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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,700 Views)
kbp

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Mar 11 2014, 09:51 PM
White House STILL won't say how many Obamacare enrollees have paid for plans, but announces 4.2 million total through February – just 60 per cent of original goal

As March 31 deadline approaches, the administration is nowhere near its original goal of 7 million signups – or its revised target of 6 million
But the administration hasn't said how many have paid their premiums, claming their accounts-payable system isn't yet set up to compute totals
Seven U.S. states, however, have released their paid/unpaid numbers, and those figures indicate that just 3.3 million have paid for insurance
The White House has asked insurers to cut delinquent enrollees some slack, but some insurance execs say they won't do it
A troubling survey from a health care consultancy found last week that just 27 per cent of enrollees were previously uninsured

As of March 1 about 4.2 million Americans had signed up for medical insurance coverage through the Affordable Care Act, according to numbers released Tuesday by the Obama administration. But it remains unclear how many of those enrollees have put their money where their mouse is.

Combined figures published by Obamacare marketplaces in California, Connecticut, Maryland, Nevada, Rhode Island, Vermont and Washington indicate that just 79 per cent of signups in those states have come with checks attached.

If those numbers were to hold up nationally, it would mean that about 1.1 million Obamacare enrollees have selected insurance plans without paying for them – bringing the actual total of Obamacare-insured Americans down to 3.3 million....snipped

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2578645/White-House-STILL-wont-say-Obamacare-enrollees-paid-plans-announces-4-2-million-total-February-just-60-cent-original-goal.html

Their numbers do NOT work out unless the data has been changed, it di equal about 35% no-pay.
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kbp

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Mar 11 2014, 09:55 PM
ObamaCare's Secret Mandate Exemption
HHS quietly repeals the individual purchase rule for two more years.


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...This lax standard—no formula or hard test beyond a person's belief—at least ostensibly requires proof such as an insurer termination notice. But people can also qualify for hardships for the unspecified nonreason that "you experienced another hardship in obtaining health insurance," which only requires "documentation if possible." And yet another waiver is available to those who say they are merely unable to afford coverage, regardless of their prior insurance. In a word, these shifting legal benchmarks offer an exemption to everyone who conceivably wants one.

Keep in mind that the White House argued at the Supreme Court that the individual mandate to buy insurance was indispensable to the law's success, and President Obama continues to say he'd veto the bipartisan bills that would delay or repeal it. So why are ObamaCare liberals silently gutting their own creation now?

The answers are the implementation fiasco and politics. [...] Some substantial share of the people ObamaCare is supposed to help say it is a bad financial value. You might even call it a hardship....

Considering the tax/penalty would hit the poor the hardest, it's probably a hot topic for the 2016 election. Imagine the GOP working to save the poor from government penalties they can't afford! I bet the Dem's will distance themselves even more as 2016 gets closer!
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Wasn't the whole government shut down due to the democrats not agreeing to delay the ACA mandate? And here they are doing just that!
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kbp

The most obvious differences being a conservative Republican only begged for a 12 month delay!
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kbp

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http://news.yahoo.com/steady-health-care-sign-ups-may-miss-goal-200103628--politics.html

Steady health care sign-ups may miss goal of 6M

The administration says President Barack Obama's health care law made steady progress in February, with more than 940,000 people signing up for coverage.

Even so, it's starting to look like the White House could well miss the unofficial goal of signing up 6 million people by the end of open enrollment March 31.

Check the math:

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius announced Tuesday that February's sign-ups brought the total enrolled to 4.2 million people.

But that means to meet the final goal, another 1.8 million people would have to enroll in March, an average of 60,000 a day.

That's way above the daily averages for January and February, which range between 33,000 and 34,000.

The revised goal of 6 million is 1 million short of the "target" goal established by insurance companies when they estimated enrollment to determine premium rates ...and the absence of young participants will increase losses much greater than the head count alone represents.

IOW, the 6M is just a number they pulled outta their azz and means nothing.
Edited by kbp, Mar 12 2014, 08:44 AM.
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kbp

Last night Kelly Files had Ezekiel "Zeke" Emanuel on the show, evidently he was there to have a large number of viewers be told about his book, for he had nothing of value to tell about that would help Obamacare (Zeke helped write the law).

