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| LTC8K6 | Nov 10 2014, 12:57 PM Post #1156 |
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/11/gruber-strikes-again.php Gruber strikes again |
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| Mason | Nov 10 2014, 02:36 PM Post #1157 |
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. Notice how the CBO is just there to be taken advantage of, or are they really active participants in the scam? I know they're a sham used by DEMS for a long, long time. And the media speaks of them in glowing terms, yet they are always way off, conveniently. http://www.cnbc.com/id/102169534 . |
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| kbp | Nov 10 2014, 05:22 PM Post #1158 |
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This statement leaves me wondering if somebody at the top of the Obamacare team actually planted the wording to create the Halbig type case, or IOW, worked to hide the corrupt backdoor used to give us something a step closer to single payer coverage. The legal team does not really argue the "no rationale" strategy, just more the best interpretation with the off-the-wall rewrite of that "by the State" means by the Fed on behalf of the States. |
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| kbp | Nov 10 2014, 06:07 PM Post #1159 |
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/10/u-penn-deletes-video-of-obamacare-architect-insulting-american-voters/print/ and http://nation.foxnews.com/2014/11/10/univ-pennsylvania-removes-video-event-featuring-obamacare-architect Penn U deleted and then replaced the video of Gruber in question. They also refused to allow Fox News to use their video! |
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| kbp | Nov 10 2014, 06:37 PM Post #1160 |
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I thought we had >8 million already? It may just be an effort to lower the bar and make success easier. The first 6 months of 2014 provided an increase of approx. 2,465,586 more people insured. Using the 2.5 million, that means we evidently are left with 54.5 million uninsured (including the illegal immigrants). The 8+ Million number has problems and/or they'll lose/lost many of the enrollees and/or there are other reasons the uninsured will not sign up... maybe since it looks like only 2.5 million uninsured signed up, that group is not all that interested in healthcare. They still have the ER without enrolling. The 2.5 million is just over 4% of the uninsured, or less than 1% of our population (< 8/10 of 1%). Considering the cost of Obamacare, they may need to lower a few more bars. It's regulated ALL of our insurance in order to help such a small proportion of us ....think disparity! ADD: Recall how early on we had discussed the fact they were stealing private coverage customers with FREE MONEY to paint a good outcome for Obamacare. Edited by kbp, Nov 10 2014, 06:39 PM.
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| kbp | Nov 10 2014, 06:42 PM Post #1161 |
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Oh yeah... Healthcare dot gov opens Sunday, so premium ADD: oops! Make that Saturday. Edited by kbp, Nov 10 2014, 07:52 PM.
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| kbp | Nov 10 2014, 08:25 PM Post #1162 |
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Good read, though long and hits too much on politics half way through it. |
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| Baldo | Nov 10 2014, 08:39 PM Post #1163 |
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Scotus Chief Justice Roberts ought to feel like a big fool tonight. Gruber spilled the beans on the scam and Roberts is a damn idiot for falling for it. How much you want to bet this revelation effects the court? Roberts just didn't have the guts to follow the law. |
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| MikeZPU | Nov 10 2014, 09:42 PM Post #1164 |
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This is gold. This is what happens when Liberals forget they're being recorded and think they are safely in the confines of their liberal-think bubble. "The stupidity of the American voter" -- amazing that he said that. Republicans need to take advantage of this comment in the next election. |
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| Mason | Nov 10 2014, 09:50 PM Post #1165 |
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. His words of hiding the Truth from Voters in order to get important Policy passed, in his mind, was out there for a year. For a year posted on the Internet. The Media just wasn't interested. . |
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| kbp | Nov 10 2014, 10:16 PM Post #1166 |
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http://spectator.org/articles/60918/if-words-mean-anything-obamacare-real-trouble If Words Mean Anything, Obamacare Is in Real Trouble The Supreme Court will rule on whether the IRS can ignore the text of the law. Good read, not too long. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/11/10/why_the_new_health_law_challenge_should_be_taken_seriously.html#.VGDKC77Q0uV.twitter Why the New Health Law Challenge Should Be Taken Seriously Shorter, with a couple good points. |
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| Baldo | Nov 11 2014, 12:53 AM Post #1167 |
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We posted about this earlier today but the story is getting traction ObamaCare architect: 'Stupidity' of voters helped bill pass In a clip unearthed Sunday, Massachusetts Institute of Technology Professor Jonathan Gruber appears on a panel and discusses how the reform earned enough votes to pass. He suggested that many lawmakers and voters didn't know what was in the law or how its financing worked, and that this helped it win approval. "Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” Gruber said. "And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass." Gruber made the comment while discussing how the law was "written in a tortured way" to avoid a bad score from the Congressional Budget Office. He suggested that voters would have rejected ObamaCare if the penalties for going without health insurance were interpreted as taxes, either by budget analysts or the public. "If CBO scored the [individual] mandate as taxes, the bill dies," Gruber said. "If you had a law that made it explicit that healthy people are going to pay in and sick people are going to get subsidies, it would not have passed," he added. The Clip is generating significant attention in conservative media. Gruber declined to comment in an email. The economist, who helped design a Massachusetts law that inspired ObamaCare, said he wished "we could make it all transparent, but I'd rather have this law than not." http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/223578-obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-helped-law-pass This arrogant assh*le screws the American public and is proud of it. And to those Democratic Politicians who voted for it BTW Mary Landrieu is Toast! I can see the ads now Edited by Baldo, Nov 11 2014, 01:00 AM.
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| kbp | Nov 11 2014, 09:57 AM Post #1168 |
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The Halbig case centers on whether or not the provisions of the law, combined with the overall objectives of the entire law, are ambiguous enough to allow the IRS to redefine where the tax credits may come from. In the ruling from the 4th Circuit, they seem to somehow split Section 1311(d)(1) in the manner I emphasize with color coding:
They appear to have concluded the law must mean that HHS establishing a governmental agency or nonprofit entity exchange to mean "federal government acts on behalf of the state" to therefore create an exchange...that is established by a State. Anyway, I'm not sure how Gruber's various remarks are good for the plaintiffs, other than preventing him from testifying hogwash about the intent behind how they wrote the law ...AND... upsetting any Justices that might be on the fence with this case (I say that assuming they are all human beings, holding out exception for Ginsburg!). Edited by kbp, Nov 11 2014, 10:00 AM.
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| kbp | Nov 11 2014, 01:31 PM Post #1169 |
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Lower the bar.... as people realize the out-of-pocket expense and the ER is still open to the uninsured. ...federal health officials said...5.9 million...would renew their coverage. That's much better than being as low as the 4 million I had posted it might come in at, but still a big stretch from Barry's 8+ Million. . |
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| kbp | Nov 11 2014, 01:48 PM Post #1170 |
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I guess they couldn't quite steal as many previously insured as they had hoped! My error! If a customers plan increases more than the "silver" plan rate, they have to make up the difference and the maximum percentage of income to be paid before subsidies kick in will not cover that. This might have more people dropping coverage, in addition to the out-of-pocket. |
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