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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
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http://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docketfiles/14-114.htm

David King, et al., Petitioners
v.
Sylvia Burwell, Secretary of Health and Human Services
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~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jul 31 2014 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due September 3, 2014)
Sep 2 2014 Order extending time to file response to petition to and including October 3, 2014.
Sep 3 2014 Brief amici curiae of Senators John Cornyn, et al. filed.
Sep 3 2014 Brief amici curiae of Missouri Liberty Project, et al. filed.
Sep 3 2014 Brief amici curiae of Citizens' Council for Health Freedom, et al. filed.
Sep 3 2014 Brief amici curiae of The States of Oklahoma, et al. filed.
Sep 3 2014 Brief amici curiae of Pacific Research Institute, et al. filed.
Oct 3 2014 Brief of respondents Sylvia Burwell, Secretary of Health and Human Services, et al. in opposition filed.
Oct 14 2014 Reply of petitioners David King, Douglas Hurst, Brenda Levy, and Rose Luck filed. (Distributed)
Oct 15 2014 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of October 31, 2014.
Nov 3 2014 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of November 7, 2014.
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Obamacare Could Face Large Numbers of Dropouts

More than half the people who enrolled in Obamacare last year don’t plan to sign up again—and that’s bad news for the president’s health care law.

A new Bankrate survey reveals that 53 percent of current Obamacare enrollees who signed up through the exchanges said they would not be enrolling for 2015. Their reason--“much higher prices for health plans.”

There could be many reasons for this, among them—more people are working and could have received health care benefits; more people have aged into Medicare and no longer need Obamacare as a bridge; more people find high deductibles along with an average 6 percent increase in premiums as too high burden. ..snipped

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamacare-could-face-large-numbers-101500195.html


I listened to the man from Bankrate and he said one major reason was the high deductible on the plans people are buying. When they do start to use the insurance they realize that the deductible limits means they have to pay which is a shock. They had no idea that many plans require them to pay the deductible plus the premium. They just looked at the premium amount to decide plans.

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The minimum deductible/out-of-pocket is about $2k+ individual and $6k+ family. If they can't afford premiums, where will they come up with that? The problem comes up with their first appointment. It looks like a planned problem put in place to make solution later necessary.
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http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/11/03/obamacare-premium-changes-coming-soon-but-not-by-election-day/

Obamacare Premium Changes Coming Soon—But Not by Election Day

Just after the election, insurers will send letters to millions of consumers spelling out changes in premiums for coverage under the health care law. Why not before?

Under the health law, the federal government is responsible for approving premiums for health plans in 36 states where it is running some or all of the online insurance exchanges through the HealthCare.gov website. The Department of Health and Human Services told insurers in early September they should notify consumers who hold policies with them of their new premiums for 2015 only after HHS approved the rates. HHS can’t reject the new rates, only criticize them.

Under the HHS schedule, contracts with the insurers will be signed this week, and insurers’ letters must reach consumers by Nov. 15, the first day of the new enrollment period for coverage under the health law. The final rates may also be published by the administration sooner next week, and consumers are also supposed to be able to go to HealthCare.gov to start browsing them.

The Obama administration has said the schedule wasn’t decided with an eye to the date of the midterm elections. “That is not circled on the calendar of the experts at the Department of Health and Human Services who are working on this,” said White House spokesman Josh Earnest. HHS officials said they are focusing on ensuring consumers get “the right information to choose the health care plan that best meets their needs.”

But GOP lawmakers have accused the administration of hiding financial information from households because it could be perceived unfavorably.

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Several states require insurers to notify consumers of changes to their premiums at least 60 days before those changes take effect – or by Nov. 1 for plans starting Jan. 1.

One of those states, Texas, agreed not to enforce its rule this year, relieving the pressure on insurers. But others, including Georgia, Maine, Mississippi and New Hampshire, followed through with the requirements. So did California, Nevada and New York, which are running their own insurance exchanges and so are not subject to HHS rules.
I think the administration tried to publish reports using fuzzy math to weaken the news about where the premiums would be, but there has been many reports on the big increases.

