| Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare | |
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| kbp | Nov 3 2014, 03:34 PM Post #1126 |
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http://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docketfiles/14-114.htm David King, et al., Petitioners v. Sylvia Burwell, Secretary of Health and Human Services [...] ~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jul 31 2014 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due September 3, 2014) Sep 2 2014 Order extending time to file response to petition to and including October 3, 2014. Sep 3 2014 Brief amici curiae of Senators John Cornyn, et al. filed. Sep 3 2014 Brief amici curiae of Missouri Liberty Project, et al. filed. Sep 3 2014 Brief amici curiae of Citizens' Council for Health Freedom, et al. filed. Sep 3 2014 Brief amici curiae of The States of Oklahoma, et al. filed. Sep 3 2014 Brief amici curiae of Pacific Research Institute, et al. filed. Oct 3 2014 Brief of respondents Sylvia Burwell, Secretary of Health and Human Services, et al. in opposition filed. Oct 14 2014 Reply of petitioners David King, Douglas Hurst, Brenda Levy, and Rose Luck filed. (Distributed) Oct 15 2014 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of October 31, 2014. Nov 3 2014 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of November 7, 2014. |
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| Baldo | Nov 3 2014, 10:02 PM Post #1127 |
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Obamacare Could Face Large Numbers of Dropouts More than half the people who enrolled in Obamacare last year don’t plan to sign up again—and that’s bad news for the president’s health care law. A new Bankrate survey reveals that 53 percent of current Obamacare enrollees who signed up through the exchanges said they would not be enrolling for 2015. Their reason--“much higher prices for health plans.” There could be many reasons for this, among them—more people are working and could have received health care benefits; more people have aged into Medicare and no longer need Obamacare as a bridge; more people find high deductibles along with an average 6 percent increase in premiums as too high burden. ..snipped http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamacare-could-face-large-numbers-101500195.html I listened to the man from Bankrate and he said one major reason was the high deductible on the plans people are buying. When they do start to use the insurance they realize that the deductible limits means they have to pay which is a shock. They had no idea that many plans require them to pay the deductible plus the premium. They just looked at the premium amount to decide plans. |
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| kbp | Nov 4 2014, 09:39 AM Post #1128 |
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The minimum deductible/out-of-pocket is about $2k+ individual and $6k+ family. If they can't afford premiums, where will they come up with that? The problem comes up with their first appointment. It looks like a planned problem put in place to make solution later necessary. |
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| kbp | Nov 4 2014, 11:32 AM Post #1129 |
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I think the administration tried to publish reports using fuzzy math to weaken the news about where the premiums would be, but there has been many reports on the big increases. One thing I see here is that even though the rates only relate to a few million people, as far as those on Obamacare will be concerned, most are not the sharpest tools in the shed. Those with plans already will only have 45 days to re-enroll. Since most do not fully understand that they still will only pay a set percentage of their income, while subsidies will pay the majority of any increase, I'd anticipate they'll be worried about the premium increases. The number dropping out because of this short 45 day re-enrollment period may add to any problems for the 2nd year head count of Obamacare. |
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| kbp | Nov 4 2014, 03:34 PM Post #1130 |
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I try to read the opposing side so that I'll understand WTH their argument is. From David Ziff, University of Washington School of Law...The case starts with plain text in sections regarding subsidies, where it says States must establish the exchange. To get to the point where any possible intent of Congress plays a part in the matter, they must first find ambiguity within the law as to how subsidies may be provided. To find ambiguity, they turn to various provisions of the law that might redefine "exchange" or make it look impossible to operate the law if subsidies ONLY went to State established exchanges. The plaintiffs (Halbig) have responded to every interpretation of any questionable provisions throughout the law with reasonable and non-absurd explanations, so this gentleman goes a step further for the defendant (HHS). He argues above that “the best interpretation of [all] the statute” overrides “any plausible non-absurd reading of the secondary provision” and the plain text in question. It is a reinterpretation of secondary provisions, so he'll have what he calls the "best interpretation" to fit the law read in its entirety ...which requires us to also transform the plain text into an absurd interpretation for this method to pass. We're left defining an exchange established by the HHS as being defined to have been established by the State. No single provision of the law by itself is absurd if not read to be ambiguous, so I'm guessing that he added it all up to score any points on the matter. Of course it all adds up fine if you do not ignore the plain text. Now I need to find the legal definition of "absurd." . |
