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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
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For Ebola caregivers, enormous fear, risk and bravery

(CNN) -- They dedicate their lives to saving others, but as Ebola spreads worldwide, health care workers must also focus on saving themselves.

An American doctor and a North Carolina missionary working with Ebola victims were the first to bring the deadly virus to the United States when they contracted the virus in Liberia and were flown home for treatment.

Now, a Dallas nurse has set a similar milestone, becoming the first person known to have contracted the disease inside the U.S. She was wearing the proscribed protective gear -- gloves, mask and shield -- while recently caring for Liberian national Thomas Eric Duncan at a Dallas hospital. Duncan died last week.

While the Texas nurse remains in isolation, a nurse in Spain who contracted the virus after treating a patient in that country is struggling for her life.

There are so many caregivers who've become patients. At least 416 health care workers have contracted Ebola, and at least 233 have died, the World Health Organization reports. In Liberia, the worst-affected country, the virus has killed more than 100 medical workers.

Since the Ebola outbreak began -- the worst the world has seen -- doctors and nurses have described working conditions no one should endure.

Every single move they make in treating a patient must be perfect. One slip-up -- a torn glove or the smallest splat of infected fluid that gets on them -- could cost them their lives.
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/12/health/ebola-health-care-workers/index.html?iid=article_sidebar


The problem with Ebola is that it also takes skilled medical professionals off other patients.

The USA has 11 beds that are secured for treating Ebol, Get real Obama Administration, 11 beds?

We also don't know why the two nurses contracted Ebola in Dallas.
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Plenty of mistakes have been made on all sides of this issue. Politically, we are not ready to handle lethal surprises such as Duncan and ebola coming into the country. He lied and in general, the american people believe people when they say something. But worse than that, the CDC and the NIH never thought that ebola would becomoe such a problem becasue of our advanced techniques in working with "bad stuff". And they were seriously wrong.

We know why the nurses got ebola. It was sloppy recommendations and techniques approved by the government and the hospital. But how did the nurses get ebola. Let me offer a guess or two. The nurses followed all the rules of care including being dressed according tot he rules so they could work with the sick ebola patient. The problem was the rules were incomplete. we now know that there was skin exposed around the neck. Maybe certain items were not decontaminated, such as doorknobs or bed railings. Suppose Duncan threw up and some of the void landed on the bed railing and no one decontaminagted that are? Bingo!!! The nurse touches it with her gloved hand and then gets an itch on the nech that is exposed and scratches it with the contaminated gloved hand. It could also happen with voided urine and diarrhea. All bodily fuids that may not have been cleaned up sufficiently to prevent infection. Suppose a doorknob was contaminated. The ebola virus could be live there for days. A nurse takes off her gloves and gown and then opens the door to the room touching the doorknob while leaving. Again a chance for contamination.

To me it is pretty clear that in order to get the virus, the virus must be relatively fresh. And it is hard to transmit unless one is not careful or they do not follow the rules. This is highly suggested becasue no one else who came in contact with Duncan other than the nurses has gotten sick. Strange as it sounds, that is what has happened so far. We see the same things happeneing over in West Africa. Health care workers, who should be safe, are getting ebola becasue of poor or sloppy techniques areound infected patients. ANd we know that family members in Africa who do not get medical help do contaminate family members trying to help them or burying them.

I am guessing, but if there is going to be additional cases of ebola found in this country it will be because of visitors coming to the United States from Africa and not becasue of people here working with the sick. And if they do get into this country past the thermometers, it will be becasue they lie.

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Why is the NYT telling the truth about obamacare?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/unable-to-meet-the-deductible-or-the-doctor.html?_r=0
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chatham
Oct 19 2014, 08:29 PM
Because Barry is already being perceived as a lame duck?

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/10/ouch-2.php
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chatham
Oct 19 2014, 08:29 PM
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... A survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation found that the average deductible for individual coverage in employer-sponsored plans was $1,217 this year.

In comparison, the average deductible for a bronze plan on the exchange — the least expensive coverage — was $5,081 for an individual and $10,386 for a family, according to HealthPocket, a consulting firm. Silver plans, which were the most popular option this year, had average deductibles of $2,907 for an individual and $6,078 for a family.



