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A re-write basically

Californians Have Insurance but Few Providers Under ObamaCare

Last year millions of Americans discovered the hollowness of President Barack Obama’s pledge that under ObamaCare they could keep their health insurance if they liked it. Now, having obtained insurance on ObamaCare exchanges, many are also discovering that, contra Obama, they can’t keep their doctors — or their own hard-earned money — either.

It has long been known that insurers were cobbling together narrow networks of providers whose services they would reimburse under exchange coverage; The New American and many other outlets reported this in late 2013. At that time, however, information on just how narrow the networks would be was still somewhat sketchy. In many states, hardly anyone — healthcare providers included — knew for sure just which doctors and hospitals would be covered by the various exchange plans.

Today, according to the Los Angeles Times, consumers are learning the hard way that the providers they desire simply aren’t in their health plans’ networks — and the insurance companies, not the law that created the problem, are taking the blame.

Simply put, people who bought coverage on California’s exchange, known as Covered California, were often unable to determine which providers would be covered by their insurance before they purchased it — the exchange had promised an online provider directory for open enrollment, but it never produced an accurate one — and even now are plagued by contradictory provider information from insurers....snipped

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-care/item/18600-californians-have-insurance-but-few-providers-under-obamacare
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/08/thousands-still-reportedly-face-coverage-delays-months-after-obamacare/

Thousands still reportedly face coverage delays months after ObamaCare enrollment deadline

Months after the deadline to enroll in a health insurance plan through ObamaCare has come and gone, thousands of Americans have found themselves without coverage due to backlogs or glitches in various enrollment systems, according to a published report.

The Wall Street Journal reports that people in states like Massachusetts, California, and Nevada selected and paid for a private health insurance plan through state-run exchanges, only to find that they were not insured. Others have waited futilely for changes to their coverage brought about by marriage, childbirth or other "life events" to take effect.

As a result, some say they have put off seeking medical treatment or have paid out of pocket for certain expenses.

In Nevada, approximately 150 people have turned to litigation, filing a class-action suit against the state-run exchange and Xerox Corp., which helped set it up.

One of those plaintiffs, Robert Rolain, tells the Journal that he signed up his wife, Linda, this past October for a health plan through the state exchange that was due to take effect March 1. In the interim period, doctors found a tumor on his wife's brain and planned surgery. When Rolain brought his wife to an oncologist to have the procedure done, he was told she wasn't covered, and the surgery was pushed back two months, to May 14. A little more than a month later, Linda Rolain was dead
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I can't prove Obamacare caused her death, but it is obvious Obamacare did not save her.

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This is the most misleading BS article I have ever read on the Halbig case... the evil conservative's doom and gloom at its best!

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http://www.newsweek.com/decision-case-could-destroy-obamacare-expected-imminentl-257561

Decision Imminent in Case Challenging Obamacare Subsidies

In what could be another blow to the Affordable Care Act following the Hobby Lobby ruling last week, a little-known court case threatens to further unravel President Barack Obama’s health care reform law. A federal appeals court for the D.C. Circuit will soon rule on Halbig v. Sebelius, a case that seeks to block Obamacare subsidies already obtained by more than 5 million people in order to afford the insurance plans they got through Healthcare.gov. A decision could be made in the case by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit as early as Tuesday, CNBC reports.

The heart of the problem lies in the legality of the subsidies. Several catastrophic attempts at state exchanges (like Nevada’s)—as well as the failure by some states to even set up their own exchanges—meant the federal government had to step in and take over. The plaintiffs argue that the tax credits were legal only for people who bought insurance through state-based exchanges, not the federal exchange. Considering that nearly 90 percent of the federal exchange’s insurance enrollees were eligible for subsidies because of low or moderate incomes, there is the potential for an enormous setback that could send millions back into the ranks of the uninsured. Without those subsidies, health insurance plans under the Affordable Care Act could very well become unaffordable.

Other potential consequences include the “death spiral,” where premium rates threaten to skyrocket because of a dearth of young, healthy enrollees and too many sick ones, and the possibility that businesses in some affected states won’t be required to provide coverage for their employees.

