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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,668 Views)
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May 17 2014, 07:53 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/federal-health-care-subsidies-may-be-too-high-or-too-low-for-more-than-1-million-americans/2014/05/16/8f544992-dd14-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527_story.html

"The government may be paying incorrect subsidies to more than 1 million Americans for their health plans in the new federal insurance marketplace and has been unable so far to fix the errors, according to internal documents and three people familiar with the situation.

The problem means that potentially hundreds of thousands of people are receiving bigger subsidies than they deserve. They are part of a large group of Americans who listed incomes on their insurance applications that differ significantly — either too low or too high — from those on file with the Internal Revenue Service, documents show..."
What Utter Incompetence!

Read the whole article. They are clueless and what they report fixed is probably a lie anyway

And the Clintons want Universal healthcare? I am sure that will be Hillary's Campaign Promise. Can you imagine how the Feds would screw that up?

Maybe they will be like the VA and just have secret lists and wipe "problems" off the records.

That Scandal now has grown to 11 states as whistle-blowers come forward, BUT Attorney General has no plans to investigate. Reports are shredding of records are occurring at VA hospitals.

See no problema, just like low inflation, low unemployment, and no waiting list for Vets.

I am afraid Obama-care will be much worse than even those of us who criticized it think.

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kbp

...Hillary's Campaign Promise...

If she sticks with what Bill said, which is likely since she will NOT condemn Obamacare, I can't wait to hear how they'll tweak a system that gobbles up THREE PERCENT more of the nation's entire economy. That tweak has to find some way of insuring 30+ million more people as it reduces the costs $1.7 trillion per year if she's pointing out the "10% of GDP" cost for universal healthcare.

As for the "incorrect subsidies" reported, the economic class involved will never be held responsible.
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$250K fine for lying on health insurance forms

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/national/government-and-politics/k-fine-for-lying-on-health-insurance-forms/article_cc7e58a7-fe3f-5973-a3a2-a29cb9e0eea1.html

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The Obama administration Friday spelled out civil fines of up to $250,000 for knowingly and willfully providing false information to get taxpayer-subsidized coverage under the new health care law.

New regulations say the fines also apply for lying to escape the law's requirement that most Americans carry health insurance.

If you fail to provide correct information — but there's no malicious intent— you still risk a $25,000 fine. It can be waived if there's a reasonable explanation and you acted in good faith.

Enrollment counselors are also subject to fines for disclosing or misusing an applicant's personal information.
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kbp

If an enrollment counselor is fined, as in the companies Barry is paying the employees to do nothing, would that company recover the fine in how it invoices Obamacare to do the counseling?

If so, would a $25,000 fine paid out and then billed back add $50,000 to our GDP?

Would any of it then be taxable, since you can't expense fines?

Pelosi may be very happy about the fines!
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kbp

I believe this link was previously posted:

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/federal-health-care-subsidies-may-be-too-high-or-too-low-for-more-than-1-million-americans/2014/05/16/8f544992-dd14-11e3-8009-71de85b9c527_story.html

Federal health-care subsidies may be too high or too low for more than 1 million Americans

...Because the computer capability does not yet exist, the work will start by hand, according to two people familiar with the plans. It will focus at first not on income questions, but on another roughly 1 million cases in which people enrolled — or tried to enroll — in health plans and ran into questions about their citizenship status. Throughout the sign-up period that ended earlier this spring , flaws in HealthCare.gov blocked many naturalized citizens or permanent legal residents, requiring them to submit immigration documents that are, like the income information, caught in a backlog.

The work of sorting out inaccurate incomes — and inaccurate subsidies, as a result — will likely begin sometime this summer, two individuals familiar with the plans said....

