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| Baldo | Jul 7 2014, 04:35 PM Post #751 |
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A re-write basically Californians Have Insurance but Few Providers Under ObamaCare Last year millions of Americans discovered the hollowness of President Barack Obama’s pledge that under ObamaCare they could keep their health insurance if they liked it. Now, having obtained insurance on ObamaCare exchanges, many are also discovering that, contra Obama, they can’t keep their doctors — or their own hard-earned money — either. It has long been known that insurers were cobbling together narrow networks of providers whose services they would reimburse under exchange coverage; The New American and many other outlets reported this in late 2013. At that time, however, information on just how narrow the networks would be was still somewhat sketchy. In many states, hardly anyone — healthcare providers included — knew for sure just which doctors and hospitals would be covered by the various exchange plans. Today, according to the Los Angeles Times, consumers are learning the hard way that the providers they desire simply aren’t in their health plans’ networks — and the insurance companies, not the law that created the problem, are taking the blame. Simply put, people who bought coverage on California’s exchange, known as Covered California, were often unable to determine which providers would be covered by their insurance before they purchased it — the exchange had promised an online provider directory for open enrollment, but it never produced an accurate one — and even now are plagued by contradictory provider information from insurers....snipped http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/18600-californians-have-insurance-but-few-providers-under-obamacare |
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| kbp | Jul 8 2014, 09:26 AM Post #752 |
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I can't prove Obamacare caused her death, but it is obvious Obamacare did not save her. |
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| kbp | Jul 8 2014, 09:48 AM Post #753 |
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This is the most misleading BS article I have ever read on the Halbig case... the evil conservative's doom and gloom at its best!
...and they just keep piling it on after that! |
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| kbp | Jul 8 2014, 12:34 PM Post #754 |
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I'm guessing we're witnessing the pre-emptive strike to an anticipated loss for the left in Halbig.
This one is wrong in so many ways one needs to pick it apart. Since the ruling is due within days, I think I'll wait for it instead of using so much time up ....but it's tempting! |
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| kbp | Jul 9 2014, 09:50 AM Post #755 |
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Brought to you from a gay progressive, which ignores the possibility of the shoe being on the other foot, so to speak. I get lost trying to figure out how the left not only selects only portions of an Amendment granting rights, but they also ignore many other Amendments. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/08/the-supreme-court-turns-the-first-amendment-into-a-weapon-for-corporations.html The Supreme Court Turns the First Amendment Into a Weapon for Corporations You still think the First Amendment exists to protect individual speech? Quaint. In the Roberts era, it exists to expand corporate power.
Originally—and up until fairly recently—the First Amendment was understood to be a shield protecting individual liberty. But the Roberts Court seems increasingly intent on turning the First Amendment into a weapon against the American people, not to mention basic fairness and common sense. [Basically there are two forms on businesses: 1. Individuals and 2. Corporation. A corporation an effort by a group of "people peaceably to assemble" and I'd hope each individual, even if they do assemble, hold the right to select their religion and speak openly. Is it un-Constitutional for them to profit from that assembly?] Upon the convening of the 1787 Federal Convention, James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, wrote that there was no greater challenge facing the new nation than “the aggressions of interested majorities on the rights of minorities and individuals.” The Bill of Rights, and especially the First Amendment, were intended to protect the powerless from the tyranny of the powerful. [Are we working up to explaining how assembly is only for those who are the "powerless," in comparison to the "powerful" others?] Historically, we tend to think of the First Amendment as safeguarding individual liberty from any constraint or imposition by government. But notably, corporations aren’t ascribed a specific side in that equation. Yet it’s no mystery what the architects of the Constitution thought of big business and where they would have placed it had they had the foresight. Madison himself once wrote: “Besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government, there is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by ecclesiastical corporations.” Scholars interpret Madison as warning about the risk of the Anglican Church amassing significant wealth (which was held in corporate entities) and then influencing politics through that wealth instead of its ideas. Thomas Jefferson was less circumspect: “I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.” The Founding Fathers were very clearly not only concerned with the potential tyranny of government but also the dangers of tyrannical corporations and religions. After all, consider the context in which they were operating—as a new nation that had broken free from a regime simultaneously defined by an all-powerful government (the King of England), an all-powerful religion (the Anglican Church of England), and an all-powerful corporation (the East India Company). All three loomed