaganda on his own time. Officially, he was paid only to “analyze various health care reform proposals and identify cost and coverage implications.”....snipped But it gets worse as that is only the tip of the Iceberg! ...This is an extraordinarily lucrative enterprise in the age of Obamacare that Mr. Gruber himself brought about. Individual states have lavished taxpayer cash on Mr. Gruber in return for cookie-cutter reports that describe the impact of Obamacare for each of the several states. Minnesota, for example, used federal Obamacare grants to pay Mr. Gruber to attend one meeting, participate in a biweekly email list and print a copy of the report, all for $329,000. Wisconsin paid Mr. Gruber $400,000 for the same material, requested by the office of then-Gov. Jim Doyle, a Democrat. When the report was presented, Gov. Scott Walker, a Republican, didn’t want Mr. Gruber at the news conference. Vermont is paying him another $400,000. Such a deal! West Virginia, Maine, Colorado and Oregon have partaken of Mr. Gruber’s services, too, guaranteeing him a tidy sum. The money bought lies and deception. That’s Mr. Gruber’s characterization, not ours. “If you had a law which made it explicit that healthy people are going to pay in and sick people get money,” said Mr. Gruber, “it would not have passed.”...snipped http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/13/editorial-jonathan-grubers-payday/ Where did that money from the states come from? Obama-care grants. Pretty slick trick on the American People. Call them stupid, lie to them, then collect millions. No wonder he is such a slick smirking elite ![]() I hope the Republicans in the Senate & House have the balls to call him before hearings under oath and question him about what he did & what did he tell Obama. Edited by Baldo, Nov 13 2014, 10:23 PM.
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| chatham | Nov 13 2014, 10:31 PM Post #1210 |
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If he misled everyone before, will he be honest in front of congress? Once a liar, always a liar. Definition of a liberal. One who believes other people are dumb. How do you know when liberals are lieing? They vote present. |
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| Baldo | Nov 14 2014, 12:14 AM Post #1211 |
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This Democrat Is Giving Up on ObamaCare The disastrous rollout of the Affordable Care Act was the catalyst for my party’s midterm thumping. http://online.wsj.com/articles/burke-beu-this-democrat-is-giving-up-on-obamacare-1415919619 |
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| chatham | Nov 14 2014, 08:13 AM Post #1212 |
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Gruber also did Romneycare. Ted Kennedy got lots of money to support romneycare. Romney knew kennedy was robbing us taxpayers to pay for romneycare. Now it makes sense when romney said during his campaign that obamacare would not work for the country, only a state. It would cost more than we could afford to run obamacare. But it would only cost a little robbing money from medicaid, or whatever, to support health care in Mass. Romney knew. He is as responsible as gruber for not telling the AMerican people the truth about obamacare. http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/13/obamacare-architect-ted-kennedy-ripped-off-medicaid-video/ Edited by chatham, Nov 14 2014, 08:26 AM.
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| MikeZPU | Nov 14 2014, 11:18 AM Post #1213 |
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/11/13/3-things-white-house-doesnt-want-to-know-about-obamacare-plus-3-things-coming/ Goo article about all the lies about Obamacare being told by the White House. ObamaCare architect and MIT professor Jonathan Gruber’s remarks about the "stupidity" of the American voter and the passage of ObamaCare is bad enough. What is even more disturbing are his comments about the bill’s deliberate lack of transparency. White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest’s denials Thursday were also absurd. The arrogance and condescension that has too often characterized the Obama administration’s policies have put the American public in the unfortunate position of having to learn about the health care changes the hard way, on their own. Here are three crucial changes that the president clearly didn’t want you to know about: 1. HUGE DEFICITS AND NEW TAXES. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the latest projections for the net cost of ObamaCare over the next ten years are just over $1.4 trillion. Whereas President Obama promised in 2009 that it would cost less than $1 trillion over ten years. In order to partially pay for this, ObamaCare has added more than 20 new taxes totaling over $500 billion. 2. BUREAUCRACY. Speaking of Orwellian politics, ObamaCare includes 159 new boards and agencies to restrict and govern your health care choices. 3. STILL MORE BUREAUCRACY. Dysfunctional state exchanges with high deductible policies, narrow doctor networks, including federally-run exchanges in 36 states which may not be allowable under the law (SCOTUS currently considering this case). Here are three new things coming up in 2015 that you aren’t going to like: 1. PENALTIES WILL RISE – INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. In 2014, people are facing a penalty of $95 per person or 1% of income. In 2015, the penalty will more than triple to $325 per person or 2% of income, whichever is higher. If an American failed to get coverage this year, the penalty will be taken out of their tax refund in early 2015. 2. SERIOUS RATE HIKES FOR CHEAPER OBAMACARE PLANS. According to Investor’s Business Daily, the lowest cost bronze plan will increase an average of 7 % in many cases, the lowest cost silver plan by 9%, and the lowest priced catastrophic policy will climb 18 percent on average. Double digit rate hikes are anticipated in several southern and Midwestern states including Kansas, Iowa, Louisiana, North and South Carolina, Tennessee, Iowa, and Virginia. Subsidies will continue to be a huge part of the program. In 2014, subsidies provided ¾ of the premiums for the federally-run exchanges. 3. EMPLOYER MANDATE WILL TAKE EFFECT. After being delayed for a year, large businesses (100 or more employees in 2015, 50 or more in 2016) will be required to offer affordable (and subsidized) health plans to at least 70 percent of their full time employees or face a $2,000-$3,000 penalty per employee. This mandate will lead to fewer full time employees being hired. The latest Kaiser Family Foundation poll in July revealed that 53 percent of those surveyed had an unfavorable view of ObamaCare. I expect this number to rise as more of ObamaCare’s “bells and whistles” are rolled out. Americans are experiencing ObamaCare as a cancer of the health care system. -- The more it grows, the more it infiltrates and destroys healthy tissue. Dr. Marc Siegel, a practicing internist, joined FOX News Channel (FNC) as a contributor in 2008. |
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| MikeZPU | Nov 14 2014, 11:34 AM Post #1214 |
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This preposterous lie is just more evidence that Obama and his cronies think the American voters are stupid. |
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| kbp | Nov 14 2014, 11:39 AM Post #1215 |
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No problem...just tweak Ocare to fix it... add funding for the HHS Busing and Ambulatory Service Division. |
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