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kbp

Linked from the NYT article...

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http://kff.org/health-costs/press-release/employer-sponsored-family-health-premiums-rise-3-percent-in-2014/

Employer-Sponsored Family Health Premiums Rise 3 Percent in 2014

Workers Now Face Deductibles Averaging $1,217, Up 47 Percent Since 2009


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The 16th annual Kaiser/HRET survey of more than 2,000 small and large employers provides a detailed picture of the status and trends in employer-sponsored health insurance costs and coverage. In addition to the full report and summary of findings being released today, the journal Health Affairs is publishing a Web First article with select findings.

Deductibles and Cost Sharing

This year, 80 percent of all covered workers face a general annual deductible, with the average deductible reaching $1,217. Workers typically must pay this deductible before most services are covered by their health plan. Since 2009, the average deductible has risen 47 percent from $826.

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"Since 2009..."
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kbp

http://sharylattkisson.com/obamacare-fail-stories

Great idea, but it is mostly long-winded comments from viewers. That might work okay if they were organized into categories for type of failure.
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kbp

Sorry, this is a subscription based service I borrowed excerpts from through another source...

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https://www.politicopro.com/login/
Obamacare Termination Issue Could Muddle Renewals

Consumers who already have an Obamacare plan could face a messy situation early next year if they pick a different insurer for their 2015 coverage because HealthCare.gov won’t be telling companies whom to terminate. In some cases, industry sources worry, a person could be double billed for premiums because two carriers have the individual on their books on Jan. 1. Other consumers could be erroneously cut from their plans after Dec. 31 if inaccuracies in the federal exchange database lead to companies getting bad information on renewals, said one insurance official who has been briefed on the issue...
They are explaining a problem in place because the backend of healthcare dot gov is still not completed and may never get to where it was supposed to be.

I'm not sure what problems the balance of the article would tell us about, but this illustrates another problem. There is no backend to prevent the government from spending taxpayer dollars on subsidies for the new and old policies if the old one has not been terminated manually by government workers.

Recall the election year solution was an automatic renewal process added to healthcare dot gov as CYA for those too lazy to attend to their policies one a year. Imagine the number they'd have lost if it was auto-terminate and people had to get online again!

What a multi-trillion dollar cluster...



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O-Admin pays for study (for the courts), Study says Obamacare will quickly go into Death spiral if tax subsidies are not upheld.


http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/21/hhs-funded-study-obamacare-will-suffer-death-spiral-if-subsidies-fail/


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Mason
Oct 21 2014, 02:22 AM
O-Admin pays for study (for the courts), Study says Obamacare will quickly go into Death spiral if tax subsidies are not upheld.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/21/hhs-funded-study-obamacare-will-suffer-death-spiral-if-subsidies-fail/
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The Obama administration has funded a new study by top consulting firm RAND Health that startlingly finds that if taxpayer subsidies are eliminated, Obamacare exchanges will fall into a “death spiral.”

The study comes in the wake of a number of lawsuits which are challenging the Obama administration’s implementation of Obamacare subsidies. Three lawsuits have made it to U.S. Circuit Courts, just one step from the Supreme Court, arguing that the text of the Affordable Care Act allows premium subsidies for state-run exchanges only.

The report was sponsored by HHS’s Office of the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation, which, among other duties, compiles the enrollment statistics each month during open enrollment for Obamacare exchanges. Given the ongoing controversy over Obamacare subsidies, HHS sponsoring the study could be a sign that the administration is beginning to worry about its prospects.

The administration’s motivations aside, the key finding from the report belies HHS’s pro-Obamacare position. Eliminating premium subsidies entirely would “cause large declines in enrollment and substantial increases in premiums,” RAND Health concluded. In short — Americans are far less likely to want Obamacare coverage, or to be able to afford it, when taxpayers aren’t footing the bill.

“In scenarios in which the tax credits are eliminated, our model predicts a near ‘death spiral,’ with very sharp premium increases and drastic declines in individual market enrollment,” the study concluded.