One thing I see here is that even though the rates only relate to a few million people, as far as those on Obamacare will be concerned, most are not the sharpest tools in the shed. Those with plans already will only have 45 days to re-enroll. Since most do not fully understand that they still will only pay a set percentage of their income, while subsidies will pay the majority of any increase, I'd anticipate they'll be worried about the premium increases.

The number dropping out because of this short 45 day re-enrollment period may add to any problems for the 2nd year head count of Obamacare.


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I try to read the opposing side so that I'll understand WTH their argument is. From David Ziff, University of Washington School of Law...
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http://ziffblog.wordpress.com/2014/11/03/reflections-from-cato-halbig-and-the-isolationist-theory-of-statutory-interpretation/

Reflections from Cato: Halbig and the “Isolationist” Theory of Statutory Interpretation

On October 30, I was invited to participate in a Cato Institute panel discussion on Halbig, King, and related challenges to the Affordable Care Act. In the wake of the conference, I’ll be writing a few posts based on the panel discussion. If you’d like to watch the entire law-focused panel, I’ve created a C-SPAN clip here.

Much of the argument surrounding the merits of the Halbig decision has focused on intent: Did Congress intend to limit tax subsidies to state-run exchanges? Or were the subsidies meant to be available on federal exchanges as well, despite the statute’s language limiting subsidies to an “Exchange established by the State under section 1311.” The challengers have focused on the statute’s text, while the government’s supporters have often (not always or exclusively, but often) focused on unexpressed legislative intent. As explained here, I’ve long thought that the pro-government arguments should focus more on the text.

Textualism and Context

With that in mind, I began my remarks at Cato by setting out some general ground rules for statutory interpretation, based on Justice Scalia’s recent opinion in UARG v. EPA from last Term:


  • To be sure, Congress’s profligate use of [a general term] where what is meant is obviously narrower than the Act-wide definition is not conducive to clarity. One ordinarily assumes that identical words used in different parts of the same act are intended to have the same meaning. In this respect (as in countless others), the Act is far from a chef d’oeuvre of legislative draftsmanship. But we, and EPA, must do our best, bearing in mind the fundamental canon of statutory construction that the words of a statute must be read in their context and with a view to their place in the overall statutory scheme. . . . [T]he presumption of consistent usage readily yields to context, and a statutory term—even one defined in the statute—may take on distinct characters from association with distinct statutory objects calling for different implementation strategies.“

    ...

    [R]easonable statutory interpretation must account for both the specific context in which language is used and the broader context of the statute as a whole. A statutory provision that may seem ambiguous in isolation is often clarified by the remainder of the statutory scheme because only one of the permissible meanings produces a substantive effect that is compatible with the rest of the law. Thus, an agency determination that is inconsistent with the design and structure of the statute as a whole does not merit deference.


    Utility Air Regulatory Group v. E.P.A., 134 S. Ct. 2427, 2441-42 (2014) (internal citations, alterations, and quotation marks omitted) (emphasis added).
Reading Justice Scalia’s language, he almost sounds like a purposivist: “overall statutory scheme,” “statutory objects,” “implementation strategies,” “broader context,” “substantive effect,” “design and structure,” etc. But Justice Scalia’s focus on intent, context, structure, object, and purpose is wholly textual. To determine the object, purpose, effect, and context of the relevant statutory provision, Justice Scalia does not look to general statements of legislators on Meet the Press or to the editorial pages of the New York Times. Indeed, he doesn’t even look to legislative history. He looks to the text of the statute—of the entire statute.

The “Isolationist” Theory of Statutory Interpretation

What the challengers are advocating, and what the Halbig panel did, is not textualism—at least not in the traditional Justice Scalia sense. Instead of focusing on context and statutory design, the challengers focus narrowly on a single isolated statutory phrase: “established by the State under section 1311″ without regard to the broader statutory language or the other 900+ pages of the ACA.