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| kbp | Nov 5 2014, 10:51 AM Post #1131 |
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...some back-end parts of the system have had problems and others haven’t been built Obamacare was signed into law by Barry March 23, 2010. That's about 1,683 days ago, or 40,400 hours! http://online.wsj.com/articles/more-problems-expected-on-federal-health-insurance-site-in-new-year-1415147396 More Problems Expected on Federal Health-Insurance Site in New Year Consumers Switching to Different Carrier Could End Up in Two Insurance Plans Technology gaps in HealthCare.gov are expected to cause consumers and insurers a fresh batch of complications after the site reopens for health-plan enrollment this month, insurance-industry officials say. Millions of Americans are expected to buy or change plans using the federal portal when the second year of enrollment under the Affordable Care Act begins Nov. 15. But some back-end parts of the system have had problems and others haven’t been built, triggering difficulties that could affect tens of thousands of people when new plans kick in next year. Consumers who bought policies on the exchange for 2014 and switch to a different insurer for 2015 could end up enrolled in two plans, with bills for both, in January, according to two industry officials. Others who stopped paying premiums for their plans this year could find themselves automatically re-enrolled in those plans for 2015 regardless of whether they want them. [The bigger problem not mentioned will be the "honor system" collecting taxpayer's dollars for subsidies NOT monitored. These people will not be paying for two policies, the taxpayer will be!] [...] The problems, while expected to cause headaches for shoppers, insurance companies and the Obama administration, aren’t likely to result in the disastrous complications that crippled the first year of health-law enrollment. They won’t fully surface until next year, when bills and tax information begin rolling in for exchange enrollees. [They won't give us the numbers now, probably because they do not have a good grip on what they are ....it's not their money!] The issues are expected to primarily affect those who enrolled in 2014 plans through HealthCare.gov, a group that totals about five million people. Insurance industry officials said they can’t predict exactly how many consumers will experience the problems, but they could reach tens of thousands of people, one official said. The scope of the problems depends in part on how many people follow the advice of the administration, consumer groups and some insurers, who are encouraging consumers to comparison-shop and switch plans if they can get a better deal. [The government CURE is the CAUSE!][ “I think you should expect that whenever you’re dealing with new systems, there are glitches and improvements need to be made,” said Jerry Burgess, president and chief executive of Consumers’ Choice Health Plan of South Carolina, an insurance cooperative that signed up about 50,000 people for 2014. Mr. Burgess, while not addressing specifics of any expected problems, said he thinks there will be new snags when people change plans. Overall, he expects HealthCare.gov will work much better this year. [Things are better 40,000 hours later!]The Obama administration said Tuesday it is still looking for more ways to stave off some of the problems, though federal officials have acknowledged they won’t catch all of them. For months, the administration has focused on improving the consumer-facing parts of HealthCare.gov, which serves consumers in 36 states. Officials have ironed out kinks with the site’s identity-verification system and shortened the enrollment application for new users in an effort to correct flaws seen when the site opened last fall. Several of this enrollment season’s expected difficulties stem from a Dec. 15 deadline for existing exchange enrollees to make changes to their plans that would kick in Jan. 1. The Obama administration decided this summer it would automatically renew coverage for everyone who doesn’t come back to the site by that deadline. [I missed that. There are ONLY 30 days to select a different plan for those already enrolled!] Among the difficulties is the fact that the system doesn’t have any way to alert an insurer if one of their customers comes back to the site and switches to a new carrier for 2015, two industry officials said. [...among the difficulties... Where is the list of ALL the difficulties?] [...] Edited by kbp, Nov 5 2014, 10:52 AM.