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...and they just keep piling it on after that!
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I'm guessing we're witnessing the pre-emptive strike to an anticipated loss for the left in Halbig.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/will-the-supreme-court-get-another-shot-at-obamacare/

Will the Supreme Court get another shot at Obamacare?
By Stephanie Condon/July 8, 2014


The Supreme Court last week chipped away at one part of the Affordable Care Act, but its ruling in the Hobby Lobby contraception case left most of Obamacare intact. Other court cases, however, are making their way through the court system in an attempt to deliver a more fatal blow to the controversial law.

As early as this week, a three-judge panel from the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals is expected to hand down a ruling on whether the federal government can give subsidies to Obamacare recipients in states with federally-run health care exchanges. If the appeals court rules in favor of the law's opponents, it could cripple the law. More than half of the states rely on federally-run marketplaces, and were subsidies not available in those states, Obamacare could be too costly for many customers.

The case, Halbig v. Burwell, rests on how the court system interprets a poorly-worded sentence in the Affordable Care Act.

Section 1311 of the law says the federal government will give subsidies to eligible consumers who buy insurance from an exchange "established by the State." The Halbig suit -- and three other similar cases -- argue that, consequently, subsidies aren't available to customers in the 34 Obamacare exchanges that were established by the federal government. (Here's a list of which states have state-run exchanges and which have federally-run exchanges: http://kff.org/health-reform/state-indicator/health-insurance-exchanges/ )

Michael Cannon of the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, and Jonathan Adler of Case Western Reserve University School of Law first made the case against the subsidies, arguing that Congress wanted the subsidies to serve as a reward for states that established their own exchanges. Obamacare's "congressional sponsors created incentives for states to implement much of the law and reasonably expected that states would do so," they wrote.

However, there's no need to guess congressional intent given the law was passed by Congress four years ago. In fact, seven high-ranking Democrats who helped craft Obamacare, as well as dozens of state lawmakers, filed a brief in the case to explain the true intent of the law.

"The purpose of the tax credit provision was to facilitate access to affordable insurance through the Exchanges--not, as Appellants would have it, to incentivize the establishment of state Exchanges above all else, and certainly not to thwart Congress's fundamental purpose of making insurance affordable for all Americans," they wrote.

Nicholas Bagley, an expert in health law at the University of Michigan Law School, told CBS News that the "the challenger's argument about legislative intent is pretty adventurous."

The argument, he said, attempts to "exploit poorly-drafted statutory language and transform that into a radical re-conceptualization of what the Affordable Care Act was meant to do."

Steven Schwinn, a professor at the John Marshall Law School in Chicago, agreed that the legal basis for the challenge focuses intently on one poorly-drafted phrase.

"So much of the language of the act makes clear the congressional intent was to extend subsidies to federal exchanges," he said. "When you look beyond one sentence... I think the picture is quite clear what's going on in the Affordable Care Act."

Still, during the oral arguments in March, at least one of the three judges from the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals panel was skeptical of the administration's arguments in the case.

Should the Obama administration lose, it would very likely request an en banc hearing, Bagley explained, which would require all 11 active judges on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals to reconsider the case. Given that most of the judges were appointed by Democrats, the administration would have a better chance of winning that round. Yet if the government lost again, it would likely ask the Supreme Court to review the case.

"If the government asks the Supreme Court to review the case, it would be very likely to accept review, especially on an issue of this importance," Bagley said.

Meanwhile, the Obama administration is fending off a challenge to the Affordable Care Act on another front in Wisconsin. On Monday, a federal judge considered whether Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., should be allowed to proceed with his lawsuit against the ACA. Specifically, the lawsuit challenges the federal subsidies for lawmakers and congressional staffers who purchase health insurance through Obamacare exchanges.

The controversy stems from a provision in the law requiring congressmen and their staff to get their insurance from the state-based health care exchanges -- in order to ensure members of Congress weren't receiving special treatment. However, that meant that members of Congress and their staff were the only people in America directly cut off from their employer-provided health insurance subsidies because of Obamacare (whether or not other Americans have been off as an indirect result of the law is a different story). This was particularly troublesome for low-paid staffers.