I am not sure if there is a name for the challengers’ method of statutory interpretation. In preparing for the Cato conference I began referring to it as isolationism. The challengers’ proffered interpretive theory privileges a literal, isolated reading of a narrow statutory provision. And while the directly applicable provision is read strictly and narrowly, other statutory provisions are weak and malleable in the face of the challengers’ initial reading.

The isolationist method of interpretation proceeds as follows: First, the applicable statutory phrase is read in isolation and given a “plain text” reading. That reading is then awarded a strong default preference—a sort of static friction or inertia. Second, other potentially relevant statutory provisions are examined. In other words, the interpreter looks at context. But the contextual analysis is not a neutral inquiry into statutory meaning, for the applicable provision’s plain meaning has already been decided. Rather, the question is whether there exists any plausible non-absurd reading of the secondary provision that does not conflict with the default isolationist reading of the applicable language. If such a plausible reading is discovered, then the default interpretation prevails. And then the next secondary provision is examined and the same dance is repeated until all the secondary provisions are exhausted.

An example from Halbig: The Court of Appeals was faced with a secondary provision that instructed states to enroll children in coverage “offered through an Exchange established by the State under section 1311.” Halbig Panel Op. at 29 n.10. Here’s how the Court of Appeals analyzed this secondary provision: “Although we recognize the oddity of requiring some states and not others to take this step, we do not see how it makes the statute nonsensical or otherwise meets the high threshold of absurdity.” Id.

At no point does the isolationist inquiry call for a stepping back from the canvas to look at the statute as a whole, with equal weight given to all provisions. Instead, once the initial isolated “plain meaning” is decided, context is attacked provision-by-provision to see if the initial interpretation remains plausible. But the textualist inquiry advocated by Justice Scalia and others sets its sights a bit higher than mere plausibility. Rather, by looking at context and statutory structure as a whole, the goal of statutory interpretation must be the harmonization of all statutory language—in other words, the best interpretation of the statute, not just a non-absurd one.

Forced analogy alert: To the isolationist, statutory interpretation is like a bad action movie, with the isolated “plain text” reading cast as the movie’s hero. After we meet our hero, other statutory provisions play the part of hapless henchmen. Sure, they might outnumber the hero 10-to-1, but they choose to attack him one at a time. And when they do, they are feeble and easily dispatched. They shoot at the hero over and over again, somehow always missing. But unbelievably, our hero has perfect aim whenever he lines up one of the henchmen.

Statutory interpretation is not a bad action movie! Done properly, it’s more like an ensemble hero movie: The Avengers. (Stay with me here.) Why does the isolationist cast fellow statutory provisions as enemies to be defeated? A true textualist does not view seemingly conflicting statutory provisions as enemies; they are allies. And they need to work together to figure out what the statute means and/or to save the world from Loki.

The isolationist’s strong initial default is misplaced. Statutory interpretation is a searching inquiry that does not end with one provision. That is why in UARG Justice Scalia held that the term “air pollutant” could mean different things in different sections of the Clean Air Act, despite the use of a common term and a common definition. A textual plain meaning requires context, and context requires a fair reading of the statute as a whole.

In later posts, I’ll attempt to give the ACA that fair reading and discuss some contextual problems for the challengers’ position.

A Few Additional/Responsive Thoughts

Of course, the challengers do not agree with this characterization of their arguments. Following the panel, Professor James Blumstein said that what I derisively called “isolationism” was really just a focus on the relevant statutory provisions. I think Prof. Blumstein’s comment illustrates the disagreement well. True, the courts’ task in this litigation is to interpret one phrase: “Exchange established by the State under section 1311.” But that phrase is not the only relevant phrase. Turning again to Justice Scalia:

  • Perhaps no interpretive fault is more common than the failure to follow the whole-text canon, which calls on the judicial interpreter to consider the entire text, in view of its structure and of the physical and logical relation of its many parts. Antonin Scalia & Bryan A. Garner, Reading Law: The Interpretation of Legal Texts 167 (2012) (describing Canon #24, the “Whole-Text Canon”).
In response to a question from the audience, Professor Jonathan Adler (one of the forefathers of the Halbig litigation) responded that the challengers do look at the law in its entirety. I don’t disagree. As described above (and as I explained at the conference) the isolationists don’t wholly ignore context; rather, they give context so little weight that it fails to give effect to Congress’s structure. The purpose of the whole-text inquiry is to determine plain meaning, not to see if the rest of the statute is “absurd” in light of an already-determined plain meaning based on an isolated reading of the applicable provision.
The case starts with plain text in sections regarding subsidies, where it says States must establish the exchange. To get to the point where any possible intent of Congress plays a part in the matter, they must first find ambiguity within the law as to how subsidies may be provided.

To find ambiguity, they turn to various provisions of the law that might redefine "exchange" or make it look impossible to operate the law if subsidies ONLY went to State established exchanges. The plaintiffs (Halbig) have responded to every interpretation of any questionable provisions throughout the law with reasonable and non-absurd explanations, so this gentleman goes a step further for the defendant (HHS).

He argues above that “the best interpretation of [all] the statute” overrides “any plausible non-absurd reading of the secondary provision” and the plain text in question.

It is a reinterpretation of secondary provisions, so he'll have what he calls the "best interpretation" to fit the law read in its entirety ...which requires us to also transform the plain text into an absurd interpretation for this method to pass. We're left defining an exchange established by the HHS as being defined to have been established by the State.

No single provision of the law by itself is absurd if not read to be ambiguous, so I'm guessing that he added it all up to score any points on the matter. Of course it all adds up fine if you do not ignore the plain text.

Now I need to find the legal definition of "absurd."
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...some back-end parts of the system have had problems and others haven’t been built
Obamacare was signed into law by Barry March 23, 2010. That's about 1,683 days ago, or 40,400 hours!

http://online.wsj.com/articles/more-problems-expected-on-federal-health-insurance-site-in-new-year-1415147396

More Problems Expected on Federal Health-Insurance Site in New Year
Consumers Switching to Different Carrier Could End Up in Two Insurance Plans


Technology gaps in HealthCare.gov are expected to cause consumers and insurers a fresh batch of complications after the site reopens for health-plan enrollment this month, insurance-industry officials say.

Millions of Americans are expected to buy or change plans using the federal portal when the second year of enrollment under the Affordable Care Act begins Nov. 15. But some back-end parts of the system have had problems and others haven’t been built, triggering difficulties that could affect tens of thousands of people when new plans kick in next year.

Consumers who bought policies on the exchange for 2014 and switch to a different insurer for 2015 could end up enrolled in two plans, with bills for both, in January, according to two industry officials. Others who stopped paying premiums for their plans this year could find themselves automatically re-enrolled in those plans for 2015 regardless of whether they want them.
[The bigger problem not mentioned will be the "honor system" collecting taxpayer's dollars for subsidies NOT monitored. These people will not be paying for two policies, the taxpayer will be!]
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The problems, while expected to cause headaches for shoppers, insurance companies and the Obama administration, aren’t likely to result in the disastrous complications that crippled the first year of health-law enrollment. They won’t fully surface until next year, when bills and tax information begin rolling in for exchange enrollees.
[They won't give us the numbers now, probably because they do not have a good grip on what they are ....it's not their money!]

The issues are expected to primarily affect those who enrolled in 2014 plans through HealthCare.gov, a group that totals about five million people. Insurance industry officials said they can’t predict exactly how many consumers will experience the problems, but they could reach tens of thousands of people, one official said. The scope of the problems depends in part on how many people follow the advice of the administration, consumer groups and some insurers, who are encouraging consumers to comparison-shop and switch plans if they can get a better deal.
[The government CURE is the CAUSE!][

“I think you should expect that whenever you’re dealing with new systems, there are glitches and improvements need to be made,” said Jerry Burgess, president and chief executive of Consumers’ Choice Health Plan of South Carolina, an insurance cooperative that signed up about 50,000 people for 2014.