large, and all were entangled as the United States was being created. The answer was to ensure that individual liberty was not trumped by religion or government or corporations. [Okay... so we have laws restricting such monopolies now, should we mark a line limiting how much property an individual, "religion or government or corporations" may hold, maybe just strike any law preventing takings?] All of which means that were they alive today, our Founding Fathers would likely be foraging for whatever craft supplies they could find at a Hobby Lobby store to fashion a giant, flashing “S.O.S.” In its Hobby Lobby ruling, the Supreme Court has extended the fiction of “corporate personhood” to include “corporate religion” so that corporations can use their alleged “religious beliefs” to circumvent laws and constrain the rights and freedoms of their employees. In this case, it’s to deny female employees’ access to contraceptive drugs that some Christians argue are “abortifacients,” even though the FDA and every major medical study factually concludes otherwise. [The last part is simply inaccurate! There's a difference between preventing the sperm and egg from meeting and destroying what we have AFTER they meet. As for the Founding Fathers, is assembly only selectively okay?] But as Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg notes in her scathing dissent, the ruling could extend to employers who religiously object to: “blood transfusions (Jehovah’s Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus); and vaccinations (Christian Scientists, among others).” For that matter, Ginsburg continues, the logic behind the ruling could ultimately allow corporations of any kind to “opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs.” In fact, days after the Hobby Lobby ruling, faith groups tried to argue for special exemptions from an executive order the White House has announced will ban sexual-orientation and gender-identity discrimination for federal contractors. Suddenly, the First Amendment is transformed into a weapon, a cudgel if you will, for corporations to collude (genuinely or otherwise) with religion not only to circumvent government but to infringe on individual liberty. Today, it’s just women’s liberty being curtailed. Tomorrow, who knows? The weaponization of the First Amendment in the Hobby Lobby ruling extends a dangerous trend under the Roberts Court. Consider Citizens United and McCutcheon, both of which took the notion of “corporate personhood” to extremes that not only stretched the boundaries of common sense but also the clear intent of our Founding Fathers. Those rulings literally contorted a piece of our Constitution meant to preserve individual liberty in our democracy and used it to instead utterly undermine, if not destroy, the role of individuals in our political process. In an essay for the journal Democracy about the encroaching dangers of the Roberts Court’s pro-corporate constitutional interpretation, Duke Professor of Law Jedediah Purdy writes, “The Court has made the First Amendment a new anti-regulatory hammer.” Purdy points to an obscure but no less worrisome ruling in Sorrell v. IMS. Pharmacies and medical data companies service drug marketers by selling them the records of doctors’ prescriptions, which marketers can then use to target their sales strategies. Vermont barred the practice of selling or giving away that prescription information without the doctors’ permission. But in 2011, the Roberts Court ruled that the Vermont law was unconstitutional because advertising is speech and the law burdened that “speech.” Privacy and individual liberty be damned. [Third party data that does not identify individuals, and we already have laws that limit such to protect privacy.] Even the recent ruling in Harris v. Quinn, about the home health-care workers in Illinois who didn’t want to pay union dues, starts to chip away at an interpretation of the First Amendment that protects freedom of association of workers in the face of corporate tyranny and instead turns the First Amendment on the workers, using it to slowly but surely dismantle the right to form a union. Moreover, embedded in the Harris decision is the insidious notion that money doesn’t just equal speech but that being compelled to pay money (here in the form of union dues) is the same as compelled speech. [Here the shoe is on the other foot and she steps on it. Selective application of the rights.] Where’s the limit on that logic? If paying your taxes is compelled speech in support of the government, can the First Amendment be used to eviscerate taxes? And why just money? Arguably under that logic, any action could be construed as “speech.” And once you go there, pretty much any government requirement to do anything could be construed as unconstitutional under this twisted but very plausible weaponized First Amendment. Make no mistake about it, this entirely plausible scenario is a libertarian paradise, exactly the sort of unconstrained freedom that big business craves. Which is precisely what our Founders were trying to protect against. [She seems to be speaking of a weapon she used rather freely here.] I've wasted many hours before trying to understand the arguments people like her make, certainly with no luck. It's easier to debate if you understand both sides of an argument, but I'm left short here. I always come back to the same problem I can't get past to understand it... how do they not give corporations the same rights? Is there an unwritten limit on the number that may assemble or how they assemble? Can they freely search corporate property, take it or house the military in it? Could they impose extreme fines on or deny a corporation a jury in a civil trial? Are corporations allowed to have slaves or do any laws apply to corporations? How can they tax a corporation if the Amendments do not apply to them? Even if you ignore #'s 2 thru 27, #1 specifically prevents a law "prohibiting the free exercise" of religion. What gives them any exception to that? Edited by kbp, Jul 9 2014, 09:53 AM.