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| Baldo | Nov 5 2014, 10:45 PM Post #1132 |
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Wow! The Fools voted like good lemmings and Obama pushed them over the cliff. 28 Democratic Senators Who Voted For Obamacare Are No Longer in Office ....Today 28 of those senators are gone. And, Mary Landrieu is expected to lose her runoff election in December. The Examiner reported: On Dec. 24, 2009, the Democratic-controlled Senate passed President Obama’s healthcare law with a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority, triggering a massive backlash that propelled Republicans to control of the House the following year. On the Senate side, going into Tuesday’s elections, 24 senators who voted for Obamacare were already out or not going be part of the new Senate being sworn in on January. To be sure, it isn’t fair to attribute all of the turnover in the chamber to Obamacare. Many senators voted for Obamacare and lost re-election battles in which they were hit hard for their support for the law, and other Democrats were forced to retire because they had no hope of getting re-elected given their support for the law. But in some cases — such as John Kerry leaving his seat to become secretary of state, or Robert Byrd passing away — Obamacare clearly had nothing to do with it. Additionally, some outgoing pro-Obamacare votes were replaced by new Democratic senators. That having been said, as of this writing, 16 Senators who voted for Obamacare either failed to win reelection or declined to run for reelection and had their seats turned over to Republicans. That number is likely to grow once the results are in from the Senate runoff in Louisiana, which Mary Landrieu is expected to lose. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/28-democratic-senators-who-voted-for-obamacare-are-no-longer-in-office/ |
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| kbp | Nov 6 2014, 07:37 AM Post #1133 |
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They picked up 64 House seats in 2010. I wonder what the total head count of Congressional members in both houses who voted for Obamacare is for those who have lost their jobs? Obamacare will always be a legacy, no matter what happens to it in the future. |
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| kbp | Nov 6 2014, 08:04 AM Post #1134 |
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Quite a few in Alaska get coverage through the state from revenue oil brings in, mostly native Alaskans, IIRC. I guess the benefit Walker sees is FREE MONEY so he can spend the oil funds elsewhere. Truthfully, I have not followed this, so I'm guessing! . |
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| kbp | Nov 6 2014, 08:50 AM Post #1135 |
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FACT: None of the insurance exchanges have back end programing. FACT: The outcome of "businesses have adapted" is increasing prices for what they sell to cover the unavoidable higher costs for coverage, along with passing more of that cost along to employees. FACT: Any "increase profits" for providers will result in unpaid out-of-pocket and drop off in coverage for those getting subsidized coverage. Since Obamacare will never be more than 25 million (<10% of population), it is not that major of an increase. On top of that, the increased out-of-pocket the entire private market is experiencing - to offset premium increases - will increase the revenue providers have problems collecting. NYT is printing BS. . |
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| Baldo | Nov 6 2014, 11:18 AM Post #1136 |
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Good Article It Was A Terrible Night For Obamacare... ....When all is said and done, Republicans will likely have a 54-46 majority in the Senate next year — which, going into Tuesday night, was one of the best-case scenarios for the party. The party will likely pick up at least two governor's seats, including flipping Democratic strongholds in Maryland, Massachusetts, and Illinois. It could mean a weakened Obamacare at the federal level and a stalled push to expand Medicaid in states that have so far resisted. There's still "not much evidence that the ACA was at the center of this election," Larry Levitt, the senior vice president of the Kaiser Family Foundation, told Business Insider. "But with a Republican majority in the Senate, tweaks to the law will move ahead." Of Medicaid expansion, he added: "It doesn't seem like there are much prospects for the Medicaid expansion to spread after these results."...snipped ....Republicans could also take aim at so-called risk corridors in the health law, a potential battle that some Republican senators have already begun discussing as part of a potential funding fight that leads down the road to a federal government shutdown. The "risk corridors" in question aim to make it easier for insurance companies to transition to the new healthcare system, largely by making it less financially risky for them to sell new insurance plans on the government exchanges established by the Affordable Care Act. But Republicans have charged the program amounts to a "bailout" for insurance companies, and a bill targeting the provision is something they think could attract Democratic votes to get past a 60-vote filibuster firewall....snipped http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-election-changes-gop-control-republicans-2014-11 Poor Kaiser Foundation.. they made their bed with Obama. |
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| kbp | Nov 6 2014, 01:09 PM Post #1137 |
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The risk corridors see there final year in 2016 anyway. If they do show taxpayers owe insurance companies, I'm not aware of how there was any in the budget to pay for it. |
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| chatham | Nov 6 2014, 03:18 PM Post #1138 |
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Might be Congress will not have to abort obamacare. There is still a Supreme Court case waiting in the wings that could destroy it. |
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| kbp | Nov 6 2014, 03:46 PM Post #1139 |
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/100-newly-elected-gop-senators-campaigned-repealing-obamacare 100% of Newly Elected GOP Senators Campaigned on Repealing Obamacare |
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| LTC8K6 | Nov 6 2014, 09:34 PM Post #1140 |
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Assistant to The Devil Himself
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http://twitchy.com/2014/11/06/three-pinocchios-for-pres-obamas-claim-on-obamacare-and-cost-reductions-every-single-year/ ‘Three Pinocchios’ for Pres. Obama’s claim on Obamacare and cost reductions ‘every single year’ |
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