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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,627 Views)
kbp

Just a reminder...

The 3-R's bailout ends 2016. The projection for enrollment is going down. The insurance company participation is going up. The policy pools will be falling short of enough healthy participants to keep premium prices down.

I have no idea what the administrations cure for this mess is!
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http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/hhs-obamacare-enrollment-2015-112746.html

...Ron Pollack of the consumer advocacy group Families said...“What is crucial is that everybody involved in the enrollment process works as effectively as possible to reach people who are currently uninsured, and that task is critical because the vast majority of people who are currently uninsured are unaware of the availability of premium subsidies. Unless that information gap is bridged, a lot of people who need coverage and would probably enroll in coverage will fail to do so.”
In Barry's words, they need to get the message across!
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Nov 11 2014, 01:56 PM
Just a reminder...

The 3-R's bailout ends 2016. The projection for enrollment is going down. The insurance company participation is going up. The policy pools will be falling short of enough healthy participants to keep premium prices down.

I have no idea what the administrations cure for this mess is!
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We were told a higher percentage of those signing up were sick, compared to projections.

We know from Media reports (on Ebola) and the Illegals-promoting policy that Emergency Rooms are still full of people without insurance.

The Admin has never wanted to talk about the underlying financials. They wanted to get it in the door and then have it be a costly failed institution. But it would equalize things because it would end Employer-provider based Health Insurance.

If it's not stopped by the Legislative or Judicial branch, it will end Employer-provided Health Care.

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Look Where We Are in 2014 - and Where We Are Going.



Edited by Baldo, Nov 11 2014, 11:20 PM.
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That MIT professor said he is sorry he used the words he did about how stupid the voters are. But this elitist never apologized did he.
And romney used this guy for his Mass. health care. hmmmmmm

It would be wrong for me to comment further.
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By May 2013, the cost for the decade that followed had been estimated to be $1.8 trillion. I think you had the old 2010 10YR estimate. The first hew years there the taxes had not yet kicked in, so it was much lower. The 10YR forecast from 2015 is even much higher.
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Nov 11 2014, 07:44 PM
That MIT professor said he is sorry he used the words he did about how stupid the voters are. But this elitist never apologized did he.
And romney used this guy for his Mass. health care. hmmmmmm

It would be wrong for me to comment further.
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Gruber is part of the DEM Royalty that was screwing America.

I think he is also on record spilling the beans about the verbiage saying subsidies can only be given by State Exchanges. He seems to run very fast from her words when he gets a call from the WH.

I would not argue with someone that says Romney doesn't get it. One thing he does say that has some truth is that his plan was for a Wealthy state. A Wealthy state that was in favor of it.

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Krauthammer: ObamaCare Architect Remarks 'True Voice of Liberal Arrogance'

On Tuesday’s broadcast of Fox News Channel’s “The O’Reilly Factor,” Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer reacted to ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber’s ill-advised remarks in which he declared voters too disengaged with the crafting and ultimate passage of ObamaCare – something he described as a political advantage.

Krauthammer described it as “liberal arrogance.”

"This is exactly what conservatives have been saying for four years, what we're hearing now is the true voice of liberal arrogance," he said. "They believe this. They believe that the voters are stupid, as he said. And they believe that they know the right way, they have to lead the masses to the promise land and they can only do it by deception."

“And that's what he said openly,” he continued. “We wanted to get the bill. We didn't care about how we did it so we lied about everything. We lied about if you can keep the plan knowing that you can't keep your plan. We lied about the fact that this would be a transfer of wealth, a massive transfer of wealth because, as Gruber said, had they known that, it would never have passed. They lied about every aspect of this.

Krauthammer also took aim at the media for not being more active in showing the deception involved in the passage of legislation.

"I think that is what has been charged all along and it is a scandal of the media that this has to be discovered in the sixth year of the presidency rather than talked about at the time when it was obvious they were lying about all this,” he added. “The idea of it being a transfer of wealth was known from the beginning, but they got away with it."