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| kbp | Jul 9 2014, 11:00 AM Post #756 |
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http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2014/July/09/anthem-lawsuit-over-enrollment-practices.aspx Lawsuit Accuses Anthem Blue Cross Of 'Fraudulent' Enrollment Practices California insurance giant Anthem Blue Cross misled “millions of enrollees” about whether their doctors and hospitals were participating in its new plans, and failed to disclose that many policies wouldn’t cover care outside its approved network, according to a class action lawsuit filed Tuesday. As a result, many consumers have been left on the hook for thousands of dollars in medical bills, and have been unable to see their longtime doctors, alleges the suit by Consumer Watchdog based in Santa Monica. Anthem spokesman Darrel Ng declined to comment directly on the lawsuit. He said Anthem has agreed to pay the claims of those who received treatment from inaccurately listed doctors during the first three months of the year. However, that policy would not be extended for enrollees who discovered after March 31 that their doctors had been incorrectly listed, he said. The suit says that Anthem, the state’s largest individual health insurer, delayed providing full information to consumers until it was too late for them to change coverage. Anthem also failed to disclose it had stopped offering any plans with out-of-network coverage in four of the state's biggest counties -- Los Angeles, Orange, San Francisco and San Diego, the suit says. Anthem “intentionally misrepresented and concealed the limitations of their plans because it wanted a big market share,” said Jerry Flanagan of the consumer advocacy group. Co-counsel on the case is the Claremont law firm Shernoff Bidart Echeverria Bentley, which specializes in suing health insurers. [...] |
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| kbp | Jul 9 2014, 01:04 PM Post #757 |
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I suspect this is a vote to expose the War on Women stand of candidates. |
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| kbp | Jul 11 2014, 10:44 AM Post #758 |
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I'm not sure what he means by "a state triggers it." Did the states ASK for it or did the fed do it because the states simply said they would not? At least this liberal is honest! The entire article is not too long, well worth reading. |
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| kbp | Jul 11 2014, 11:00 AM Post #759 |
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Cute tweet... CEI @ceidotorg "We have to pass the law to find out what's in it." They passed it. We found out. So we've sued. Here’s why: http://buff.ly/1nc3g36 |
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| kbp | Jul 11 2014, 02:00 PM Post #760 |
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[If he doesn't challenge EO's, then he should have said change or override instead of "make."] Anyway, I guess the Employer Mandate is a start, though it is somewhat ironic in how the argument is to follow a law we want to repeal. While they're working on this problem....
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| kbp | Jul 11 2014, 03:03 PM Post #761 |
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success = 'it could have been worse' The numbers look to be coming in much better than I thought they would, but we're yet to get any firm numbers. . Edited by kbp, Jul 11 2014, 03:05 PM.
