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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,628 Views)
LTC8K6
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/11/gruber-strikes-again.php

Gruber strikes again
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Mason
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Notice how the CBO is just there to be taken advantage of, or are they really active participants in the scam?

I know they're a sham used by DEMS for a long, long time.

And the media speaks of them in glowing terms, yet they are always way off, conveniently.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/102169534


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kbp

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Nov 10 2014, 12:57 PM
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Gruber expanded on the theme of deception:

  • In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in – you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed… Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass.
This statement leaves me wondering if somebody at the top of the Obamacare team actually planted the wording to create the Halbig type case, or IOW, worked to hide the corrupt backdoor used to give us something a step closer to single payer coverage.

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This term, Team Obama will insult the intelligence of the Supreme Court by claiming that (1) the Obamacare statute doesn’t mean what it plainly says because (2) no rationale can explain why the statute was written the way it was. Yet the obvious rationale for the statutory language has been supplied by Gruber, the key Obamacare architect
The legal team does not really argue the "no rationale" strategy, just more the best interpretation with the off-the-wall rewrite of that "by the State" means by the Fed on behalf of the States.
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kbp

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/10/u-penn-deletes-video-of-obamacare-architect-insulting-american-voters/print/
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http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/11/10/univ-pennsylvania-removes-video-event-featuring-obamacare-architect

Penn U deleted and then replaced the video of Gruber in question. They also refused to allow Fox News to use their video!
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kbp

Mason
Nov 10 2014, 02:36 PM
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Notice how the CBO is just there to be taken advantage of, or are they really active participants in the scam?

I know they're a sham used by DEMS for a long, long time.

And the media speaks of them in glowing terms, yet they are always way off, conveniently.


http://www.cnbc.com/id/102169534


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...Federal officials on Monday sought to lower expectations for upcoming enrollment in Obamacare, announcing that they now believe that only between 9 million and 9.9 million people [from 13 million] will be enrolled in Affordable Care Act health insurance plans by the end of 2015.
I thought we had >8 million already? It may just be an effort to lower the bar and make success easier.

The first 6 months of 2014 provided an increase of approx. 2,465,586 more people insured. Using the 2.5 million, that means we evidently are left with 54.5 million uninsured (including the illegal immigrants).

The 8+ Million number has problems and/or they'll lose/lost many of the enrollees and/or there are other reasons the uninsured will not sign up... maybe since it looks like only 2.5 million uninsured signed up, that group is not all that interested in healthcare. They still have the ER without enrolling.

The 2.5 million is just over 4% of the uninsured, or less than 1% of our population (< 8/10 of 1%). Considering the cost of Obamacare, they may need to lower a few more bars. It's regulated ALL of our insurance in order to help such a small proportion of us ....think disparity!

ADD: Recall how early on we had discussed the fact they were stealing private coverage customers with FREE MONEY to paint a good outcome for Obamacare.
Edited by kbp, Nov 10 2014, 06:39 PM.
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kbp

Oh yeah... Healthcare dot gov opens Sunday, so premium savings increases may be a headline topic Monday, unless all have accepted what we should anticipate.

ADD: oops! Make that Saturday.
Edited by kbp, Nov 10 2014, 07:52 PM.
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kbp

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http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/11/symposium-king-v-burwell-a-simple-case/

Symposium: King v. Burwell – a simple case
By Patrick Wyrick

  • Patrick Wyrick is the Solicitor General of Oklahoma and among counsel to several states as amicus curiae urging review of King. He is also counsel in Oklahoma v. Burwell, the first case raising a challenge to this IRS rule.
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Good read, though long and hits too much on politics half way through it.


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Scotus Chief Justice Roberts ought to feel like a big fool tonight. Gruber spilled the beans on the scam and Roberts is a damn idiot for falling for it.

How much you want to bet this revelation effects the court?

Roberts just didn't have the guts to follow the law.
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MikeZPU

LTC8K6
Nov 10 2014, 12:57 PM
This is gold.

This is what happens when Liberals forget they're being recorded
and think they are safely in the confines of their liberal-think bubble.

"The stupidity of the American voter" -- amazing that he said that.

Republicans need to take advantage of this comment in the next election.

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Mason
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Nov 10 2014, 09:42 PM
LTC8K6
Nov 10 2014, 12:57 PM
This is gold.

This is what happens when Liberals forget they're being recorded
and think they are safely in the confines of their liberal-think bubble.

"The stupidity of the American voter" -- amazing that he said that.

Republicans need to take advantage of this comment in the next election.

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His words of hiding the Truth from Voters in order to get important Policy passed, in his mind, was out there for a year. For a year posted on the Internet.


The Media just wasn't interested.


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kbp

http://spectator.org/articles/60918/if-words-mean-anything-obamacare-real-trouble
If Words Mean Anything, Obamacare Is in Real Trouble
The Supreme Court will rule on whether the IRS can ignore the text of the law.


Good read, not too long.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/11/10/why_the_new_health_law_challenge_should_be_taken_seriously.html#.VGDKC77Q0uV.twitter
Why the New Health Law Challenge Should Be Taken Seriously

Shorter, with a couple good points.
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Baldo
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We posted about this earlier today but the story is getting traction

ObamaCare architect: 'Stupidity' of voters helped bill pass


In a clip unearthed Sunday, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Jonathan Gruber appears on a panel and discusses how the reform earned enough votes to pass.