To work around this problem, the administration crafted a compromise rule, allowing congressional employees getting insurance through the exchanges to still get employer contributions to their premiums.

"It's Congress' role to actually make or change or repeal laws," Johnson said outside of the courthouse on Monday. "They can't do it through presidential fiat."

Before Johnson can proceed with the case, a federal judge needs to determine whether or not the senator has standing -- in other words, whether he has a personal stake in the outcome of the lawsuit or has been personally harmed by the president's actions. Johnson argues he has standing because he and other lawmakers were "asked to be complicit in something we do not believe to be lawful." Additionally, he said that providing his staff with subsidies could harm his reputation with his constituents.

Schwinn called the argument "bizarre," given that the Obama administration in this case is actually trying to help, rather than harm, Johnson's staff. He added, "It doesn't even really help them," but rather "puts them in the position they were in prior to the Affordable Care Act."

"It's a very bizarre theory to get into federal court, and in my view underscores the political nature of this challenge and so many challenges to Obamacare," Schwinn said.

After Monday's hearing on the standing issue, Johnson said he was encouraged that U.S. District Judge William Griesbach even entertained his arguments, the Green Bay Press-Gazette reported. The judge said he would issue a ruling on the matter of Johnson's standing in "short order."

This one is wrong in so many ways one needs to pick it apart. Since the ruling is due within days, I think I'll wait for it instead of using so much time up ....but it's tempting!


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Brought to you from a gay progressive, which ignores the possibility of the shoe being on the other foot, so to speak. I get lost trying to figure out how the left not only selects only portions of an Amendment granting rights, but they also ignore many other Amendments.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/08/the-supreme-court-turns-the-first-amendment-into-a-weapon-for-corporations.html

The Supreme Court Turns the First Amendment Into a Weapon for Corporations

You still think the First Amendment exists to protect individual speech? Quaint. In the Roberts era, it exists to expand corporate power.

  • Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
    — The First Amendment
In recent years, the Supreme Court under Chief Justice John Roberts has deliberately and dramatically expanded the power of corporations. But even more alarming is how the Roberts Court has advanced this agenda—by contorting and perverting the First Amendment. Under this Court, free speech has been equated with spending, advertising, and even data grabs for marketing purposes, expansive liberties that apply not only to human beings but to corporations, because the Court says they’re people, too.

Originally—and up until fairly recently—the First Amendment was understood to be a shield protecting individual liberty. But the Roberts Court seems increasingly intent on turning the First Amendment into a weapon against the American people, not to mention basic fairness and common sense.
[Basically there are two forms on businesses: 1. Individuals and 2. Corporation. A corporation an effort by a group of "people peaceably to assemble" and I'd hope each individual, even if they do assemble, hold the right to select their religion and speak openly. Is it un-Constitutional for them to profit from that assembly?]

Upon the convening of the 1787 Federal Convention, James Madison, author of the Bill of Rights, wrote that there was no greater challenge facing the new nation than “the aggressions of interested majorities on the rights of minorities and individuals.” The Bill of Rights, and especially the First Amendment, were intended to protect the powerless from the tyranny of the powerful.
[Are we working up to explaining how assembly is only for those who are the "powerless," in comparison to the "powerful" others?]

Historically, we tend to think of the First Amendment as safeguarding individual liberty from any constraint or imposition by government. But notably, corporations aren’t ascribed a specific side in that equation. Yet it’s no mystery what the architects of the Constitution thought of big business and where they would have placed it had they had the foresight. Madison himself once wrote:

“Besides the danger of a direct mixture of religion and civil government, there is an evil which ought to be guarded against in the indefinite accumulation of property from the capacity of holding it in perpetuity by ecclesiastical corporations.”

Scholars interpret Madison as warning about the risk of the Anglican Church amassing significant wealth (which was held in corporate entities) and then influencing politics through that wealth instead of its ideas.

Thomas Jefferson was less circumspect: “I hope we shall crush… in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country.”

