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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
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kbp

Mason
Mar 12 2014, 10:47 PM
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Sebelius Admits Premiums to go UP under Obamacare!

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Again, I suspect we'll see a move to extend and use the 3-R's to reduce Obamacare premiums. I'm 99% sure they're trying to figure out how to shift funds and extend the bailout without using Congress.


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"the point of this bill...to insure the uninsured. But this bill is NOT doing that. ...the McKinsey study...only 19% of those [paid premium for Obamacare] were previously UNinsured."
Jamie Weinstein, Sr Editor of Daily Caller on Fox news ust now
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Obamacare is definitely NOT as cheap as your cellphone bill

One of President Barack Obama’s favorite new Obamacare sign-up pitches is that young enrollees, which the law banks on for sustainability, can get health insurance for the price of a monthly cellphone bill. But in reality, premiums are more than a little pricier.

“HealthCare.gov works great now,” Obama told Zack Galifianakis Tuesday in a Funny or Die “Between Two Ferns” video. “And millions of Americans have already gotten health insurance plans, and what we want is for people to know that you can get affordable health care — and most young Americans right now, they’re not covered.”

“And the truth is that they can get coverage all for what it costs you to pay your cell phone bill,” Obama said.

As competition heats up in the wireless war between the nation’s biggest carriers, prices and options for cellphone plans are spread across a wide range, depending on phone type, data limits, upgrade terms, etc. For comparison’s sake, we’ll define an average middle-of-the-road plan as consisting of a smartphone, two-year upgrade, unlimited calls, unlimited texts and an average of two gigs of downloadable Internet data per month.

Discounting taxes nationwide, that plan costs about $90 on Verizon, $80 on AT&T, $70 on Sprint, and $60 on T-Mobile every month. Both Sprint and T-Mobile offer the same plans with unlimited monthly data for $80. All pricing is relevant as of January 2014.

Verizon Wireless and AT&T, with 96.2 and 72.6 million respective wireless subscribers, make up the vast majority of cellphone users in the U.S.

Of the Affordable Care Act’s “bronze,” “silver” and “gold” coverage plans offered on the Washington, D.C. health insurance exchange marketplace, the cheapest middle-of-the-road equivalent silver plan is $181.01 per month, after subsidies, for the lowest age bracket, which covers 27-year-olds and under that make about $25,000 annually. Silver plans must cover 70 percent of all medical costs, according to the law....snipped

http://dailycaller.com/2014/03/12/obamacare-is-definitely-not-as-cheap-as-your-cellphone-bill/


just another Obama lie.
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kbp

They avoid factoring in the subsidies that could make the premium less than their cell phone bill. Of course the Dem's would be idiots to argue that they have a subsidy that eliminates your choice between cell phone and health insurance!
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From Politico

Florida loss exposes Democrats' disarray on Obamacare


Democrats can’t even agree whether Obamacare was the reason for their crushing loss in a Florida special election Tuesday.

Now picture how their messaging plan for the health care law is shaping up for 2014.

Republican lobbyist David Jolly’s victory over Democrat Alex Sink has many Democrats privately worried and publicly split about how to talk about Obamacare.

A few Democrats are advocating a drastic rhetorical shift to the left, by criticizing their own party for not going far enough when it passed the law in 2010.

Other Democrats plan to sharply criticize the Affordable Care Act when running for re-election.

Many plan to stick to the simple message that Obamacare is flawed and needs to be fixed —a tactic that plainly didn’t work for Sink.

Taken together, the Democratic Party is heading into an already tough election year divided — instead of united — on the very issue Republicans plan to make central to their campaigns...snipped

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/obamacare-affordable-care-act-david-jolly-alex-sink-florida-elections-2014-104603.html?hp=f1


Obama-care will be a millstone around the necks of the Democrats, but they deserve it for following blindly the lead of Obama, Reid, and Pelosi. The Arrogance & Hubris in passing it without holding open hearings and allowing all members of congress to read it before voting on it will be hopefully be an example for future Congresses of how not to pass legislation.
Edited by Baldo, Mar 13 2014, 11:09 AM.
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The edited version is most likely a joke by the NRCC post Florida special election

Source Provides NRCC With The DCCC’s Latest Draft Of Their ObamaCare Memo

March 13th, 2014

A source has provided the National Republican Congressional Committee with the latest draft version of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee’s infamous “ObamaCare Memo” – and it’s been severely edited since the Democrats stinging loss in the Florida-13 special election.