Mr. Burgess, while not addressing specifics of any expected problems, said he thinks there will be new snags when people change plans. Overall, he expects HealthCare.gov will work much better this year.
:roflmao: [Things are better 40,000 hours later!]

The Obama administration said Tuesday it is still looking for more ways to stave off some of the problems, though federal officials have acknowledged they won’t catch all of them.

For months, the administration has focused on improving the consumer-facing parts of HealthCare.gov, which serves consumers in 36 states. Officials have ironed out kinks with the site’s identity-verification system and shortened the enrollment application for new users in an effort to correct flaws seen when the site opened last fall.

Several of this enrollment season’s expected difficulties stem from a Dec. 15 deadline for existing exchange enrollees to make changes to their plans that would kick in Jan. 1. The Obama administration decided this summer it would automatically renew coverage for everyone who doesn’t come back to the site by that deadline.
[I missed that. There are ONLY 30 days to select a different plan for those already enrolled!]

Among the difficulties is the fact that the system doesn’t have any way to alert an insurer if one of their customers comes back to the site and switches to a new carrier for 2015, two industry officials said.
[...among the difficulties... Where is the list of ALL the difficulties?]
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Edited by kbp, Nov 5 2014, 10:52 AM.
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Wow! The Fools voted like good lemmings and Obama pushed them over the cliff.

28 Democratic Senators Who Voted For Obamacare Are No Longer in Office

....Today 28 of those senators are gone.

And, Mary Landrieu is expected to lose her runoff election in December.

The Examiner reported:

On Dec. 24, 2009, the Democratic-controlled Senate passed President Obama’s healthcare law with a filibuster-proof 60-vote majority, triggering a massive backlash that propelled Republicans to control of the House the following year. On the Senate side, going into Tuesday’s elections, 24 senators who voted for Obamacare were already out or not going be part of the new Senate being sworn in on January.

To be sure, it isn’t fair to attribute all of the turnover in the chamber to Obamacare. Many senators voted for Obamacare and lost re-election battles in which they were hit hard for their support for the law, and other Democrats were forced to retire because they had no hope of getting re-elected given their support for the law. But in some cases — such as John Kerry leaving his seat to become secretary of state, or Robert Byrd passing away — Obamacare clearly had nothing to do with it.

Additionally, some outgoing pro-Obamacare votes were replaced by new Democratic senators.

That having been said, as of this writing, 16 Senators who voted for Obamacare either failed to win reelection or declined to run for reelection and had their seats turned over to Republicans. That number is likely to grow once the results are in from the Senate runoff in Louisiana, which Mary Landrieu is expected to lose.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/11/28-democratic-senators-who-voted-for-obamacare-are-no-longer-in-office/


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They picked up 64 House seats in 2010. I wonder what the total head count of Congressional members in both houses who voted for Obamacare is for those who have lost their jobs?

Obamacare will always be a legacy, no matter what happens to it in the future.
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http://kaiserhealthnews.org/news/republican-gubernatorial-victories-make-medicaid-expansion-unlikely-in-5-states/

Republican Gubernatorial Victories Make Medicaid Expansion Unlikely In 5 States

Tuesday’s re-election of Republican governors in closely contested races in Florida, Georgia, Wisconsin, Maine and Kansas dims the chances of Medicaid expansion in those states.