The Founding Fathers were very clearly not only concerned with the potential tyranny of government but also the dangers of tyrannical corporations and religions. After all, consider the context in which they were operating—as a new nation that had broken free from a regime simultaneously defined by an all-powerful government (the King of England), an all-powerful religion (the Anglican Church of England), and an all-powerful corporation (the East India Company). All three loomed large, and all were entangled as the United States was being created. The answer was to ensure that individual liberty was not trumped by religion or government or corporations.
[Okay... so we have laws restricting such monopolies now, should we mark a line limiting how much property an individual, "religion or government or corporations" may hold, maybe just strike any law preventing takings?]

All of which means that were they alive today, our Founding Fathers would likely be foraging for whatever craft supplies they could find at a Hobby Lobby store to fashion a giant, flashing “S.O.S.” In its Hobby Lobby ruling, the Supreme Court has extended the fiction of “corporate personhood” to include “corporate religion” so that corporations can use their alleged “religious beliefs” to circumvent laws and constrain the rights and freedoms of their employees. In this case, it’s to deny female employees’ access to contraceptive drugs that some Christians argue are “abortifacients,” even though the FDA and every major medical study factually concludes otherwise.
[The last part is simply inaccurate! There's a difference between preventing the sperm and egg from meeting and destroying what we have AFTER they meet. As for the Founding Fathers, is assembly only selectively okay?]

But as Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg notes in her scathing dissent, the ruling could extend to employers who religiously object to: “blood transfusions (Jehovah’s Witnesses); antidepressants (Scientologists); medications derived from pigs, including anesthesia, intravenous fluids, and pills coated with gelatin (certain Muslims, Jews, and Hindus); and vaccinations (Christian Scientists, among others).”

For that matter, Ginsburg continues, the logic behind the ruling could ultimately allow corporations of any kind to “opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs.” In fact, days after the Hobby Lobby ruling, faith groups tried to argue for special exemptions from an executive order the White House has announced will ban sexual-orientation and gender-identity discrimination for federal contractors.

Suddenly, the First Amendment is transformed into a weapon, a cudgel if you will, for corporations to collude (genuinely or otherwise) with religion not only to circumvent government but to infringe on individual liberty. Today, it’s just women’s liberty being curtailed. Tomorrow, who knows?

The weaponization of the First Amendment in the Hobby Lobby ruling extends a dangerous trend under the Roberts Court. Consider Citizens United and McCutcheon, both of which took the notion of “corporate personhood” to extremes that not only stretched the boundaries of common sense but also the clear intent of our Founding Fathers. Those rulings literally contorted a piece of our Constitution meant to preserve individual liberty in our democracy and used it to instead utterly undermine, if not destroy, the role of individuals in our political process.

In an essay for the journal Democracy about the encroaching dangers of the Roberts Court’s pro-corporate constitutional interpretation, Duke Professor of Law Jedediah Purdy writes, “The Court has made the First Amendment a new anti-regulatory hammer.” Purdy points to an obscure but no less worrisome ruling in Sorrell v. IMS. Pharmacies and medical data companies service drug marketers by selling them the records of doctors’ prescriptions, which marketers can then use to target their sales strategies. Vermont barred the practice of selling or giving away that prescription information without the doctors’ permission. But in 2011, the Roberts Court ruled that the Vermont law was unconstitutional because advertising is speech and the law burdened that “speech.” Privacy and individual liberty be damned.
[Third party data that does not identify individuals, and we already have laws that limit such to protect privacy.]

Even the recent ruling in Harris v. Quinn, about the home health-care workers in Illinois who didn’t want to pay union dues, starts to chip away at an interpretation of the First Amendment that protects freedom of association of workers in the face of corporate tyranny and instead turns the First Amendment on the workers, using it to slowly but surely dismantle the right to form a union. Moreover, embedded in the Harris decision is the insidious notion that money doesn’t just equal speech but that being compelled to pay money (here in the form of union dues) is the same as compelled speech.
[Here the shoe is on the other foot and she steps on it. Selective application of the rights.]