Obamacare supporters will tout that well-intentioned premium subsidies are working. But if the health-care law can’t survive without taxpayers supporting Obamacare enrollees, the point remains that the Affordable Care Act is failing in its promise to control the actual cost of health care and health insurance.

RAND found that without the ACA’s subsidies, the cost of premiums will rise by 43.3 percent and Obamacare enrollment will fall by a whopping 68 percent. That would mean 11.3 million more Americans would be uninsured.
No idea where they got these numbers. If 11.3 million is 68%, they're using an enrollment of 16.6 million, not a number I have ever seen reported.

“Low-risk individuals of any age may need a tax credit to incentivize them to sign up,” the study concluded, in what may seem common sense to the health-care law’s conservative opposition. “As a result, premium tax credits encourage the enrollment of low-risk individuals, who improve the risk pool and bring down premiums.”

In short, if someone doesn’t feel they need pricey health insurance, the study found, they probably won’t buy it — unless there are hefty taxpayer subsidies lowering their bottom line, or an individual mandate issuing a significant penalty on those who fail to sign up for coverage.

If the individual mandate forcing people to purchase coverage, instead of subsidies, falls by the wayside, the number of people who purchase individual health insurance outside the exchange would fall by over 20 percent — causing premiums for those that remain to increase by 7 percent. If the mandate were overturned, 8.2 million Americans wouldn’t be purchasing health insurance, RAND found.

The study also discovered that apart from premium subsidies and the individual mandate, the presence of young adults also plays a role in keeping the cost of exchange coverage down. For every 1 percentage point reduction in the share of young adult enrollees in the individual market, RAND expects a 0.44 percent increase in premiums.

After the first open enrollment period, the administration is 11 percent behind its goal of 39 percent of Obamacare enrollees nationally qualifying as ‘young invincibles’ (although that may have fallen since 700,000 people dropped their Obamacare coverage over the last six months). That would make exchange premiums 4.84 percent higher on average today than they would have been had the administration attracted the level of interest from young adults they had anticipated.

As implemented so far, Obamacare’s made many changes to the health insurance market. The individual mandate, for one, has been upheld by the highest courts, but taxpayer subsidies in federally-run exchanges — which accounts for over 5 million out of 7.3 million enrollees — are still facing serious legal challenges. If the Obama administration fails to uphold its position, it could put the exchanges in an extremely precarious position.

This has nothing to do with the cases at hand over subsidies in federal exchanges, unless their argument is that the death spiral result is proof they made an error in how they wrote the law because it was not their intent to write it as it is. It doesn't add any weight to the argument that the law is ambiguous.

I love the reasonings resulting from their study. If you do not SUBSIDIZE the federal exchange, the death spiral would result because the healthier participants would no longer enroll to SUBSIDIZE the pools of the policies offered. This applies to both the exchange and private coverage's, because the mandate effects both. The ironic thing here is that they want to scare the private market, but the only reason the premiums went up so much in the first place was because of the Obamacare regulations ....so the cure for that scare is a result of the law in place to cure the costs of the uninsured.

“In scenarios in which the tax credits are eliminated, our model predicts a NEAR ‘death spiral,’ with very sharp premium increases and drastic declines in individual market enrollment,” the study concluded.

Note that 80%+ of applicants are subsidized, so whatever the balance would be if Halbig prevails has little to do with what the enrolled participants would be paying. They only pay up to a set percentage of their income, so most or all of the premium increase would be paid for by taxpayers, meaning the Obamacare cost numbers go up, up, up....

That "NEAR" translates to it not being an unequivocal end, or IOW, it failed to reach their imaginary goals ...and on down later I'll show how they shoot themselves explaining why!!!

The best CBO gave them was 24-25 million enrollees by 2017, and they had to steal 7 million from employment based coverage to get to that point, so it's more like 14 million ....which is only about 4% of our legal population. The exchange cost is about 60% of the $2 trillion, with the Medicaid expansion consuming the balance of the redistribution.

