| Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare | |
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| Baldo | Mar 14 2014, 11:31 AM Post #106 |
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I doubt we will ever get an honest accounting of the numbers. Obama & his Administration has demonstrated time & time again that they just lie. It just goes on & on. Edited by Baldo, Mar 14 2014, 11:31 AM.
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| kbp | Mar 14 2014, 11:43 AM Post #107 |
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Maybe public information could expose lies. |
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| kbp | Mar 14 2014, 11:45 AM Post #108 |
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-individual-mandate-exemptions-everyone Is The Obamacare Mandate Loophole So Big It Applies To Everyone? |
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| kbp | Mar 14 2014, 11:59 AM Post #109 |
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http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/14/Why-the-White-House-Kept-the-Opt-Out-Exemption-to-the-Individual-Mandate-Quiet Why the White House Kept the Opt-Out Exemption to the Individual Mandate Quiet An article which cites another at Salon: http://www.salon.com/2014/03/14/surprise_gop_has_another_obamacare_obsession/ Surprise! GOP has another Obamacare obsession Where Salon blames the GOP for Barry's alteration of Obamacare!  The Brian Beutler @ Salon must be getting his talking points from Pelosi. |
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| kbp | Mar 14 2014, 12:09 PM Post #110 |
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Pelosi is complaining about a 5 year delay attached. Sure makes the "Medicare savings" to pay for Obamacare confusing if they bump the pay rates! |
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| Baldo | Mar 16 2014, 08:46 PM Post #111 |
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We completely overhauled American health care — to insure 4.2 million people? ANALYSIS/OPINION: The number bounced around for years — 46 million. President Obama said it in August 2009: “I don’t have to explain to you that nearly 46 million Americans don’t have health insurance coverage today. In the wealthiest nation on Earth, 46 million of our fellow citizens have no coverage.” He said it dozens more times, including in June 2013: “We are not a nation that accepts nearly 46 million uninsured men, women and children.” The Obama administration pumped the number with official reports. The White House Council of Economic Advisers said, “Perhaps the most visible sign of the need for health care reform is the 46 million Americans currently without health insurance.” The Census Bureau got in on the act, too, saying some 48 million Americans lacked health insurance. It was official: Nearly 15 percent of America’s 313 million citizens had no coverage and were, as Mr. Obama loved to say over and over to hype the fear, “one illness away from financial ruin.” So, he created Obamacare. The crux of the biscuit: The United States would completely change its entire health care system to make sure those 46 million got insured. Well, at least that’s what every rational American thought. If there are 46 million uninsured, and the president and Congress are overhauling the system, it must be to solve the whole problem — not just part of it. But last week came word that with just 15 days left for people to enroll for federal coverage, just 4.2 million had. The math is simple: That’s just 9 percent of the supposedly 46 million uninsured. “It will be a larger number than that by the end of March,” Mr. Obama promised in an interview with WebMD. “At this point, enough people are signing up that the Affordable Care Act is going to work.” Still, the obvious question is: We changed the $2.7 trillion health care system to sign up 4.2 million people?...snipped ....What’s more, it turns out many of those signing up to the program already had insurance. “Few uninsured Americans are gaining coverage under Obamacare,” CNN reported in early March. Just 27 percent of the enrollees were previously uninsured, according to a survey conducted in February by McKinsey & Co. To top it all off, reports have emerged that many of the enrollees are more elderly and more unhealthy, which is likely to tax the system heavily just as it gets started. What’s surprising is how little the mainstream media cares. The White House now says it was hoping to enroll 8 million in the first year — but does anyone remember that being a big selling point as the president crisscrossed the country scaring Americans? And no one in the MSM blinked an eye when the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office said that in 2023, Obamacare will still have left 31 million people without health insurance while adding more than $1.7 trillion in federal spending...snipped http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/16/curl-we-completely-overhauled-american-health-care/ According if 4.2 million signed up.. we still don't know how many have paid(let's guess 70% paid), but if we take only 27% didn't have insurance That means we likely have only signed up 4.2 million x .70 x .27 = 793,800 new PAID-UP uninsured people are covered. How much money in premiums did we take in from them? My guess is little. EPIC Failure! Edited by Baldo, Mar 16 2014, 08:50 PM.