Where’s the limit on that logic? If paying your taxes is compelled speech in support of the government, can the First Amendment be used to eviscerate taxes? And why just money? Arguably under that logic, any action could be construed as “speech.” And once you go there, pretty much any government requirement to do anything could be construed as unconstitutional under this twisted but very plausible weaponized First Amendment. Make no mistake about it, this entirely plausible scenario is a libertarian paradise, exactly the sort of unconstrained freedom that big business craves. Which is precisely what our Founders were trying to protect against.
[She seems to be speaking of a weapon she used rather freely here.]

I've wasted many hours before trying to understand the arguments people like her make, certainly with no luck. It's easier to debate if you understand both sides of an argument, but I'm left short here. I always come back to the same problem I can't get past to understand it... how do they not give corporations the same rights? Is there an unwritten limit on the number that may assemble or how they assemble?

Can they freely search corporate property, take it or house the military in it? Could they impose extreme fines on or deny a corporation a jury in a civil trial? Are corporations allowed to have slaves or do any laws apply to corporations? How can they tax a corporation if the Amendments do not apply to them?

Even if you ignore #'s 2 thru 27, #1 specifically prevents a law "prohibiting the free exercise" of religion. What gives them any exception to that?

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http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2014/July/09/anthem-lawsuit-over-enrollment-practices.aspx

Lawsuit Accuses Anthem Blue Cross Of 'Fraudulent' Enrollment Practices

California insurance giant Anthem Blue Cross misled “millions of enrollees” about whether their doctors and hospitals were participating in its new plans, and failed to disclose that many policies wouldn’t cover care outside its approved network, according to a class action lawsuit filed Tuesday.

As a result, many consumers have been left on the hook for thousands of dollars in medical bills, and have been unable to see their longtime doctors, alleges the suit by Consumer Watchdog based in Santa Monica.

Anthem spokesman Darrel Ng declined to comment directly on the lawsuit. He said Anthem has agreed to pay the claims of those who received treatment from inaccurately listed doctors during the first three months of the year.

However, that policy would not be extended for enrollees who discovered after March 31 that their doctors had been incorrectly listed, he said.

The suit says that Anthem, the state’s largest individual health insurer, delayed providing full information to consumers until it was too late for them to change coverage. Anthem also failed to disclose it had stopped offering any plans with out-of-network coverage in four of the state's biggest counties -- Los Angeles, Orange, San Francisco and San Diego, the suit says.

Anthem “intentionally misrepresented and concealed the limitations of their plans because it wanted a big market share,” said Jerry Flanagan of the consumer advocacy group. Co-counsel on the case is the Claremont law firm Shernoff Bidart Echeverria Bentley, which specializes in suing health insurers.
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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/211700-democrats-unveil-bill-to-reverse-hobby-lobby-ruling

Senate Democrats unveil legislation to reverse high court's Hobby Lobby ruling

Senate Democrats introduced legislation on Wednesday to effectively reverse the Supreme Court’s decision last week exempting some employers from having to provide insurance coverage for contraception.

The law would bar for-profit corporations from seeking exemptions from the Affordable Care Act’s mandate that their health plans cover contraception costs. Religious institutions would still be able to opt out.
“Our bill simply says that your boss cannot get between you and your own healthcare,” Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) told reporters. Murray is the bill’s chief sponsor.

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The measure would prevent for-profit corporations from seeking exemptions to any law based on the religious convictions of the employers, noted Marcia Greenberger, co-president of the National Women’s Law Center and a supporter.

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I suspect this is a vote to expose the War on Women stand of candidates.
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http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/07/09/Why-Obamacare-We-Know-It-May-Not-Survive

Why Obamacare As We Know It May Not Survive

...[Harvard legal scholar Laurence H.] Tribe, 72, a prominent proponent of the Affordable Care Act – who taught both Obama and Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts as constitutional law students at Harvard Law School years ago – warned of the ACA’s prospects for surviving intact during an exclusive, hour-long interview in New York with editors of The Fiscal Times. - See more at:

..."It looks like the panel is quite divided over what to do with what might [have been] an inadvertent error in the legislation or might have been quite deliberate,” Tribe said. “But it’s very specific that only people that go onto a state exchange are eligible for the subsidies. And if that becomes the ultimate holding of the U.S. Supreme Court, where this is likely to end up – that’s going to have massive practical implications for the administrability of Obamacare.”