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| kbp | Jul 11 2014, 03:15 PM Post #762 |
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Recall whether or not there would be more uninsured centered around the reports that 6 million Individual Policies were being cancelled. Then I realized that Obamacare was pushing that market into the Exchange and Barry rewrote the law to extend the date... These numbers seem high if many Individuals in the cancelled plans went to the Exchange. |
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| LTC8K6 | Jul 11 2014, 11:42 PM Post #763 |
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Assistant to The Devil Himself
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Who did they count as "uninsured" though? We saw before that it didn't necessarily mean what most people would think it meant. |
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| kbp | Jul 12 2014, 08:32 AM Post #764 |
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Just using rough numbers, the CBO basically had the uninsured count at 55 million. Below is the page 1 footnote on that count from the May 2013 report, the 2nd link in my signature. d. The count of uninsured people includes unauthorized immigrants as well as people who are eligible for but not enrolled in Medicaid The surveys probably do not include illegals, though we're finding out Obamacare does. There's 18.75% difference between the first couple surveys I cited, so you know the numbers are real fuzzy before you even start trying to figure out how they qualified participants in the surveys. |
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| kbp | Jul 12 2014, 09:07 AM Post #765 |
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'We'll have to pay for it before we know what it costs.' Pelosi (revised!) http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/11/great-unknown-obamacare-cost-unclear-amid-changes-to-law/ The Great Unknown: ObamaCare cost unclear amid changes to the law President Obama’s health care law has been delayed and changed so many times that the official budget scorekeepers can no longer keep track of what the law costs. The changes, and the overall uncertainty regarding the price tag, are raising concerns about whether the law even has enough revenue coming in to pay for the program. “Right now the savings that was projected to pay for all this spending is not being collected as originally projected," said Charles Blahous, of the Mercatus Center. He estimated the law will eventually cost $200 billion a year by 2020. The unilateral changes to the law – and specifically delays of the requirement that certain employers provide health coverage to workers – are the subject of a recently announced lawsuit by House Speaker John Boehner. But apart from that, the changes have caused problems for the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which typically keeps track of what laws cost. Joe Antos, of the American Enterprise Institute, noted the office has said they won’t do “new estimates” of the law anymore. "Their ability to say this was a benefit to the federal budget is going to become more and more dubious as the years pass,” said Jim Capretta, of the Ethics and Public Policy Center. In the case of the employer mandate, the provision was delayed from 2014 until 2016 for employers with fewer than 100 workers. For larger companies, it was delayed by one year, and they were allowed to only have to cover 70 percent of their workers. Further, individuals were given until April 15 to enroll in a health plan through the ObamaCare exchanges, and many will likely be able to skirt the law’s prescribed fine for going three months without insurance. Antos said he thinks it would be "politically impossible for the IRS to come after those same people -- millions of people -- and say you owe us money because you didn't sign up in time to have insurance.” The cost of just those two changes will likely cut into revenue. "There was about $100 billion that was supposed to come in over the next 10 years from penalties on individuals, if they did not carry health insurance, penalties on employers, if they do not offer health insurance, and to date, those penalties have not been enforced,” Blahous said. The law also counted on more than $700 billion in cuts to Medicare, including up to $150 billion in cuts to Medicare Advantage, but the president set those aside at the behest of Senate Democrats who feared angering seniors in an election year. Capretta said it is "very dubious that some of these Medicare cuts can be sustained over a long period of time." He also noted that even more Medicare cuts are planned but wonders if the impact will cause some of them to be pulled back as well. "In fact, the actuaries who look at the numbers for the Medicare program have said that this cut is so deep that about 15 percent of the hospitals will drop out of the Medicare program by the end of the decade," he said. With 10,000 baby boomers retiring every day for the next 20 years or so, that might be politically impossible to sustain. And a 40 percent tax on expensive health plans, like those unions enjoy, is set to take effect in 2018, and would raise another $80 billion or so -- if it survives. It is vehemently opposed by unions, and employers are steadily adjusting their health plans to avoid the tax, suggesting the $80 billion may never materialize. Bob Rusbuldt, president of the Independent Insurance Agents and Brokers of America, said, "No company is going to pay a 40 percent excise tax on that excess premium. They are just not going to do it." So the question becomes, what happens when projected cuts to pay for the law don’t materialize? "If one tax is eliminated … what takes its place?” Rusbuldt asked. “You either have to reduce benefits and services and administrative costs, or you have to put in a different tax." Edited by kbp, Jul 12 2014, 09:07 AM.
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