| Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare | |
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| chatham | Mar 7 2014, 02:04 PM Post #46 |
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They know how many people signed up and how many of those are aging becasue they keep saying one the sign up period is over they will go over the metrics to see who actually signed up and who is paying and which incurance play they wanted. They know and are not telling. |
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| chatham | Mar 7 2014, 02:05 PM Post #47 |
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I have never seen ANY political party lie as much as the democrats have over the last 6 years. |
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| kbp | Mar 7 2014, 02:26 PM Post #48 |
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You'd think they'd have it, but the reporting has had the backend (payment) of the system not working as late as October this year, and that's the time span they'll admit. It's hard to tell what they've failed to get from their web site programs! |
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| kbp | Mar 7 2014, 02:37 PM Post #49 |
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The entire article is good to read, but I only want a small portion of it for this post...
...implementation problems...unpopular provisions..."doc fix" The House plans on attaching a 10 year delay for the Individual Mandate to the bill. Why 10 years I don't know, but with Barry's 2 year delay in place I'd tie the Individual Mandate start date to the Employer Mandate start date. Put it in Barry's hands just as the law has it. The Dem's will blame the Rep's, naturally, but it will be a bi-partisan vote with the election coming up and the real damage would be more doctors refusing the patients. I think they have a great opportunity here. It's due 3/31, when the last fix ends, and creates about a 25% decrease in what Medicare pays doctors. |
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| Baldo | Mar 7 2014, 02:48 PM Post #50 |
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I know where this is heading. After the demise numbers are finally released the Dems will say Health Insurance is so vitally important so they must have a national single payor plan that comes out of personal withholding Tax and corporation taxes. People are just too irresponsible to pay & shop for their insurance. The Govt has to do it. That is the next step. it will take a while, but that is where this is heading After-all SCOTUS Chief Justice Roberts already said it is a tax. |
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| kbp | Mar 7 2014, 03:01 PM Post #51 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE2EB4nCEvg Obama Won't Rule Out More Changes To ObamaCare (40 seconds) He ends speaking about looking at the pool of plan holders and making any necessary changes then (ignoring all the changes so far!). About the only cures for the pool would be higher penalty charges and/or more tax dollars for more subsidies. |
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| Baldo | Mar 7 2014, 03:22 PM Post #52 |
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Meanwhile Cryin Boehner just sits on his hands giving Obama more money to spend wherever he wants. We don't have a functioning govt |
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| Kerri P. | Mar 8 2014, 03:46 PM Post #53 |
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http://tinyurl.com/pmkzbyr McKinsey: Only 14% Of Obamacare Exchange Sign-Ups Are Previously Uninsured Enrollees The Obama administration has, for months now, been peddling nice-sounding numbers as to how many people are gaining health coverage due to Obamacare. But their numbers have been inflated on two fronts. First, not everyone who has “selected a marketplace plan” under Obamacare has actually paid the required premiums, payment being required to actually gain coverage. Second, only a fraction of people on the exchanges were previously uninsured. A new survey from McKinsey gives us a better view into the real numbers. Of the 3.3 million people that the White House has touted as Obamacare exchange “sign-ups,” less than 500,000 are actual uninsured people who have actually gained health coverage. snip...... Edited by Kerri P., Mar 8 2014, 03:48 PM.
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| kbp | Mar 9 2014, 10:12 AM Post #54 |
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22% no-pay (actually more) 75% not previously UNinsured are now paying higher premiums and (not in survey) less access to health care providers higher out-of-pocket expense 100% of US taxpayers are now paying higher taxes! It's amazing that some idiots came up with this plan AND are still trying to tell us how good it is for us! |
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| chatham | Mar 9 2014, 10:18 AM Post #55 |
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One really CAN fool some of the people ALL of the time.
Edited by chatham, Mar 9 2014, 10:19 AM.