..."I don't have a crystal ball, but I wouldn't bet the family farm on this coming out in a way that preserves Obamacare."

...“You could argue that as long as a state triggers it by asking the federal government to come in [and establish insurance exchanges] that it’s a state-established exchange, even though it’s a federally run exchange,” Tribe added. That might give some of the justices who aren’t strict constructionists some leeway in looking beyond the law’s specific language, he said.
I'm not sure what he means by "a state triggers it." Did the states ASK for it or did the fed do it because the states simply said they would not?

At least this liberal is honest! The entire article is not too long, well worth reading.
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Cute tweet...

CEI @ceidotorg
"We have to pass the law to find out what's in it." They passed it. We found out. So we've sued. Here’s why: http://buff.ly/1nc3g36
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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/11/us/politics/boehner-says-obama-lawsuit-will-focus-on-health-law.html
Suit Against Obama to Focus on Health Law, Boehner Says

Speaker John A. Boehner’s lawsuit against President Obama will focus on changes to the health care law that Mr. Boehner says should have been left to Congress, according to a statement issued Thursday by the speaker’s office.

By narrowly focusing the legal action on the Affordable Care Act, Mr. Boehner will sidestep the more politically problematic issue involving Mr. Obama’s executive action offering work permits for some illegal immigrants who were brought to the United States as children
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/07/10/boehner-will-sue-obama-over-obamacare-employer-mandate/?advD=1248,153371
Boehner Will Sue Obama Over Obamacare Employer Mandate
....“In 2013, the president changed the health care law without a vote of Congress, effectively creating his own law by literally waiving the employer mandate and the penalties for failing to comply with it,” Boehner said Thursday. “That’s not the way our system of government was designed to work. No president should have the power to make laws on his or her own.”
[If he doesn't challenge EO's, then he should have said change or override instead of "make."]

Anyway, I guess the Employer Mandate is a start, though it is somewhat ironic in how the argument is to follow a law we want to repeal. While they're working on this problem....
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http://www.cato.org/blog/delaying-employer-mandate-requires-delaying-all-obamacare?utm_content=buffer0cde5&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
Delaying the Employer Mandate Requires Delaying All of Obamacare
July 3, 2013


... the Obama administration has abused nearly every power it possesses–and asserted powers it clearly does not possess–to protect Obamacare. A partial list of abuses:

  • •Obamacare, which Congress passed and President Obama signed, literally and immediately forbade the administration to provide health insurance to members of Congress and their staffs through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program. That is, federal law required the Obama administration to throw nearly all members of Congress and congressional staff out of their health plans. But because that might lead Congress to reopen the statute, the Obama administration decided to keep providing that coverage to members and staff in violation of federal law, and has been doing so for three years.

  • •Shortly after its enactment, Obamacare began increasing health insurance premiums. To prevent a(n even greater) backlash, Obama’s HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius started waiving select mandates for select companies and unions. Congress gave her no authority to issue such waivers.

  • •When health insurers began to inform customers how much Obamacare was increasing their premiums, Sebelius threatened to use her powers under the law to bankrupt any insurer that conveyed an unapproved message about the law. All insurers quickly complied.

  • •As it became clear that dozens of states would refuse to implement Obamacare’s health insurance “exchanges,” the IRS announced it would implement the law’s tax credits, subsidies, and taxes in states with federal fallback exchanges – even though Obamacare clearly, repeatedly, consistently, and intentionally prohibits the IRS from doing so. The IRS has literally asserted the authority to tax, borrow, and spend more than $1 trillion contrary to the express will of Congress.

  • •Despite the Supreme Court’s ruling that the federal government cannot coerce states into implementing Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, the Obama administration continues to coerce states into implementing most of the expansion’s provisions. The Court’s opinion flatly contradicts the administration’s claim that the ruling applied only to one part of the expansion.