He suggested that many lawmakers and voters didn't know what was in the law or how its financing worked, and that this helped it win approval.

"Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. "And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass."

Gruber made the comment while discussing how the law was "written in a tortured way" to avoid a bad score from the Congressional Budget Office. He suggested that voters would have rejected ObamaCare if the penalties for going without health insurance were interpreted as taxes, either by budget analysts or the public.

"If CBO scored the [individual] mandate as taxes, the bill dies," Gruber said.

"If you had a law that made it explicit that healthy people are going to pay in and sick people are going to get subsidies, it would not have passed," he added.

The Clip is generating significant attention in conservative media. Gruber declined to comment in an email.

The economist, who helped design a Massachusetts law that inspired ObamaCare, said he wished "we could make it all transparent, but I'd rather have this law than not."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/223578-obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-helped-law-pass


This arrogant assh*le screws the American public and is proud of it.

And to those Democratic Politicians who voted for it :bump: :bump:

BTW Mary Landrieu is Toast! I can see the ads now
Edited by Baldo, Nov 11 2014, 01:00 AM.
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kbp

The Halbig case centers on whether or not the provisions of the law, combined with the overall objectives of the entire law, are ambiguous enough to allow the IRS to redefine where the tax credits may come from.

In the ruling from the 4th Circuit, they seem to somehow split Section 1311(d)(1) in the manner I emphasize with color coding:

  • (d) REQUIREMENTS.—

    (1) IN GENERAL.—An Exchange shall be a governmental agency or nonprofit entity that is established by a State.
That's the "REQUIREMENTS" for who gets to hand out FREE MONEY. The 4th evidently decided the part in blue was to be some sort of definition, while the complete context that includes the red is to be ignored (gosh darn that plain text!).

They appear to have concluded the law must mean that HHS establishing a governmental agency or nonprofit entity exchange to mean "federal government acts on behalf of the state" to therefore create an exchange...that is established by a State.

Anyway, I'm not sure how Gruber's various remarks are good for the plaintiffs, other than preventing him from testifying hogwash about the intent behind how they wrote the law ...AND... upsetting any Justices that might be on the fence with this case (I say that assuming they are all human beings, holding out exception for Ginsburg!).

Edited by kbp, Nov 11 2014, 10:00 AM.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/11/us/us-gives-modest-forecast-for-enrollments-under-health-law.html

Estimate of Health Coverage Enrollment Leaves Room to Grow

The Obama administration on Monday offered a surprisingly modest estimate of the number of people who would sign up for health insurance in the second round of open enrollment, which begins on Saturday.

Sylvia Mathews Burwell, the secretary of health and human services, said she was working on the assumption that a total of 9.1 million people would have such coverage at the end of next year.

By contrast, the Congressional Budget Office had estimated that 13 million people would be enrolled next year, with the total rising to 24 million in 2016. In the past, the White House has used the budget office numbers as a benchmark for success under the Affordable Care Act.

The new estimate appeared to be part of an effort by federal officials to lower public expectations...

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President Obama announced in April that eight million people had signed up for health insurance under the Affordable Care Act. Officials said Monday that enrollment had declined to 7.1 million after some people failed to pay their share of premiums and others were found to be ineligible because of unresolved questions about their citizenship or immigration status.

The Department of Health and Human Services estimated that enrollment, including renewals and new customers, would reach 10 million to 11 million by the end of the three-month sign-up period, which closes on Feb. 15.

However, if Ms. Burwell is right, the number would shrink to 9.1 million people at the end of next year. That would still be a 28 percent increase over the number believed to have marketplace coverage today.

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In making their estimates, federal health officials said, they assumed that 83 percent of the people with marketplace coverage — 5.9 million of the 7.1 million people in “qualified health plans” — would renew their coverage.

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Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming, the chairman of the Senate Republican Policy Committee, said that people were skeptical of the law and “aren’t signing up because they realize it’s not a good deal for them.”

[...]
Lower the bar.... as people realize the out-of-pocket expense and the ER is still open to the uninsured.

...federal health officials said...5.9 million...would renew their coverage.

That's much better than being as low as the 4 million I had posted it might come in at, but still a big stretch from Barry's 8+ Million.
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kbp

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http://online.wsj.com/articles/health-law-enrollment-in-2015-wont-meet-forecast-1415666606

...Officials also say that the CBO had assumed more people would lose employer coverage and wind up using the exchanges, and that hasn’t turned out to be the case.
I guess they couldn't quite steal as many previously insured as they had hoped!

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A new window-shopping tool on the federal insurance website that debuted late Sunday is giving consumers the first glimpse of health-insurance prices for next year. The tool suggests that many people who bought insurance plans through HealthCare.gov will see their premiums increase in 2015 unless they are willing to switch health-insurance carriers.

...A scan of the rates posted late Sunday shows that in Florida, Georgia, Missouri and North Carolina, for instance, the unsubsidized monthly premium for the least-expensive midrange “silver” health plan available to people in the state capital area will go up by a few dollars. In Arizona and New Jersey, it will fall. But for customers in all those states, there is one important caveat: To get the lowest price, they will have to switch insurance carriers.
My error! If a customers plan increases more than the "silver" plan rate, they have to make up the difference and the maximum percentage of income to be paid before subsidies kick in will not cover that. This might have more people dropping coverage, in addition to the out-of-pocket.
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