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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,647 Views)
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Tweet... Dan points out a big error made by the pro-Obamacare man at WaPo!

From that WaPo article:

  • Merging of the two bills in late 2009: Throughout November of 2009 the two bills were merged by committee staffers, and the resulting Senate bill also contains repeated examples of the “exchange established by the state” language that is now threatening the law. But as noted above, both bills did provide subsidies in all states. How is this disconnect possible? Yvette Fontenot, a lead Finance staffer who was directly involved in the merger of the bills, tells me what happened:

    “...Both the Finance and HELP committee bills provided tax credits in all states. During the merger of the two bills, we layered the HELP Committee language that established a federal fallback on top of the Finance Committee language that included ‘exchange established by the state.’ The result was the tax credits were to apply to all exchanges, both state and federal.”

    David Bowen, a HELP committee staffer who also was involved in merging the bills, adds:

    “...It was clear both in the legislative language in both committees and in the intent of the Senators supporting the bill that the credits would be available in all states, regardless of whether the state or the federal government operated the Gateway. That intent certainly didn’t change during the merger process.”


The court that just ruled on the Halbig case, when considering what the HELP and Finance bills meant in displaying what Congress intended, had stated:

  • ...This is not to say that section 36B [the section of PPACA that provides for subsidies] necessarily incorporated this thinking; we agree that inferences from unenacted legislation are too uncertain to be a helpful guide to the intent behind a specific provision.

    But the HELP Committee’s bill certainly demonstrates that members of Congress at least considered the notion of using subsidies as an incentive to gain states’ cooperation.
The court couldn't say that "explicit language" had been dropped until someone showed clear proof indicating that the HELP and Finance bills were used by the Congress to construct the ACA that had parts DROPPED.

This looks like a direct link to tie the HELP bill to ACA and show that the HHS established exchange subsidies were DROPPED, getting past that "unenacted legislation are too uncertain" issue.
Edited by kbp, Aug 5 2014, 12:10 PM.
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http://online.wsj.com/articles/adam-j-white-no-need-for-a-halbig-rehearing-1407195952

No Need For a Halbig Rehearing
The D.C. Circuit's own rules and one of its judges point the way forward for the recent ObamaCare ruling

By Adam J. White
Aug. 4, 2014 7:45 p.m. ET


The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled last month in Halbig v. Burwell that the Obama administration's regulations for federal health-insurance exchanges violate the Affordable Care Act's plain language. But the administration hopes that its loss will prove short-lived: On Friday the Justice Department formally petitioned the court to rehear the case en banc—that is, for all 11 active judges to vacate the original three-judge panel's decision.

Why would the court grant an en banc rehearing? Emily Bazelon offered a blunt answer in a July 22 piece for the online magazine Slate: "The D.C. Circuit (finally!) has four Obama appointees on it," and so Democrats now outnumber Republicans. "Presto," she wrote, a loss today "can be a winner tomorrow."

But if the D.C. Circuit rehears the case en banc, it would be a sharp break from history. The D.C. Circuit rehears virtually none of its cases. Each year the court's three-judge panels make roughly 500 rulings, but the court averages roughly one en banc rehearing. This year has produced a bumper crop: two. The previous year: zero.

The low numbers are thanks to the court's high standard, found in the Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure: En banc rehearing "is not favored and ordinarily will not be ordered" unless the case satisfies one of two standards. First, an en banc rehearing may be needed to "secure or maintain uniformity of the court's decisions." A three-judge panel is not allowed to overrule old precedents, even when precedents are in conflict; only the full court can do so, en banc.

Second, en banc rehearing is appropriate for what the federal appellate rules call cases of "exceptional importance." For the D.C. Circuit, this standard has been met almost exclusively by cases raising serious constitutional issues. Over the past decade seven of the nine cases reheard en banc raised difficult questions of constitutional law, such as the rights of Guantanamo detainees or of terminally ill patients.