He's been on a few programs and has said numerous times that the 7 million was NOT the HHS/CMS goal, to which news programs often play a video of Sibelius stating 7 million.

The 7 million is the "target" number premiums are based on by projected enrollment the insurance company actuaries put out.

I'm always disappointed that the reporters do not point that out and just cite the actual numbers produced by CMS.

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http://waysandmeans.house.gov/uploadedfiles/enrolltargets_09052013_.pdf

FROM: Marilyn Tavenner, CMS Administrator
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ISSUE
This memo provides you an overview of projected monthly enrollment targets in the Health Insurance Marketplace for the first open enrollment period: October 1, 2013 – March 31, 2014.

This memo is for your information only; you do not need to take any action on this. Please let us know if you have questions or guidance regarding these estimates.

DISCUSSION
Projections
The Department projections begin with the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) national Marketplace enrollment estimate of 7 million individuals in 2014 and project monthly enrollment totals for each month of the open enrollment period (see Table 1). These projections rely on state targets where available.

In developing these projections, we draw on the experience of Commonwealth Care in Massachusetts, Medicare Part D, and conversations with employers, issuers and states. We project that Marketplace enrollment will start slowly, with significant peaks in December (as we approach the January 1 coverage date) and March (as we approach the close of open enrollment).

Table 1: Projected Monthly National Enrollment Targets for
Health Insurance Marketplaces, 2014
Month of Open Enrollment for Year One Incremental portion of 7 million enrolled Cumulative portion of 7 million enrolled
Oct. 2013 494,620 (7%) 494,620 (7%)
Nov. 2013 706,600 (10%) 1,201,220 (17%)
Dec. 2013 2,119,800 (30%) 3,321,020 (47%)
Jan. 2014 1,059,900 (15%) 4,380,920 (62%)
Feb. 2014 1,271,880 (18%) 5,652,800 (80%)
Mar. 2014 1,413,200 (20%) 7, 066,000 (100%)

Notice I highlighted the 1,201,220 (17%) November "Cumulative portion of 7 million enrolled" because I suspect that is the number they'll use to define success.

We'll hear that the minor delay from web site problems in this MASSIVE project shorted them of 1.2 million enrollees. Compound that with the loss of cumulative momentum to reach 7 million and you'll have an excuse for a final enrollment as low as 5 million ....less after we learn how many did NOT pay, but that's a problem for months later after they finally fix the system so they will have the number ...recall they're all for paying taxpayer funds by way of the 'honor system' count the insurance companies will work with them on ...they told us the pay section of the program may not be fixed until some time after next October.

success = ...it could have been worse
Edited by kbp, Mar 12 2014, 09:45 AM.
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kbp

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http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/11/Obamacare-Falls-330-000-Short-of-February-Enrollment-Goal

Obamacare Falls 330,000 Short of February Enrollment Goal
By John Sexton

Obamacare enrollment continued to slide off December highs in February with HHS reporting 940,000 people enrolled last month. In addition the percentage of "young invincibles" signing up was the same as in January, just 27 percent. That's far short of the 38 percent originally expected.

The February enrollment numbers are also important for what they don't show. Back in September CMS published enrollment targets for each month which anticipated sign ups would follow a particular pattern. Enrollment would be slow at first followed by a big December as the first deadline was reached. Things would drop off in January but then ramp back up in Feb. for a big finish in March.....

H/T to John for the link of the previous post, though we have that somewhere within our various threads on this Obamacare mess!
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kbp

Drudge...

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http://freebeacon.com/oklahoma-man-loses-insurance-due-to-obamacare-owes-100k-in-bills/

Oklahoma Man Loses Insurance Due to Obamacare, Owes $100K in Bills


An Oklahoma man is facing over $100,000 in hospital bills because he lost his health insurance plan due to Obamacare.

Lenny Hubbs, a “healthy man,” as his wife describes him, is a self-employed contractor who was previously on his wife’s health insurance plan. Her employer announced that his employees would no longer be allowed to pay for their spouses’ premiums.