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 10:43 AM Post #112 |
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That's a good article to share, Baldo, the type of news I want to see...DATA! They need to add the cost per person within that data, it is too much to do in our heads. By the end of March the number will be just over 5 million "enrollees", with probably about 20-25% of those as no-pays*. The newly insured, those previously uninsured, will be near 1 million (an easier number to work with). The latest CBO numbers indicated $1.8 trillion, not $1.7 (not sure why article had the lower number). That number includes the cost for Medicaid expansion. In addition to that, the cost increase for the previously insured went up $1 trillion, bumping the total to $2.8 trillion. I do not recall what the exact cost for Medicaid expansion was, but feel $2 trillion as a direct result of the Obamacare insurance is a reasonable number. Recall the other issues, like taxes and disincentives to working**, will add a $1+ trillion indirect cost to our economy, so that number certainly justifies using the $2 trillion as the minimum cost. Divided over 10 years, we have an average of $200 billion per year. CBO initially had the head count for the newly insured (exchange plans) reaching a steady 9 million, IIRC. They're way off on the front end of that now, so it's my guess they're best hope will be closer to 5 million average over the first decade. The delays in Employer Mandate and added exemptions for the Individual Mandate will screw up the numbers they had used. We'll end up paying $200 billion per year to insure 5 million individuals. I'm on my smartphone, so somebody else will have to divide that to determine the cost per person (I'd appreciate the help!). Of course we'll have added benefits, like pregnancy coverage for men. * - The only official numbers we've seen for no-pays indicated 35% at the end of February in seven states. Since they had given them loads of grace period time for January, a few as late as Feb 15 for Jan 1 coverage(!), I doubt if that high number will hold out through the entire enrollment period. I'm guessing near 25% will be the overall number, allowing for late pays and those who drop out within the first couple months of coverage. ** - Obamacare subsidies and Medicaid expansion function like the disincentives for working found in Welfare. The only solutions are reduce the entitlements paid out and/or increase minimum wage to reduce the incentive ...which raises prices for cost-of-living, and entitlements follow the circle! From a link I'd saved for future reference:
Edited by kbp, Mar 17 2014, 10:44 AM.
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 01:16 PM Post #113 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=UUCj2OE6mkIuPY3vP4pazmqQ&v=anWOTy1Yazc#t=39 Obamacare Promises: Then vs. Now (1 minute) This video follows automatically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBa1nmDPSjQ&list=UUCj2OE6mkIuPY3vP4pazmqQ Guy Benson on Fox News: Obama Asks Democrats 'do you still have my back' (4 minutes) Begs for mo' money, ignoring his promises brought mo' costs! |
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| Baldo | Mar 17 2014, 01:33 PM Post #114 |
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Real data! For an administration which was so good with Big Data in the campaigns they are sure "in the dark" according to themselves. I don't believe it one bit. Your figure of 1,000,000 newly paid-up ex-non-insured is probably in the ballpark. let's see how long before the MSM reports it & how much have they paid. Aso, of those 1,000,000, how many were medicaid and free? |
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| chatham | Mar 17 2014, 01:43 PM Post #115 |
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obamas sweet sixteen…. reason to get covered. http://www.whitehouse.gov//acabracket?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=031714p1&utm_campaign=ACABracket#section-vote |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 01:53 PM Post #116 |
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My guess is 1 million in addition to the Medicaid expansion. I really do not have a very educated guess as to how many were added to Medicaid solely as a result of the expansion, and the government will not have that number either. They can estimate what it is according to the expansion of income allowed for enrollment, but a percentage of those would not have enrolled absent the motivation stirred up for FREE MONEY. I suppose they could guesstimate it. Edited by kbp, Mar 17 2014, 01:54 PM.
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| chatham | Mar 17 2014, 01:54 PM Post #117 |
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Obamacare rule would let insurance companies 'modify' plans to cut down on cancellation notices http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-rule-would-let-insurance-companies-modify-plans-to-cut-down-on-cancellation-notices/article/2545797 |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 01:58 PM Post #118 |
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News to me... http://washingtonexaminer.com/no-house-republicans-havent-voted-50-times-to-repeal-obamacare/article/2545733 No, House Republicans haven't voted 50 times to repeal Obamacare BY BYRON YORK ...The only problem is, the truism isn't true. The House has actually voted to repeal Obamacare in its entirety six times. It lists "the first 49 Republican-passed Obamacare measures." York is a Congressman. |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 02:04 PM Post #119 |
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It still subjects policies to rate changes while reducing the number forced into Obamacare. A stage of partial repeal (a big part) through rewriting regulations? A slower death approach to rewriting stricter rules later (2017)? If he gets credit for nothing else, Barry has mastered uncertainty! |
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| kbp | Mar 17 2014, 02:11 PM Post #120 |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/03/17/when-the-spin-is-totally-unbelievable-send-in-pfeiffer/ When the spin is totally unbelievable, send in Pfeiffer When the White House wants someone on the Sunday shows to deny that anything at all is wrong (e.g., the Internal Revenue Service scandal, Benghazi) they usually send out Dan Pfeiffer. (There are probably some things that not even Susan Rice would be willing to say.) The White House did it again on Sunday to argue — so incredibly even his former colleague Robert Gibbs pooh-poohed it — that the Dems would keep the Senate; there is no electoral problem with Obamacare (not even in the Florida-13th!) and the president would be needed far and wide to keep the Senate majority. Such is the life of a shameless spinner. Pfeiffer also asserted on Meet the Press that the loss of doctors — because patients are shuffled into plans with less generous choices of doctors and hospitals — wasn’t the president’s problem. (“Insurance companies make decisions about what doctor is in your network. That was true before Obamacare. That’s true after Obamacare. There’s nothing in Obamacare that’s going to cause — mandates an insurance company make any change around doctors. That’s a decision for insurance companies because Obamacare is built on the private insurance system.”) A more aggressive host would have asked why it was then that the president and all those senators promised Americans they could keep their doctors.... |
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