Cases that will substantially affect the court's own workings also can be deemed of "exceptional importance." In 2011, the court sat en banc to decide whether taxpayers could file lawsuits challenging IRS procedures for obtaining tax refunds.

Halbig checks none of these boxes. It is a straightforward statutory interpretation case. The administration's supporters seem to believe that Halbig has "exceptional importance" because the Affordable Care Act is exceptionally important to them and the panel's decision was, in their eyes, wrong. But that is a dangerous interpretation of the standard, for reasons best stated by Judge Harry Edwards —the very D.C. Circuit judge who dissented from the panel decision in Halbig.

"Obviously, no judge agrees with all of the decisions handed down in the circuit," Mr. Edwards wrote in a 1987 case involving the Department of Health and Human Services. But if each judge called for en banc rehearing simply to overturn a panel decision with which he personally disagrees, it would do "substantial violence to the collegiality that is indispensable to judicial decision-making" [his italics]. Rather, en banc review must be reserved for "the rarest of circumstances," Mr. Edwards wrote, cases with "real significance to the legal process."

Mr. Edwards played an important role in the court's history on precisely this issue. In the 1980s, acrimony on the D.C. Circuit was well known. But in the 1990s, Mr. Edwards became chief judge and restored collegiality, in part by greatly reducing the number of en banc rehearings, to three a year in the 1990s from roughly six a year in the 1980s.

Subsequent chief judges maintained this trend, rehearing roughly one case en banc each year. His successor, Douglas Ginsburg, wrote in the journal Judicature last year that the court's steep decline in en banc rehearings "reflect[s) in part the increasing level of mutual trust and respect among the judges."

The D.C. Circuit's current chief judge is Merrick Garland, a Bill Clinton appointee, but the decision to grant the government's request for an en banc rehearing lies with a majority vote of all 11 active judges, who have an open-ended timeline for issuing a ruling.

Those who claim that the D.C. Circuit will rehear the case en banc do no service to the court's judges, who know the threat that overtly politicized en banc rehearings pose to the court's collegiality. The controversy surrounding HHS's federal exchanges should be resolved promptly by the Supreme Court. There's no need to tarry any longer at the D.C. Circuit.

Unfortunately, I suspect the "four Obama appointees on it" do not make me feel secure in guessing that "the collegiality that is indispensable to judicial decision-making" will be a strong factor they'll give much weight to. How the balance of the 11 will go, I have no idea. If they do rehear it, that might add to the reasons for SCOTUS to take the case, as it evidently has "exceptional importance" as a case or develops into an "exceptional importance" case because the DC Court took it and SCOTUS questions 'why' they did such.
Edited by kbp, Aug 5 2014, 01:14 PM.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/plan-to-simplify-2015-health-renewals-may-backfire/2014/07/27/40a3336a-158d-11e4-88f7-96ed767bb747_story.html
Plan to simplify 2015 health renewals may backfire

It is still not fixed!
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Aug 5 2014, 11:51 PM
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It was 10 months ago, that Nancy Pelosi said they just need to take out that glitch!

The Web-site is the easy part, too.

The next phase is going to be hiding the cost increases. Maybe keep them between Insurance and companies and the Gov, as long as they can. People are going to hosptial more - and that was the bedrock for all the "savings", supposedly.


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Edited by Mason, Aug 6 2014, 06:46 AM.
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http://online.wsj.com/articles/poorly-managed-healthcare-gov-construction-cost-840-million-watchdog-finds-1406751529
Poorly Managed HealthCare.gov Construction Cost $840 Million, Watchdog Finds
Government Accountability Office Says Risks Remain Without Improved Oversight at Health Agency



My comments...
The enrollment numbers reported to date can't be verified. A count of the uninsured now being covered by Obamacare is not available, so they have to push some irrelevant polling that shows a reduction in that number. The costs for Obamacare have doubled, and they are increasing with changes that violate the law in which the CBO said they can't calculate. The public is shouldering increased premium costs to redistribute health care. Now, after almost 4 years, their web system is still NOT complete.