Another of the reasonings resulting from their study:
“Low-risk individuals of any age may need a tax credit to incentivize them to sign up,” the study concluded, in what may seem common sense to the health-care law’s conservative opposition. “As a result, premium tax credits encourage the enrollment of low-risk individuals, who improve the risk pool and bring down premiums.”

That's a self-inflicted wound where they shoot themselves!

Just as was plainly obvious and undisputed in the Medicare Expansion, the limit of subsidies going to State established exchanges was FREE MONEY to "incentivize" and "encourage" participation by the States. This Rand study is claiming it is necessary, but to go with the idea that the law was vague and confusing in order to rewrite the rules for a federal exchange to give out subsidies, we must ignore the possibility that Congress meant for the law to provide text that would "incentivize" and "encourage" participation by the States. Rand is just about making the same argument Halbig makes, except Rand skips past the States and goes directly to the 4% of our population where we'd have less Obamacare participation.

I need to find this study to see what other amazing numbers they used.
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http://online.wsj.com/articles/carvins-obamacare-tour-de-force-1413846120

Carvin’s ObamaCare Tour de Force
His reply brief to the government leaves the Supreme Court no legal reason to dodge the case on federal subsidies


In 2011 after the first appeals circuit struck down the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate, the White House asked the Supreme Court to take the case as soon as possible and “put these challenges to rest.” There was no value in waiting on the merits to percolate in other courts, liberals argued then, given the grave practical consequences for this landmark social legislation.

So observes Jones Day attorney Michael Carvin in his corker of a reply brief asking the High Court to accept King v. Burwell, an equally consequential challenge to ObamaCare. Yet now the White House is asking the Court to wait, and wait, and wait, which Mr. Carvin calls “irresponsible” and “out of touch with reality.” The 12-page document is a master class in legal persuasion and deserves more readers. Document: http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/14-114-reply-brief-10-14-14.pdf

King and the related Halbig case are “strikingly simple,” Mr. Carvin writes. Though the ObamaCare statute authorizes insurance subsidies only on exchanges established by states, the White House is offering them on the exchanges run by the federal government as well. A panel of the D.C. Circuit ruled this gambit illegal in July, only to be vacated by the full court that Majority Leader Harry Reid blew up the Senate filibuster to pack with liberal jurists for precisely this contingency.

“The Government is content to leave the spigots of cash open and the Nation in limbo in the hopes that (i) the en banc D.C. Circuit reverses the Halbig panel, and (ii) no other Circuit enforces the Act’s plain text,” Mr. Carvin writes. Should either assumption fail, the delay serves no one’s best interests, especially since the Court will have to intervene later “when the stakes will be even higher.”

Turning to the merits review that the White House is trying to evade, Mr. Carvin dismantles “unexplained statutory references, garbled explication, and minutiae of irrelevant provisions—to give the appearance of respectable statutory construction.” He notes that Justice Elena Kagan held this May in the 5-4 decision Michigan v. Bay Mills Indian Community that the Administration cannot “revise legislation” and that its arguments were “unpersuasive on their own terms.”

“Tellingly,” Mr. Carvin continues, “the Government also ignores that Jonathan Gruber—the ACA architect whose work it cited in every brief below but is nowhere mentioned now—articulated the incentive purpose of [the original subsidy language] as early as 2012.” Mr. Carvin leaves the Justices with no plausible legal reason to dodge the case.

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http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2014/October/17/Consumers-Whose-Income-Drops-Below-Poverty-Get-Break-On-Subsidy-Payback.aspx

Tax time will start worrying some.
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WP fact checking!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/10/17/obamas-claim-that-obamacare-has-helped-produce-a-1800-tax-cut/
Obama’s claim that Obamacare has helped produce a ‘$1,800 tax cut’


The WP fact checker starts this off by rewriting what Obama promised, so it resembles compound suppositions of what they think he meant to say from the start. The WP is giving us lies to cover the lies!