Video at site

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/11/11/Krauthammer-ObamaCare-Architect-Remarks-True-Voice-of-Liberal-Arrogance
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Nov 11 2014, 10:36 PM
Mason
Nov 11 2014, 07:26 PM
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By May 2013, the cost for the decade that followed had been estimated to be $1.8 trillion. I think you had the old 2010 10YR estimate. The first hew years there the taxes had not yet kicked in, so it was much lower. The 10YR forecast from 2015 is even much higher.
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Yes, they're old numbers.

When things are said and done you can multiply by three the highest estimates.

No one made projections for Obama's opening of the border, for one.

I can tell you the great lessening of Emergency Room use is not going to pay for its part as Obama planned, supposedly. You have Millions without Insurance, he wants Africans let in en masse, and the Southern Border overrun. Then you figure the sick people working and trying to pay $6,000 a year deductibles, before paying 20% for operations. Couple that with the upcoming spiking of the Penalty there is going to be snowballing - and those people are going to join the uninsured.

There was a campaign to join Obamacare - that's going to be replaced by young people struggling to make payments / deductibles - and there will be a lag in people that end up owing the IRS and have no insurance.

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Edited by Baldo, Nov 11 2014, 11:21 PM.
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Nov 11 2014, 11:06 PM
Krauthammer: ObamaCare Architect Remarks 'True Voice of Liberal Arrogance'

On Tuesday’s broadcast of Fox News Channel’s “The O’Reilly Factor,” Washington Post columnist Charles Krauthammer reacted to ObamaCare architect Jonathan Gruber’s ill-advised remarks in which he declared voters too disengaged with the crafting and ultimate passage of ObamaCare – something he described as a political advantage.

Krauthammer described it as “liberal arrogance.”

"This is exactly what conservatives have been saying for four years, what we're hearing now is the true voice of liberal arrogance," he said. "They believe this. They believe that the voters are stupid, as he said. And they believe that they know the right way, they have to lead the masses to the promise land and they can only do it by deception."

“And that's what he said openly,” he continued. “We wanted to get the bill. We didn't care about how we did it so we lied about everything. We lied about if you can keep the plan knowing that you can't keep your plan. We lied about the fact that this would be a transfer of wealth, a massive transfer of wealth because, as Gruber said, had they known that, it would never have passed. They lied about every aspect of this.

Krauthammer also took aim at the media for not being more active in showing the deception involved in the passage of legislation.

"I think that is what has been charged all along and it is a scandal of the media that this has to be discovered in the sixth year of the presidency rather than talked about at the time when it was obvious they were lying about all this,” he added. “The idea of it being a transfer of wealth was known from the beginning, but they got away with it."

Video at site

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/11/11/Krauthammer-ObamaCare-Architect-Remarks-True-Voice-of-Liberal-Arrogance
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His remarks were brilliant.

I am shocked when O'Reilly still acts like he doesn't know what Obama is going to do. It's like he was recently dropped from the sky onto earth sometimes.



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Megyn Kelly had the first Gruber clip on her show. Then she shown an interview with Gruber on at a friendly channel(MSNBC) where he said he misspoke and didn't mean it. It was a slip.

However Kelly had another clip at a different conference where he basically said the same thing. Therefore the clip basically showed him lying about lying.

The topper is HHS paid him $400,000 for consultant fees on Obama-care and logs show him in the White House at least 9 times & one was a committee meeting with Obama chairing it.

Another Dem Pundit was on the Kelly File and he basically lied again. She couldn't believe it as he avoided answering questions about the deception.

This is Toxic

When the new Senate takes control expect Gruber to be called before a Senate committee
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No one is mentioning the lower payments to Doctors, which is going to make a certain percentage work strictly off of Cash and serve the wealthy.

No one is mentioning the quality of the care - and the people that don't see Doctors when the wait times and drive times rise as these Docs are removed from serving their former patients.

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The media hasn't made the connection between Gruber's comments and the other statements made by Obama and his team.

Another Obamacare architect said there is no reason to live past 75.

Obama himself said that Obamacare is designed to help many of the people opposing it, but they don't understand that.

And why are State Exchanges the only place to get subsidies (per the law):

http://youtu.be/34rttqLh12U


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Underlying Financials going up in Flames.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/youre-gonna-pay-obamacares-cadillac-181943702.html

Remember the one about, it won't add a penny to the debt.


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It’s Not Just Dumb, It’s Krugman Dumb!
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