We have a high-tech "honor" system that they praise simply because it could have been worse and was at the start when they opened enrollment. It's like a new car that had only one wheel and the repair was to add a second wheel and staff that runs along side the vehicle to keeps it somewhat balanced ...a staff states are asking for mo' money to fund, the HHS is shifting funds to cover and they are not yet half way done with completing the enrollment tasks their "honor" system created.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/us/politics/problems-with-healthcaregov-could-force-delays-in-fall.html
Investigators Warn of Possible Perils in Fall With Health Site

....In testimony prepared for the hearing, Andrew M. Slavitt, the No. 2 official at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, said consumers would have “a better shopping experience” this fall. “This coming year will be one of continued improvement, but not perfection,” said Mr. Slavitt, who joined the government three weeks ago...
What a BS statement in search of casting some unidentified positive results about an incomplete task!

Obama success: ...it could have been worse!
Edited by kbp, Aug 6 2014, 08:54 AM.
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I'm seeing quite a few positive headlines about 2 quarter profit/loss reports coming from the big insurance companies. The general summary is it seems like 6-10% reductions in profit are good news nowadays. Go figure... as they brag about making less on higher revenue. They just say it is better than they expected with the Obamacare changes!
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/tax-challenge-to-obamacare-rejected/2014/07/29/556fc1de-1743-11e4-88f7-96ed767bb747_story.html

Appeals court rejects tax challenge to Obamacare

Rejecting the latest effort to sidetrack “Obamacare,” a federal appeals court turned away a challenge by a conservative group that said Congress imposed new taxes unconstitutionally when it created the Affordable Care Act.

Pacific Legal Foundation and a small-business owner, Matt Sissel, argued that the Affordable Care Act is a bill for raising revenue and that it violated the Origination Clause of the Constitution because it began in the Senate, not the House. The Constitution requires that legislation to raise revenue must start in the House.

In a 3-0 ruling, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit said that rather than being a revenue-raising device, it is beyond dispute that the paramount aim of Obamacare is to increase the number of Americans covered by health insurance and decrease the cost of health care.

“The Supreme Court has held from the early days of this nation that revenue bills are those that levy taxes in the strict sense of the word, and are not bills for other purposes which may incidentally create revenue,” the appeals court decision said.
[So Robert's TAX is only a TAX when it is convenient to have it declared a TAX?]

The challengers to the law said it began in the Senate when Majority Leader Harry Reid took an unrelated House bill and inserted language that became the Affordable Care Act. The original measure was designed to help veterans buy homes.

Appeals judge Judith Rogers, an appointee of President Bill Clinton, wrote the opinion for the court. The other two judges in the case — Cornelia Pillard and Robert Wilkins — are appointees of President Barack Obama.

Pacific Legal Foundation said the appeals court judges adopted a vague general purpose test for deciding which taxes have to start in the House and which do not. The Constitution, the organization said, makes no such distinction and neither does Supreme Court precedent. The group said it will pursue the issue — up to the Supreme Court if necessary.

The appeals court said the Supreme Court acknowledged that the shared responsibility payments for not signing up for coverage may ultimately generate substantial revenues — potentially $4 billion in annual income for the government by 2017.

But those revenues are a byproduct of the Affordable Care Act’s primary aim to induce participation in health insurance plans, said the appeals court. Successful operation of Obamacare, the appeals court pointed out, would mean less revenue from the shared responsibility payments, not more.
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Looks like this could end back in the supreme court where roberts gets a chance to change his mind.
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chatham
Aug 6 2014, 09:43 AM
Looks like this could end back in the supreme court where roberts gets a chance to change his mind.
:roflmao:

He'd come up with some baffling exception to what TAX means!
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http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/tatiana-lozano/justice-ginsburg-buying-contraceptives-others-one-obligations-citizens

Justice Ginsburg: Buying Contraceptives for Others is One of the ‘Obligations That Citizens Have’

Providing women with cost-free health-insurance coverage for contraceptives is one of the “obligations” of citizenship, U.S. Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said Wednesday in an interview with Yahoo’s Katie Couric.