FACT
"Here’s what I would do. If you’ve got health care already, and probably the majority of you do, then you can keep your plan if you are satisfied with it. You can keep your choice of doctor. We’re going to work with your employer to lower the cost of your premiums by up to $2,500 a year. And we’re going to do it by investing in prevention. We’re going to do it by making sure that we use information technology so that medical records are actually on computers instead of you filling forms out in triplicate when you go to the hospital. That will reduce medical errors and reduce costs. If you don’t have health insurance, you’re going to be able to buy the same kind of insurance that Sen. McCain and I enjoy as federal employees. Because there’s a huge pool, we can drop the costs. And nobody will be excluded for pre-existing conditions, which is a huge problem."
Barry - 2008 second presidential debate against John McCain , Oct 7, 2008
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2014/10/20/obamacare-on-shaky-ground-as-court-battle-looms/
Obamacare on Shaky Ground as Court Battle Looms

....First, the power to tax rests with the legislature. The Obama Administration can’t simply decide to exempt certain people from tax by giving them credits to help them purchase insurance coverage.

Indeed, a 1988 U.S. Supreme Court decision explicitly held that “exemptions from taxation are not to be implied; they must be unambiguously proved.”

Interesting short read that hits on a few good points. On the excerpt quoted, I assume it is addressing the tax credits that subsidize premiums. I'll need to read more on that.
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Just an update on how the 1988 SCOTUS decision may apply here.

https://bulk.resource.org/courts.gov/c/US/485/485.US.351.86-1521.html
US v. Wells Fargo Bank
"Informing our examination of this issue is the settled principle that exemptions from taxation are not to be implied; they must be unambiguously proved."

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To SCOTUS...

King v. Burwell
BRIEF OF PACIFIC RESEARCH INSTITUTE, CATO INSTITUTE, AMERICAN CIVIL RIGHTS UNION, INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS FOUNDATION, AND REASON FOUNDATION AS AMICI CURIAE IN SUPPORT OF PETITIONERS

[...]
II. The Fourth Circuit’s Improper Deference To The IRS Under Chevron Calls For Review And Reversal.
The Fourth Circuit could not fi nd that the ACA’s text unambiguously supported the IRS Rule. Rather, the court claimed that multiple interpretations were plausible, making “this a suitable case in which to apply the principles of deference called for by Chevron,” and, appealing to the ACA’s broad purposes, upheld the IRS Rule as reasonable. Appendix (“App.”) 26a. For several reasons, however, the decision artificially justified “multiple interpretations” of the unambiguous language and thus wrongly concluded that the purported “ambiguity creates some discretionary authority for the agency to fulfi ll.” App. 27a n.4.
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The Framers knew all too well that “the power to tax involves the power to destroy.” M’Culloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. 316, 431 (1819). That is why all taxation legislation must originate in the House of Representatives. See U.S. Const., art. I, § 7, cl. 1. Members of the House “were chosen by the people, and supposed to be the best acquainted with their interest and ability,” 1 Annals of Cong. 65 (1789) (Joseph Gales ed., 1834), and thus most likely to protect the federal treasury against profl igate spending, The Federalist 66, at 401-02 (A. Hamilton) (Jacob E. Cooke ed. 1961). As a consequence, judicial review of tax laws has been framed by the understanding that the “taxing power is one of the most jealously guarded prerogatives exercised by Congress.” Air Power, Inc. v. United States, 741 F.2d 53, 56 (4th Cir. 1984). “[E]xemptions from taxation” therefore “are not to be implied; they must be unambiguously proved.” United States v. Wells Fargo Bank, 485 U.S. 351, 354 (1988); Pet. 28-29. That holds true for tax credits, which “are only allowed as clearly provided for by statute, and are narrowly construed.” United States v. McFerrin, 570 F.3d 672, 675 (5th Cir. 2009).

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In so far as the 1988 citation is concerned, their argument is evidently that tax credits are a form of "exemption" when applied to subsidize premiums.

There are so many issues cited in this legal gibberish that it becomes nearly impossible to understand WTH they mean, which is about as bad as the law in question. However, gibberish spotted throughout the law doesn't really make the plain text parts you can plainly understand a victim of that gibberish if you consider what that 1988 decision tells us... "exemptions from taxation...must be unambiguously proved."
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