Take a look. Looks like they might need to start retooling their ObamaCare messaging.

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http://www.nrcc.org/2014/03/13/source-provides-nrcc-dcccs-latest-draft-obamacare-memo/
Edited by Baldo, Mar 13 2014, 11:49 AM.
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kbp

Barry's remarks about giving up your cell phone and cable for health care insurance was at a town hall meeting for Hispanics. The cost of amnesty!

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Obama can only talk to minorities.
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kbp

http://marketplace.cms.gov/getofficialresources/publications-and-articles/hardship-exemption.pdf

Hardship option #14
14You experienced another hardship in obtaining health insurance.Please submit documentation if possible


Look at archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140305173047/https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/

It was not there March 5.
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Mystery of the disappearing mandate

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/03/mystery-of-the-disappearing-mandate.php
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kbp

kbp
Mar 13 2014, 03:13 PM
http://marketplace.cms.gov/getofficialresources/publications-and-articles/hardship-exemption.pdf

Hardship option #14
14You experienced another hardship in obtaining health insurance.Please submit documentation if possible


Look at archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20140305173047/https://www.healthcare.gov/exemptions/

It was not there March 5.
http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/13/Broad-Hardship-Exemption-to-Obamacare-Mandate-Added-to-Healthcare-gov-in-Past-Week
Broad Hardship Exemption to Obamacare Mandate Added to Healthcare.gov Since Yesterday


This article explains the changes better and has links to support the story.

ADD: The 14th "hardship" was added to their web page a couple days ago, though it was actually created in December!
Edited by kbp, Mar 14 2014, 09:29 AM.
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LTC8K6
Mar 14 2014, 06:51 AM
Recall the budget is MANDATORY for this, like all other entitlements. I wonder how they can legally adjust it to address these changes???
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http://news.sciencemag.org/people-events/2014/03/top-u.s.-scientific-misconduct-official-quits-frustration-bureaucracy

Top U.S. Scientific Misconduct Official Quits in Frustration With Bureaucracy

The director of the U.S. government office that monitors scientific misconduct in biomedical research has resigned after 2 years out of frustration with the “remarkably dysfunctional” federal bureaucracy. David Wright, director of the Office of Research Integrity (ORI), writes in a scathing resignation letter obtained by ScienceInsider that the huge amount of time he spent trying to get things done made much of his time at ORI “the very worst job I have ever had.”

ORI, which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), monitors alleged research misconduct by researchers funded by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and other Public Health Service (PHS) agencies. It runs education programs and reviews institutions’ misconduct investigations, each year posting a dozen or so findings of misconduct, defined as fabrication, falsification, or plagiarism. It also recommends PHS sanctions, such as barring researchers from receiving grants. ORI’s visibility has grown recently along with a rise in retracted research papers, some involving misconduct.

Observers lauded Wright’s appointment in December 2011, which ended 2 years in which the office had no permanent director. Wright, a historian of science at Michigan State University in East Lansing, had served as an ORI consultant and came in with plans to beef up training programs. But on 25 February, he fired off a fiery resignation letter to his boss (see below), HHS Assistant Secretary for Health (ASH) Howard Koh. (Wright’s departure has not been formally announced by HHS and was first made public last week by the blog Retraction Watch. HHS spokeswoman Diane Gianelli declined to comment on why Wright left but confirmed his resignation and said that Don Wright, an Office of ASH (OASH) official who is unrelated to David Wright and had previously served as acting director, will resume that position.)