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| chatham | Mar 9 2014, 10:20 AM Post #56 |
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The new American dream….. Hey Joe, whacha doin…. I'm dreaming about what the government is gonna give me today….. |
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| kbp | Mar 9 2014, 10:47 AM Post #57 |
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A little lengthy, but it covers good topics. WHAT CHANGE DO WE NOT SEE? While reading it keep in mind the Dem's are stuck on keeping the control of citizens provided by the Individual Mandate, which penalizes employees whose employer now does not have to furnish healthcare coverage...so we're left with the need to 'save the people' presently UNinsured because they do not have coverage for that new wannabe Constitutional Right AND the government charges them for that lack of such coverage...what a circle jerk! http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/slew-of-changes-to-health-care-law-creates-more-confusion-for-consumers/2014/03/08/b5c7e176-a621-11e3-a5fa-55f0c77bf39c_story.html Slew of changes to health-care law creates more confusion for consumers By Sandhya Somashekhar As the deadline approaches for most Americans to obtain health insurance, a flurry of changes by the Obama administration has led to a frenzied effort among employers, insurance companies, politicians and consumers to try and understand what they might mean. The latest batch of adjustments came Wednesday, when the administration disclosed that it was delaying, once again, the deadline for people with old private health plans to buy beefed-up versions required under the health-care law. The cancellations of the old plans have been politically damaging for Democrats and the White House, because President Obama had vowed that the law would not prevent people from keeping insurance plans that they liked. By allowing many people to keep their old plans for two years longer, the administration softened the blow for congressional Democrats up for reelection this fall. No longer do members have to fear a wave of cancellation letters right before the November midterm election. ['softened the blow'=slower death] But the changes have contributed to consumer confusion, as people try to sort through their options on the already hard-to-understand subject of health insurance, and race to meet a March 31 deadline to carry health coverage or face a fine. And the changes fuel suspicions that the law is deeply flawed, forcing the administration to try to patch it on the fly. [Congress gives Administration authority to write regulations in place, then politics dictate a delay v. repeal of those costly regulations, as they unlawfully implement the Obamacare program] Republicans immediately leapt on the Wednesday announcement as a recognition that the law, as written, is unworkable. “The administration has acted dozens of times over the last year to unilaterally delay or change the law because it was not ready for prime time,” House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-Mich.) said in a statement shortly after the change was announced. [That "not ready" indicates Fred Upton agrees health care is a federal issue to manage] Since April 2010, there have been about two dozen legislative or administrative actions changing the Affordable Care Act, according to media reports and the Congressional Research Service. The changes range from small clarifications to major shifts, like last year’s delay of a major provision that requires employers with at least 50 workers to offer health coverage to full-time employees. To add to the confusion, some modifications are changes to previous changes. For example, this is the second time that the administration has allowed some people to keep noncompliant plans longer than previously announced. Many experts had predicted that the law would need to be tweaked. It is typical that large, complex pieces of legislation are adjusted and clarified during the implementation phase, as policies move from paper to the real world. Usually, Congress makes such technical corrections. But, because the parties have been so polarized over the law, Congress has been unwilling to pass bills aimed at fixing the problems, with Republicans bent on repealing the law and Democrats fearful of reopening debate on such a divisive subject. As a result, the administration has made certain changes using the president’s executive authority.  “I broadly view the administrative delays as a pragmatic realization that it is actually harder to do some of these things in reality than we thought when we put it down on paper,” said Bob Kocher, a former Obama health-policy adviser. Some of the adjustments came as a result of the rocky rollout of HealthCare.gov, the main federal portal for people in three dozen states to buy subsidized health insurance. For example, in December, the administration announced that there would be a “special enrollment period” to give people who ran into technical glitches on the Web site more time to sign up for coverage. [signup later, pay later, we'll cover you yesterday!] Meanwhile, people appear to be as confused as ever about the law. In a February poll taken by the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, about half of uninsured people said they do not have enough information to understand how the law will affect their families. Some critics view the constant moving of the goal posts as a sign that the White House is not confident that consumers will ever warm to the health-care law. “It sure looks like we’re on a ramp to more changes, and those changes are occurring because people aren’t buying it — literally and figuratively,” said Robert Laszewski, an insurance industry consultant who has been an outspoken critic of the administration’s handling of the rollout. Many supporters acknowledge that the law is playing out differently than envisioned when it was enacted, but they contend that it remains on track to accomplish its goal of curbing the rise in health-care costs, improving the quality of care and making insurance affordable for virtually everyone. “It’s just that it is accomplishing it much more slowly and painfully than anyone ever imagined,” said Sara Rosenbaum, a health law professor at George Washington University and a supporter of the law. [What d*** numbers is she looking at to conclude such???? There are none that support that theory in any way. Did the WP add that BS for balance to fool the left?] |
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| kbp | Mar 9 2014, 10:56 AM Post #58 |
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...and it's only costing us trillions of dollars! |
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| kbp | Mar 9 2014, 12:09 PM Post #59 |
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...one in four people (23%) said Obamacare has already hurt them Imagine a person who experienced homeowner's insurance increase of 10%, which they'd pay in 12 easy installments to their mortgage company and most likely not even notice the difference much. A poll of them wouldn't even find "one in four" complaining. That's slow death where the uninformed do not realize what is going on until just before their buried! |
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| kbp | Mar 10 2014, 01:11 PM Post #60 |
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To deny that Obamacare will create deaths requires one to assume all patients will find an alternative solution to the problems it has created. Maybe she could have admitted herself to the ER at Dana-Farber Cancer Center, if they have one. Edited by kbp, Mar 10 2014, 01:12 PM.
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