Advocates hoping for Democratic victories in those states were disappointed by the outcomes, but Alaska, which also has a Republican incumbent, remains in play as an independent challenger holds a narrow lead going into a count of absentee ballots.
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In Alaska, Bill Walker, an independent candidate who favors expansion, holds a small lead over incumbent Gov. Sean Parnell, who opposes it. Should Walker prevail after absentee ballots are counted, he still must get the support of his Republican-controlled legislature. About 26,000 Alaskans would gain coverage through expansion.
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Quite a few in Alaska get coverage through the state from revenue oil brings in, mostly native Alaskans, IIRC. I guess the benefit Walker sees is FREE MONEY so he can spend the oil funds elsewhere. Truthfully, I have not followed this, so I'm guessing!
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/business/republican-election-victory-seen-as-positive-for-business-but-others-temper-expectations.html

Business Leaders Cautiously Expect G.O.P. Win to Open Some Doors

...But despite plenty of public talk of more aggressive action — like a rollback of the Affordable Care Act or the Dodd-Frank rules passed after the financial crisis — lobbyists, experts on Wall Street and political veterans say the actual legislative agenda will be much more limited.

...While many of the more conservative Republicans elected on Tuesday made their opposition to the Affordable Care Act a touchstone of their campaigns, there is much less appetite on the part of business leaders for wholesale changes to the health care law.

For one thing, many of the insurance exchanges are finally working well, and businesses have adapted to the new landscape. Even more important, added demand from the newly insured is likely to increase profits in sectors like hospitals, pharmaceuticals and medical devices.....
FACT: None of the insurance exchanges have back end programing.

FACT: The outcome of "businesses have adapted" is increasing prices for what they sell to cover the unavoidable higher costs for coverage, along with passing more of that cost along to employees.

FACT: Any "increase profits" for providers will result in unpaid out-of-pocket and drop off in coverage for those getting subsidized coverage. Since Obamacare will never be more than 25 million (<10% of population), it is not that major of an increase. On top of that, the increased out-of-pocket the entire private market is experiencing - to offset premium increases - will increase the revenue providers have problems collecting.

NYT is printing BS.
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Good Article

It Was A Terrible Night For Obamacare...

....When all is said and done, Republicans will likely have a 54-46 majority in the Senate next year — which, going into Tuesday night, was one of the best-case scenarios for the party. The party will likely pick up at least two governor's seats, including flipping Democratic strongholds in Maryland, Massachusetts, and Illinois.

It could mean a weakened Obamacare at the federal level and a stalled push to expand Medicaid in states that have so far resisted.

There's still "not much evidence that the ACA was at the center of this election," Larry Levitt, the senior vice president of the Kaiser Family Foundation, told Business Insider. "But with a Republican majority in the Senate, tweaks to the law will move ahead."

Of Medicaid expansion, he added: "It doesn't seem like there are much prospects for the Medicaid expansion to spread after these results."...snipped

....Republicans could also take aim at so-called risk corridors in the health law, a potential battle that some Republican senators have already begun discussing as part of a potential funding fight that leads down the road to a federal government shutdown.

The "risk corridors" in question aim to make it easier for insurance companies to transition to the new healthcare system, largely by making it less financially risky for them to sell new insurance plans on the government exchanges established by the Affordable Care Act.

But Republicans have charged the program amounts to a "bailout" for insurance companies, and a bill targeting the provision is something they think could attract Democratic votes to get past a 60-vote filibuster firewall....snipped

http://www.businessinsider.com/obamacare-election-changes-gop-control-republicans-2014-11


Poor Kaiser Foundation.. they made their bed with Obama.
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The risk corridors see there final year in 2016 anyway. If they do show taxpayers owe insurance companies, I'm not aware of how there was any in the budget to pay for it.
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Might be Congress will not have to abort obamacare. There is still a Supreme Court case waiting in the wings that could destroy it.
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/ali-meyer/100-newly-elected-gop-senators-campaigned-repealing-obamacare
100% of Newly Elected GOP Senators Campaigned on Repealing Obamacare
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Assistant to The Devil Himself
http://twitchy.com/2014/11/06/three-pinocchios-for-pres-obamas-claim-on-obamacare-and-cost-reductions-every-single-year/

‘Three Pinocchios’ for Pres. Obama’s claim on Obamacare and cost reductions ‘every single year’
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