In his letter, David Wright writes that working with ORI’s “remarkable scientist-investigators” was “the best job I’ve ever had.” But that was only 35% of his job; the rest of the time he spent “navigating the remarkably dysfunctional HHS bureaucracy” to run ORI. Tasks that took a couple of days as a university administrator required weeks or months, he says. He writes that ORI’s budget was micromanaged by more senior officials, and that Koh’s office had a “seriously flawed” culture, calling it “secretive, autocratic and unaccountable.” For example, he told Wanda Jones, Koh’s deputy, that he urgently needed to appoint a director for ORI’s division of education. Jones told him the position was somewhere on a secret priority list of appointments. The position has not been filled 16 months later, David Wright notes.

OASH itself suffers from the tendency of bureaucracies to “focus … on perpetuating themselves,” David Wright writes. Officials spent “exorbitant amounts of time” in meetings and generating data and reports to make their divisions look productive, he writes. He asks whether OASH is the proper home for a regulatory office such as ORI, noting that Koh himself has described his office as an “intensely political environment.”

David Wright makes no mention of a recent letter to ORI from Senator Charles “Chuck” Grassley (R-IA), who has complained that ORI was not tough enough on an AIDS researcher at Iowa State University who faked data to obtain nearly $19 million in NIH funding. ORI barred the researcher, Dong-Pyou Han, from participating in PHS-funded research for 3 years, but Grassley has asked why ORI did not make him return federal grant money or impose harsher sanctions (more at Retraction Watch).

David Wright declined to be interviewed by ScienceInsider at this time. His letter indicates that he remains a federal employee until he finishes using leave time by 27 March. After that, he writes, he plans to publish a version of his daily log at ORI to share more of his experiences.

University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, research misconduct expert Nicholas Steneck tells ScienceInsider he hopes there won’t be another long delay before a new ORI director is appointed. “It’s a very important position. ORI needs a permanent director to operate effectively,” he says.

Here is the text of David Wright’s letter, provided to ScienceInsider by an anonymous source:

  • 2/25

    Dr. Howard Koh, M.D.

    Assistant Secretary for Health

    Dear Howard:

    I am writing to resign my position as Director, Office of Research Integrity, ORI/OASH/DHHS

    This has been at once the best and worst job I’ve ever had. The best part of it has been the opportunity to lead ORI intellectually and professionally in helping research institutions better handle allegations of research misconduct, provide in-service training for institutional Research Integrity Officers (RIOs), and develop programming to promote the Responsible Conduct of Research (RCR). Working with members of the research community, particularly RIOs, and the brilliant scientist-investigators in ORI has been one of the great pleasures of my long career. Unfortunately, and to my great surprise, it turned out to be only about 35% of the job.

    The rest of my role as ORI Director has been the very worst job I have ever had and it occupies up to 65% of my time. That part of the job is spent navigating the remarkably dysfunctional HHS bureaucracy to secure resources and, yes, get permission for ORI to serve the research community. I knew coming into this job about the bureaucratic limitations of the federal government, but I had no idea how stifling it would be. What I was able to do in a day or two as an academic administrator takes weeks or months in the federal government, our precinct of which is OASH.

    I believe there are a number of reasons for this. First, whereas in most organizations the front-line agencies that do the actual work, in our case protecting the integrity of millions of dollars of PHS-funded research, command the administrative support services to get the job done. In OASH it’s the exact opposite. The Op-Divs, as the front-line offices are called, get our budgets and then have to go hat-in-hand to the administrative support people in the “immediate office” of OASH to spend it, almost item by item. These people who are generally poorly informed about what ORI is and does decide whether our requests are “mission critical.”

    On one occasion, I was invited to give a talk on research integrity and misconduct to a large group of AAAS fellows. I needed to spend $35 to convert some old cassette tapes to CDs for use in the presentation. The immediate office denied my request after a couple of days of noodling. A university did the conversion for me in twenty minutes, and refused payment when I told them it was for an educational purpose.

