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| kbp | Mar 11 2014, 11:35 PM Post #76 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Their numbers do NOT work out unless the data has been changed, it di equal about 35% no-pay. |
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| kbp | Mar 12 2014, 12:02 AM Post #77 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Considering the tax/penalty would hit the poor the hardest, it's probably a hot topic for the 2016 election. Imagine the GOP working to save the poor from government penalties they can't afford! I bet the Dem's will distance themselves even more as 2016 gets closer! |
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| Concerned | Mar 12 2014, 12:38 AM Post #78 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Wasn't the whole government shut down due to the democrats not agreeing to delay the ACA mandate? And here they are doing just that! | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| kbp | Mar 12 2014, 07:35 AM Post #79 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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The most obvious differences being a conservative Republican only begged for a 12 month delay! | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| kbp | Mar 12 2014, 08:41 AM Post #80 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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The revised goal of 6 million is 1 million short of the "target" goal established by insurance companies when they estimated enrollment to determine premium rates ...and the absence of young participants will increase losses much greater than the head count alone represents. IOW, the 6M is just a number they pulled outta their azz and means nothing. Edited by kbp, Mar 12 2014, 08:44 AM.
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| kbp | Mar 12 2014, 09:43 AM Post #81 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Last night Kelly Files had Ezekiel "Zeke" Emanuel on the show, evidently he was there to have a large number of viewers be told about his book, for he had nothing of value to tell about that would help Obamacare (Zeke helped write the law). He's been on a few programs and has said numerous times that the 7 million was NOT the HHS/CMS goal, to which news programs often play a video of Sibelius stating 7 million. The 7 million is the "target" number premiums are based on by projected enrollment the insurance company actuaries put out. I'm always disappointed that the reporters do not point that out and just cite the actual numbers produced by CMS.
Notice I highlighted the 1,201,220 (17%) November "Cumulative portion of 7 million enrolled" because I suspect that is the number they'll use to define success. We'll hear that the minor delay from web site problems in this MASSIVE project shorted them of 1.2 million enrollees. Compound that with the loss of cumulative momentum to reach 7 million and you'll have an excuse for a final enrollment as low as 5 million ....less after we learn how many did NOT pay, but that's a problem for months later after they finally fix the system so they will have the number ...recall they're all for paying taxpayer funds by way of the 'honor system' count the insurance companies will work with them on ...they told us the pay section of the program may not be fixed until some time after next October. success = ...it could have been worse Edited by kbp, Mar 12 2014, 09:45 AM.
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| kbp | Mar 12 2014, 09:49 AM Post #82 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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H/T to John for the link of the previous post, though we have that somewhere within our various threads on this Obamacare mess! |
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| kbp | Mar 12 2014, 10:39 AM Post #83 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Drudge...
...it could have been worse. That's one person that did not die as a result of Obamacare. |
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| kbp | Mar 12 2014, 01:30 PM Post #84 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Food for thought... We witnessed a three month lag between the beginning of open enrollment on October 1, 2013, and January 1, 2014 when Exchange Plan coverage benefits kicked in. Then we saw HHS/CMS actually THREATEN insurance companies by writing to tell them next year would see some companies booted out if they had not been overly cooperative in bending and breaking the rules to stimulate enrollment. That means some people had up to about 175 days (4.5 months of 10/1/13 - 2/15/14) to make that first payment (pay Feb 15 for Jan 1 coverage!). Imagine paying your first month of coverage 45 days later. Would that mean the second month of coverage was past due before you paid the first? It would in any insurance coverage I've ever had! I have not heard anything about changing the due date for payment of the SECOND premium nor any companies reporting cancellations yet. The SECOND month for coverage of the Jan 1 policy holders has passed. Is there some unwritten grace period for the SECOND month? Now we're in the THIRD month... The HHS was bragging about January enrollment, and now we also have February enrollment numbers. Going with their head count, we'd have about 2 million that should have paid for 3 months of coverage, 1 million for 2 months, and another 1 million for a single month. Where are the cancellation numbers?????? |