They could not afford to purchase health insurance. Lenny’s wife told KXII-TX that “good” health insurance would have cost them $500 a month. They do not qualify for Medicaid.

Hubbs became sick about two weeks ago. Doctors told him his lungs were filling with blood and diagnosed him with Pneumonia.

He visited two hospitals to seek treatment. The Hubbs allege that he did not receive proper treatment at either hospital because they were uninsured. He had to have part of his lung removed and now are stuck with upwards of $100,000 in hospital bills.


...it could have been worse. That's one person that did not die as a result of Obamacare.
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kbp

Food for thought...

We witnessed a three month lag between the beginning of open enrollment on October 1, 2013, and January 1, 2014 when Exchange Plan coverage benefits kicked in.

Then we saw HHS/CMS actually THREATEN insurance companies by writing to tell them next year would see some companies booted out if they had not been overly cooperative in bending and breaking the rules to stimulate enrollment.

That means some people had up to about 175 days (4.5 months of 10/1/13 - 2/15/14) to make that first payment (pay Feb 15 for Jan 1 coverage!). Imagine paying your first month of coverage 45 days later.

Would that mean the second month of coverage was past due before you paid the first? It would in any insurance coverage I've ever had!

I have not heard anything about changing the due date for payment of the SECOND premium nor any companies reporting cancellations yet.

The SECOND month for coverage of the Jan 1 policy holders has passed. Is there some unwritten grace period for the SECOND month?

Now we're in the THIRD month...

The HHS was bragging about January enrollment, and now we also have February enrollment numbers. Going with their head count, we'd have about 2 million that should have paid for 3 months of coverage, 1 million for 2 months, and another 1 million for a single month.

Where are the cancellation numbers??????
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Obama: drop your cable TV and cell phones, and maybe you can afford my health care plan

Remember when Barack Obama used to boast that Affordable Care Act plans would be cheaper than cable-TV or cell phone service? It wasn't that long ago. "For a lot of people, it will be cheaper than your cell phone bill," he said during a radio interview last August.

Well, now President Downgrade is sitting in town hall meetings and telling people to cancel their cell phones and cable TV, so they can afford his stupid health-care plan:

Video:Pres Obama: Cut Household Spending to Afford Health Care Law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQIJAK0NFA


Next he'll be telling us to drive less, so we can divert our gas money into his health care premiums. Good for you, good for the Earth!

This clip is going to haunt Democrats during the 2014 election; it should figure prominently in every Republican attack ad, right alongside his old-and-busted promises that health care will be so cheap we'll scarcely notice the expense. Throw in a few clips of people testifying about how much their premiums and deductibles have increased under ObamaCare, and you've got the kind of advertising that creates historic wave elections.

And if I were a Republican strategist, I'd take the critique beyond ObamaCare. Everything about Barack Obama speaks of failure, downgrade, lowered expectations, a reduced standard of living, and fewer opportunities. He really is Jimmy Carter's second coming. He spends all his time telling us how many sacrifices we have to make, in order to comply with his agenda, or instructing one group of Americans to hate another so he can harvest their votes. What a parlous, hopeless, vicious, threadbare nation Obama's America is. Let's all stand up and tell Democrats we're tired of hearing their lectures about all the stuff we need to give up, in order for them to live like kings.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/12/Obama-drop-your-cable-TV-and-cell-phones-and-maybe-you-can-afford-my-health-care-plan


This is the same guy who flies on the USA taxpayer's dime enjoying the high life with vacations. The one to hawaii cost us $4 million. The same guy whose wife wears a $12,000 gown to a State Dinner.

Yet he tells a man who makes $36,000 a year that if he cut out cable tv and cell phone he could buy Healthcare. Yet his comes free.

azzhat1: What an arrogant azzhat azzhat1:

BTW It is the same old same old Marxist crap. They always bring scarcities to the people while they enjoy their dachas and perks.
Edited by Baldo, Mar 12 2014, 02:05 PM.
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Sebelius Admits Premiums to go UP under Obamacare!