  • •When it became clear that Congress would not fund Obamacare’s implementation, Sebelius decided she would again substitute her judgment for Congress’s by using money Congress had dedicated to other purposes. She has since approached companies she regulates to shake them down, tacitly, for funds to implement the law.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2014/07/obamacare-lowers-uninsured-108789.html

The verdict is in: Obamacare lowers uninsured
[That was a given when you count Medicaid]

The evidence is piling up now: Obamacare really does seem to be helping the uninsured.

Survey after survey is showing that the number of uninsured people has been going down since the start of enrollment last fall. The numbers don’t all match, and health care experts say they’re not precise enough to give more than a general idea of the trend.

But by now, the trend is unmistakable: Millions of people who didn’t have health insurance before the Affordable Care Act have gained it since last fall. The law is not just covering people who already had health coverage, but adding new people to the ranks of the insured — which was the point of the law all along.

There’s still a lot of variation in the numbers, too much for health care experts to pin down an exact number with any confidence. But even health care analysts who think the law is a bad idea acknowledge that the evidence suggests the uninsured are being helped. Given the predictions of doom that accompanied the law’s passage and launch, that’s a sweet bit of vindication for the president and ACA supporters.

“It will be better when we’ve got a whole year behind us, so we can tell how much [in the surveys] was noise and how much was reality,” said Douglas Holtz-Eakin of the conservative American Action Forum, a frequent critic of the law. “Having said that, it sure looks like there are more people covered, and that’s a good thing.”

A survey by the Commonwealth Fund found that 9.5 million fewer adults are uninsured now than at the beginning of the Obamacare enrollment season. The Urban Institute’s Health Reform Monitoring Survey found a similar drop, with 8 million adults gaining coverage. And Gallup-Healthways survey reported that the uninsured rate has fallen to 13.4 percent of adults, the lowest level since it began tracking health coverage in 2008.

That was all on Thursday. In recent months, other surveys in the Gallup series have consistently found the same downward trend, and a RAND survey in April estimated that the law extended health coverage to 9.3 million Americans.

That’s not going to end the fights over the health care law — not even close. Republicans say the debate isn’t just about whether the law has helped uninsured people, but about all the side effects, like canceled health plans, higher premiums for some people with individual health insurance, reduced work hours for part-time employees, and the long-term costs to the nation.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who led the battle to defund the law last fall and could fight it again on the presidential campaign trail in 2016, insists the new surveys don’t change the debate at all — because the real issue, in his view, is still the disruption of the canceled plans and higher premiums.

“Four years ago, before the law was implemented, it was possible to have good-faith disagreements about whether the law would work,” Cruz told POLITICO on Thursday. “Today, seeing the utter disaster that has played out … to me, it is the essence of pragmatism to realize that the law isn’t working, and to repeal it and start over.”

And even though the law’s performance has stabilized since the clumsy rollout last fall, there are plenty of ways the side effects could still flare up again — through big premium increases for next year (they’ve been modest so far), another possible round of canceled plans and the potential for angry customers next year if they’ve received too much in subsidies and have to pay them back.

The Republican argument was never that a trillion or two dollars would never cover any more uninsured. It was that the cost of doing so in higher health care costs and premiums, cancelled policies, increased government control of health care, and a myriad other negatives—were not worth it,” said Republican pollster Whit Ayres.” That argument still holds.”

But the latest surveys have been a huge morale boost for the Obama administration and congressional Democrats, who now have armfuls of statistics to prove that the law is doing what it’s supposed to do: help the uninsured.
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success = 'it could have been worse'

The numbers look to be coming in much better than I thought they would, but we're yet to get any firm numbers.
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Commonwealth Fund found that 9.5 million fewer adults are uninsured now than at the beginning of the Obamacare enrollment season.

The Urban Institute’s Health Reform Monitoring Survey found a similar drop, with 8 million adults gaining coverage.

Gallup-Healthways survey reported that the uninsured rate has fallen to 13.4 percent of adults, the lowest level since it began tracking health coverage in 2008.

RAND survey in April estimated that the law extended health coverage to 9.3 million Americans.

Recall whether or not there would be more uninsured centered around the reports that 6 million Individual Policies were being cancelled. Then I realized that Obamacare was pushing that market into the Exchange and Barry rewrote the law to extend the date...