    Second, the organizational culture of OASH’s immediate office is seriously flawed, in my opinion. The academic literature over the last twenty-five years on successful organizations highlights several characteristics: transparency, power-sharing or shared decision-making and accountability. If you invert these principles, you have an organization (OASH in this instance), which is secretive, autocratic and unaccountable.

    In one instance, by way of illustration, I urgently needed to fill a vacancy for an ORI division director. I asked the Principal Deputy Assistant Secretary for Health (your deputy) when I could proceed. She said there was a priority list. I asked where ORI’s request was on that list. She said the list was secret and that we weren’t on the top, but we weren’t on the bottom either. Sixteen months later we still don’t have a division director on board.

    On another occasion I asked your deputy why you didn’t conduct an evaluation by the Op-Divs of the immediate office administrative services to try to improve them. She responded that that had been tried a few years ago and the results were so negative that no further evaluations have been conducted.

    Third, there is the nature of the federal bureaucracy itself. The sociologist Max Weber observed in the early 20th century that while bureaucracy is in some instances an optimal organizational mode for a rationalized, industrial society, it has drawbacks. One is that public bureaucracies quit being about serving the public and focus instead on perpetuating themselves. This is exactly my experience with OASH. We spend exorbitant amounts of time in meetings and in generating repetitive and often meaningless data and reports to make our precinct of the bureaucracy look productive. None of this renders the slightest bit of assistance to ORI in handling allegations of misconduct or in promoting the responsible conduct of research. Instead, it sucks away time and resources that we might better use to meet our mission. Since I’ve been here I’ve been advised by my superiors that I had “to make my bosses look good.” I’ve been admonished: “Dave, you are a visionary leader but what we need here are team players.” Recently, I was advised that if I wanted to be happy in government service, I had to “lower my expectations.” The one thing no one in OASH leadership has said to me in two years is ‘how can we help ORI better serve the research community?’ Not once.

    Finally, there is another important organizational question that deserves mention: Is OASH the proper home for a regulatory agency such as ORI? OASH is a collection of important public health offices that have agendas significantly different from the regulatory roles of ORI and OHRP. You’ve observed that OASH operates in an “intensely political environment.” I agree and have observed that in this environment decisions are often made on the basis of political expediency and to obtain favorable “optics.” There is often a lack of procedural rigor in this environment. I discovered recently, for example, that OASH operates a grievance procedure for employees that has no due process protections of any kind for respondents to those grievances. Indeed, there are no written rules or procedures for the OASH grievance process regarding the rights and responsibilities of respondents. By contrast, agencies such as ORI are bound by regulation to make principled decisions on the basis of clearly articulated procedures that protect the rights of all involved. Our decisions must be supported by the weight of factual evidence. ORI’s decisions may be and frequently are tested in court. There are members of the press and the research community who don’t believe ORI belongs in an agency such as OASH and I, reluctantly, have come to agree.

    In closing, these twenty-six months of service as the Director of ORI have been a remarkable experience. As I wrote earlier in this letter, working with the research community and the remarkable scientist-investigators at ORI has been the best job I’ve ever had. As for the rest, I’m offended as an American taxpayer that the federal bureaucracy—at least the part I’ve labored in—is so profoundly dysfunctional. I’m hardly the first person to have made that discovery, but I’m saddened by the fact that there is so little discussion, much less outrage, regarding the problem. To promote healthy and productive discussion, I intend to publish a version of the daily log I’ve kept as ORI Director in order to share my experience and observations with my colleagues in government and with members of the regulated research community.

    I plan to work through Tuesday March 4, 2014 and then use vacation or sick days until Thursday March 27 (by which time I will have re-established health care through my university) and then end my federal government service.

    Sincerely,

This guy is allegedly going to release logs and records showing all the BS.
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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-you-might-lose-your-doctor-under-obamacare_784941.html

Obama: You Might Lose Your Doctor Under Obamacare
(1 minute video at link)

President Obama is warning Americans that they might have to change doctors because of Obamacare:

"For the average person, many folks who don't have health insurance initially, they're going to have to make some choices. And they might end up having to switch doctors, in part because they're saving money," said Obama in an interview with the medical website WebMD.