$2,500 Savings a Year another Lie fed to the Taxpayers!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/stunner-sebelius-admits-obamacare-will-raise-premiums/


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Baldo
Mar 12 2014, 02:03 PM
Obama: drop your cable TV and cell phones, and maybe you can afford my health care plan

Remember when Barack Obama used to boast that Affordable Care Act plans would be cheaper than cable-TV or cell phone service? It wasn't that long ago. "For a lot of people, it will be cheaper than your cell phone bill," he said during a radio interview last August.

Well, now President Downgrade is sitting in town hall meetings and telling people to cancel their cell phones and cable TV, so they can afford his stupid health-care plan:

Video:Pres Obama: Cut Household Spending to Afford Health Care Law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQIJAK0NFA


Next he'll be telling us to drive less, so we can divert our gas money into his health care premiums. Good for you, good for the Earth!

This clip is going to haunt Democrats during the 2014 election; it should figure prominently in every Republican attack ad, right alongside his old-and-busted promises that health care will be so cheap we'll scarcely notice the expense. Throw in a few clips of people testifying about how much their premiums and deductibles have increased under ObamaCare, and you've got the kind of advertising that creates historic wave elections.

And if I were a Republican strategist, I'd take the critique beyond ObamaCare. Everything about Barack Obama speaks of failure, downgrade, lowered expectations, a reduced standard of living, and fewer opportunities. He really is Jimmy Carter's second coming. He spends all his time telling us how many sacrifices we have to make, in order to comply with his agenda, or instructing one group of Americans to hate another so he can harvest their votes. What a parlous, hopeless, vicious, threadbare nation Obama's America is. Let's all stand up and tell Democrats we're tired of hearing their lectures about all the stuff we need to give up, in order for them to live like kings.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/12/Obama-drop-your-cable-TV-and-cell-phones-and-maybe-you-can-afford-my-health-care-plan


This is the same guy who flies on the USA taxpayer's dime enjoying the high life with vacations. The one to hawaii cost us $4 million. The same guy whose wife wears a $12,000 gown to a State Dinner.

Yet he tells a man who makes $36,000 a year that if he cut out cable tv and cell phone he could buy Healthcare. Yet his comes free.

azzhat1: What an arrogant azzhat azzhat1:

BTW It is the same old same old Marxist crap. They always bring scarcities to the people while they enjoy their dachas and perks.
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And the Media is Silent!

Just unbelievable!

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kbp

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Mar 12 2014, 10:47 PM
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Sebelius Admits Premiums to go UP under Obamacare!

$2,500 Savings a Year another Lie fed to the Taxpayers!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/stunner-sebelius-admits-obamacare-will-raise-premiums/


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The exact quote from her is not found at most links:

"I think premiums are likely to go up, but at a smaller pace than what we've seen since 2010."

They should have called her out on that statement. The regulations driving up premiums started as early as 2009, so the "since 2010" - that's starts in 2011 - avoids an entire year of Obamacare premium hikes.


Obamacare is a major multi-trillion dollar government solution for the uninsured that will see less than 1 million newly insured participants (excluding new Medicaid recipients we're paying the entire load for). This system will provide less than 3% of the uninsured with coverage this year, which is less than .003% of the US population (that's three tenths of one percent!). This means more than 99.7% of the US population will not benefit from insurance coverage they did not already have.

The economic benefit repeal of Obamacare would provide would most likely increase tax revenue enough to pay for the premiums of all uninsured individuals and families that have gained coverage through Obamacare.

It's great the GOP is pointing out the removal of rights this law has imposed, but none are citing what the overall cost is when you divide it per newly insured person.
Edited by kbp, Mar 13 2014, 09:53 AM.
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amd still,idiot is saying the premium will be going down. People will save money. Yes, from idiot.
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Mar 13 2014, 09:54 AM
amd still,idiot is saying the premium will be going down. People will save money. Yes, from idiot.
EXACTLY!

The claim is always that over the long-term the premium will be lower. Hidden within his words, it means a lower INCREASE in rates for MORE insurance than most want.
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