These numbers seem high if many Individuals in the cancelled plans went to the Exchange.
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Who did they count as "uninsured" though?

We saw before that it didn't necessarily mean what most people would think it meant.
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Just using rough numbers, the CBO basically had the uninsured count at 55 million. Below is the page 1 footnote on that count from the May 2013 report, the 2nd link in my signature.

d. The count of uninsured people includes unauthorized immigrants as well as people who are eligible for but not enrolled in Medicaid

The surveys probably do not include illegals, though we're finding out Obamacare does. There's 18.75% difference between the first couple surveys I cited, so you know the numbers are real fuzzy before you even start trying to figure out how they qualified participants in the surveys.

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'We'll have to pay for it before we know what it costs.'
Pelosi (revised!)


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/07/11/great-unknown-obamacare-cost-unclear-amid-changes-to-law/

The Great Unknown: ObamaCare cost unclear amid changes to the law

President Obama’s health care law has been delayed and changed so many times that the official budget scorekeepers can no longer keep track of what the law costs.

The changes, and the overall uncertainty regarding the price tag, are raising concerns about whether the law even has enough revenue coming in to pay for the program.

“Right now the savings that was projected to pay for all this spending is not being collected as originally projected," said Charles Blahous, of the Mercatus Center. He estimated the law will eventually cost $200 billion a year by 2020.

The unilateral changes to the law – and specifically delays of the requirement that certain employers provide health coverage to workers – are the subject of a recently announced lawsuit by House Speaker John Boehner.

But apart from that, the changes have caused problems for the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, which typically keeps track of what laws cost. Joe Antos, of the American Enterprise Institute, noted the office has said they won’t do “new estimates” of the law anymore.

"Their ability to say this was a benefit to the federal budget is going to become more and more dubious as the years pass,” said Jim Capretta, of the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

In the case of the employer mandate, the provision was delayed from 2014 until 2016 for employers with fewer than 100 workers. For larger companies, it was delayed by one year, and they were allowed to only have to cover 70 percent of their workers.

Further, individuals were given until April 15 to enroll in a health plan through the ObamaCare exchanges, and many will likely be able to skirt the law’s prescribed fine for going three months without insurance.

Antos said he thinks it would be "politically impossible for the IRS to come after those same people -- millions of people -- and say you owe us money because you didn't sign up in time to have insurance.”

The cost of just those two changes will likely cut into revenue.

"There was about $100 billion that was supposed to come in over the next 10 years from penalties on individuals, if they did not carry health insurance, penalties on employers, if they do not offer health insurance, and to date, those penalties have not been enforced,” Blahous said.

The law also counted on more than $700 billion in cuts to Medicare, including up to $150 billion in cuts to Medicare Advantage, but the president set those aside at the behest of Senate Democrats who feared angering seniors in an election year.

Capretta said it is "very dubious that some of these Medicare cuts can be sustained over a long period of time."

He also noted that even more Medicare cuts are planned but wonders if the impact will cause some of them to be pulled back as well.

"In fact, the actuaries who look at the numbers for the Medicare program have said that this cut is so deep that about 15 percent of the hospitals will drop out of the Medicare program by the end of the decade," he said.

With 10,000 baby boomers retiring every day for the next 20 years or so, that might be politically impossible to sustain.

And a 40 percent tax on expensive health plans, like those unions enjoy, is set to take effect in 2018, and would raise another $80 billion or so -- if it survives. It is vehemently opposed by unions, and employers are steadily adjusting their health plans to avoid the tax, suggesting the $80 billion may never materialize.

Bob Rusbuldt, president of the Independent Insurance Agents and Brokers of America, said, "No company is going to pay a 40 percent excise tax on that excess premium. They are just not going to do it."

So the question becomes, what happens when projected cuts to pay for the law don’t materialize?

"If one tax is eliminated … what takes its place?” Rusbuldt asked. “You either have to reduce benefits and services and administrative costs, or you have to put in a different tax."

Edited by kbp, Jul 12 2014, 09:07 AM.
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