“Some people say there’s something troubling about mandating a private company though, to do something that is against their deeply held religious beliefs. What would you say to those people?” Couric asked Ginsburg, one of four dissenting justices in the court’s landmark Burwell v. Hobby Lobby decision.

“When you’re part of a society, you can’t separate yourself from the obligations that citizens have,” the justice replied.

[...]

“Your 35-page dissent has been described as blistering and scathing,” Couric noted to Ginsburg. “Why did you find this decision so disturbing?”

“The decision that an employer could refuse to cover contraceptives meant that women would have to take care of that for themselves or the men who cared,” Ginsburg replied. “Contraceptive protection is something that every woman must have access to control her own destiny,” she added.
[Self-reliance gets lost here somehow!]

“I certainly respect the belief of the Hobby Lobby owners. On the other hand, they have no constitutional right to foist that belief on the hundreds and hundreds of women who work for them who don’t share that belief. I had never seen the free exercise of religion clause interpreted in such a way.”
This is disturbing!

Her job is to interpret laws the people are subject to. It seems to me that any local, state or federal law must never violate laws of higher authority.

The nation declared its independence with a preamble that notes our right to life.

  • We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
It then created the Constitution to tell us how they could govern our basic rights regarding life, liberty and property, which was amended to include the right stating:

  • Congress shall make no law... prohibiting the free exercise [of religion]...
I'd certainly think "life" involves procreation, though we can't force others to create. Just as we can't do that, how can they force us to prevent creation in any way that violates ones religion?

...the obligations that citizens have ...they have no constitutional right to foist that belief on the hundreds and hundreds of women who work for them

Ginsburg seems to skip past what determines the level of authority a law or a governing body may have in this nation to add to our "obligation" to others. All to force the "obligation" on others to furnish abortion pills for women employees. That's as bad as telling a person he can't grow corn on his own property to feed his livestock.
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Katherine Sebelius, Mar 23rd, 2010

SEBELIUS: We will now have affordable coverage for everyone.

In 2014, when the new exchanges -- the new insurance market gets set up, not only will people have choices among private plans with competing companies, but the lowest income working families will have some help paying for their health insurance. So people who have insurance right now will see some gradual decrease in their premium costs, according to the Congressional Budget Office, because insurance companies are going to have to cut out a lot of the overhead, be more efficient."


THERE YOU GO.

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http://dailycaller.com/2014/08/07/time-to-ditch-the-obamacare-tanning-tax/?advD=1248,153371

Time To Ditch The Obamacare Tanning Tax

Americans have now had ample time to become acquainted with Obamacare’s numerous destructive provisions. Some of its failures, like the expensive and inoperable exchange websites, have been quite public. Others have gone largely unnoticed. One such example is the hefty 10 percent tax on indoor tanning sessions, which has proven over four years to be a decisive policy failure.

One of over a dozen new taxes and tax hikes included to pay for the bloated health care law, the tanning tax has failed to produce anything near its projected revenues. Collected receipts are less than half of the $200 million projected to be raised annually by this stage, and are unlikely to rise to the eventual $300 million peak foreseen by government bean counters. This shouldn’t come as much surprise given the simple economic truth that when you tax something, there will be less of it.

In that sense the tax has produced exactly what government accountants should have expected – fewer tanning salons. An estimated 8,000 professional tanning businesses have closed shop since the tax was implemented, costing approximately 64,000 workers their jobs. That’s a tough pill to swallow in a weak job market.

And in a twist of political irony for a White House that has capitalized heavily on rhetoric bemoaning a so-called war on women, pain from the tanning tax has not been gender neutral. A full 70 percent of professional tanning businesses are owned by women, so it is women who have suffered the heaviest economic consequences of the tax....

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0bama isn't going to let congress get rid of his tanning honkey tax.
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I had never thought about whether or not AA's work on tans. I know many AA women that lay out in the sun, but I suppose that is not necessarily to tan.
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