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| Baldo | Mar 12 2014, 02:03 PM Post #85 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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Obama: drop your cable TV and cell phones, and maybe you can afford my health care plan Remember when Barack Obama used to boast that Affordable Care Act plans would be cheaper than cable-TV or cell phone service? It wasn't that long ago. "For a lot of people, it will be cheaper than your cell phone bill," he said during a radio interview last August. Well, now President Downgrade is sitting in town hall meetings and telling people to cancel their cell phones and cable TV, so they can afford his stupid health-care plan: Video:Pres Obama: Cut Household Spending to Afford Health Care Law https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQIJAK0NFA Next he'll be telling us to drive less, so we can divert our gas money into his health care premiums. Good for you, good for the Earth! This clip is going to haunt Democrats during the 2014 election; it should figure prominently in every Republican attack ad, right alongside his old-and-busted promises that health care will be so cheap we'll scarcely notice the expense. Throw in a few clips of people testifying about how much their premiums and deductibles have increased under ObamaCare, and you've got the kind of advertising that creates historic wave elections. And if I were a Republican strategist, I'd take the critique beyond ObamaCare. Everything about Barack Obama speaks of failure, downgrade, lowered expectations, a reduced standard of living, and fewer opportunities. He really is Jimmy Carter's second coming. He spends all his time telling us how many sacrifices we have to make, in order to comply with his agenda, or instructing one group of Americans to hate another so he can harvest their votes. What a parlous, hopeless, vicious, threadbare nation Obama's America is. Let's all stand up and tell Democrats we're tired of hearing their lectures about all the stuff we need to give up, in order for them to live like kings. http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/12/Obama-drop-your-cable-TV-and-cell-phones-and-maybe-you-can-afford-my-health-care-plan This is the same guy who flies on the USA taxpayer's dime enjoying the high life with vacations. The one to hawaii cost us $4 million. The same guy whose wife wears a $12,000 gown to a State Dinner. Yet he tells a man who makes $36,000 a year that if he cut out cable tv and cell phone he could buy Healthcare. Yet his comes free. What an arrogant azzhat BTW It is the same old same old Marxist crap. They always bring scarcities to the people while they enjoy their dachas and perks. Edited by Baldo, Mar 12 2014, 02:05 PM.
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| Mason | Mar 12 2014, 10:47 PM Post #86 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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. Sebelius Admits Premiums to go UP under Obamacare! $2,500 Savings a Year another Lie fed to the Taxpayers! http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/stunner-sebelius-admits-obamacare-will-raise-premiums/ . |
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| Mason | Mar 12 2014, 10:48 PM Post #87 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| kbp | Mar 13 2014, 09:52 AM Post #88 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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The exact quote from her is not found at most links: "I think premiums are likely to go up, but at a smaller pace than what we've seen since 2010." They should have called her out on that statement. The regulations driving up premiums started as early as 2009, so the "since 2010" - that's starts in 2011 - avoids an entire year of Obamacare premium hikes. Obamacare is a major multi-trillion dollar government solution for the uninsured that will see less than 1 million newly insured participants (excluding new Medicaid recipients we're paying the entire load for). This system will provide less than 3% of the uninsured with coverage this year, which is less than .003% of the US population (that's three tenths of one percent!). This means more than 99.7% of the US population will not benefit from insurance coverage they did not already have. The economic benefit repeal of Obamacare would provide would most likely increase tax revenue enough to pay for the premiums of all uninsured individuals and families that have gained coverage through Obamacare. It's great the GOP is pointing out the removal of rights this law has imposed, but none are citing what the overall cost is when you divide it per newly insured person. Edited by kbp, Mar 13 2014, 09:53 AM.
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| chatham | Mar 13 2014, 09:54 AM Post #89 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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amd still,idiot is saying the premium will be going down. People will save money. Yes, from idiot. | |||||||||||||||||||||
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| kbp | Mar 13 2014, 10:02 AM Post #90 | |||||||||||||||||||||
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EXACTLY! The claim is always that over the long-term the premium will be lower. Hidden within his words, it means a lower INCREASE in rates for MORE insurance than most want. |
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What an arrogant azzhat
11:55 AM Jul 13