"But that’s true if your employer suddenly decides we think this network’s going to give a better deal, we think this is going to help keep premiums lower, you've got to use this doctor as opposed to that one, this hospital as opposed to that one. The good news is in most states people have more than one option and what they'll find, I think, is that their doctor or network or hospital that's conveniently located is probably in one of those networks. Now, you may find out that that network's more expensive than another network. And then you've got to make a choice in terms of what's right for your family."

This is different than what Obama said when he was selling Obamacare. "If you like the plan you have, you can keep it. If you like the doctor you have, you can keep your doctor, too. The only change you’ll see are falling costs as our reforms take hold," said Obama in his weekly address on June 6, 2009.

What a bunch of BS there, all CYA for #1 LIAR of 2013.
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kbp

Ignore the enthusiastic BS tossed in here, I'm only using the link to highlight numbers we have...
(I'm only pasting parts of the article, go to link if you want to read all of it)

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http://blogs.marketwatch.com/health-exchange/2014/03/11/obamacare-enrollment-surpasses-4-2-milllion-more-young-adults-signed-up/?link=instory

Obamacare enrollment bests 4.2 million; more young adults signed up

With one month to go for enrollment in the Affordable Care Act, 4.24 million consumers have enrolled in the program and the proportion of critical young adults — essential to the program’s success — is inching up, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid reported Tuesday.

CMS said that adults aged 18-34 comprised 27% of those who picked insurance plans via public exchanges during February. That figure is consistent with the 27% reported for January and slightly higher than the 24% for the first three months of enrollment in President Barack Obama’s signature legislative achievement.

In a conference call with reporters Tuesday afternoon, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius pointed to Monday’s Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index that showed a drop in the number of uninsured, from 17.1% of the population to 15.9%.

Collectively, 1.08 million young adults comprised 25% of the total Obamacare enrollment for October through February.

more than 8.75 million individuals who have visited HealthCare.gov or other public exchanges were deemed eligible for Obamacare. But only 5.25 million of those are eligible for subsidies, CMS figures show, and more than 83% of those already enrolled in the program are using financial assistance.
[83% of 5.25 million = 4.36 million. Not all are getting subsidies, so that last number is incorrect BS or they lost me somewhere!]

Numbers they cite from CMS:
...the proportion of critical young adults ...is inching up
...adults aged 18-34 comprised 27% of those who picked insurance plans
...1.08 million young adults comprised 25% of the total Obamacare enrollment for October through February.
...8.75 million individuals...deemed eligible for Obamacare
...5.25 million of those are eligible for subsidies
...83% of [5.25 million] already enrolled in the program are using financial assistance
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Numbers added from other sources:
Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius pointed to Monday’s Gallup-Healthways Well-Being Index that showed a drop in the number of uninsured

That reference to a private index for data was a play on the idea of the HHS not having the data available ....pure BS.

Keep in mind that Sebelius responded to reporters questions on how many have paid and were uninsured by telling the reporters to ask the private insurance companies, she did not know the answers.

How many think the insurance companies have NOT submitted numbers to get their money? The HHS/CMS has too many numbers to not have answers for the questions asked, but even ignoring that, they absolutely would have the numbers on hand for subsidies to cover premiums through all enrollments of plans with coverage activated by March 1. The insurance companies will not sit on those invoices to make Obamacare work better, they're submitting invoices using the "honor system."

The invoicing should include numbers for cancellations resulting from non-payment, the insurance companies would have that information. Surely we're not using an "honor system" that involves the companies just calling in some random total Sebelius will give 'em a check for each month, absent any data to support the totals. She should have the no-pay numbers for subsidized plans for January, February and March coverage...which might be used to estimate the total no-pays.

Maybe the media is asking the wrong question. Maybe they need to ask how many subsidized plans have been no-pays.

ADD: Wouldn't the "honor system" invoices be public information?
Edited by kbp, Mar 14 2014, 11:29 AM.
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