If accurate, that "1 million" is a huge percentage of whatever the total enrollment is (5, 6, 7, 8 million). What a cluster ***
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kbp

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/05/19/Hume-Waitlist-Plagued-VA-an-Inconvenient-Truth-for-Socialized-Medicine-Proponents

BRIT HUME: WAITLIST-PLAGUED VA AN 'INCONVENIENT TRUTH' FOR SOCIALIZED MEDICINE PROPONENTS

During his commentary segment on Monday’s broadcast of Fox News Channel’s “Special Report,” network senior political analyst Brit Hume explained why the various forms of government-run or government-funded health care have failed at home and abroad.

“The spreading scandal of delayed care at Veterans Administration hospitals and the unraveling efforts to cover up the problem have resulted in predictable calls for the resignation of VA secretary Eric Shinseki,” Hume said. “But the VA has been plagued with patient backlogs for long as I can remember and the problem has defied all efforts to solve it. The fact is long waits for care are common for government-run tax-payer funded health systems. Think of all the complaints you've read about long waits for care in all the socialized health care systems in Britain and Canada. They are what happens when the government owns and operates the hospitals and pays the doctors and nurses and finances it all out of a central budget.”

“As Michael Tanner of the CATO Institute points out, the delays are simply a form of rationing,” he continued. “This is an inconvenient truth for those who believe in full-blown socialized medicine. But it is also inconvenient to those who prefer a single-payer system where the government does not provide the care, but does pay the bills. That’s how Medicare works. It may be popular because it's supposedly free but people who can afford it buy extra private insurance to cover its gaps. That’s also how Medicaid works. It’s free, too. But good luck finding a doctor who will treat you. The number of physicians who take Medicaid has been declining for years. The recent study of 15 major cities found that fewer than half their doctors now treat Medicaid patients.”
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Hume makes a very valid point.

Doctors, Nurses, Hospitals, Staff employees, Drug Companies, and medical supply companies all have this demand. They want to get paid for their work.

I never understood why one would think the Fed Govt having a monopoly over anything would led to better & cheaper care.

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Dick Morris Video

1.5 Million May Have Lied About Income To Get ObamaCare Subsidies


In this video commentary, I discuss how up to 1.5 million people may have misrepresented their income when applying for ObamaCare subsidies

http://www.dickmorris.com/1-5-million-may-have-lied-about-income-to-get-obamacare-subsidies-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports


What a mess!
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kbp

Recall that the GOP (House, IIRC) planned to get what should be the final numbers directly from the insurance co's on May 20. This was the same group that revealed the 67% number.
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/06/major-insurers-to-testify-that-10-20-percent-failed-to-pay-premiums-by-deadlines/?print=1

05/06/2014

...WellPoint and Blue Cross Blue Shield appear to have no new information to add from an Energy and Commerce Committee report released last week that found that by April 15, across all insurers operating in federally-run Obamacare exchanges, just 67 percent of sign-ups had paid their premiums, although the deadline to pay had not passed for all premiums.

The report was the first official data on the rate of premium payments from the federal government.

According to testimony from Dennis Matheis of WellPoint, the WellPoint data submitted to House Republicans indicated that when calculated, considering all those who signed up for coverage, roughly 70 percent had paid premiums by April 15, in line with Republicans’ overall findings.

When only exchange applications whose payment deadline had passed by April 15 were considered, WellPoint would only say that “ranging up to 90 percent” had paid, “depending on the state.”

Aetna’s Paul Wingle will testify that the payment rate, again among sign-ups whose payment deadline had passed by the third week of April, “has been in the low- to mid-80 percent range,” in line with ongoing industry estimates of a total payment rate.

J. Darren Rodgers of Health Care Service Corporation, which does business as Blue Cross and Blue Shield in several states, cited payment rates as each month’s deadline passed.

By April 1, 83 percent of the company’s sign-ups whose deadline had passed had paid their premium. By May 1, that number dropped to 68 percent, again in line with House Republicans’ totals, but the payment deadline for all policies effective May 1 may not yet have passed.

The testimonies don’t vary much from House Republicans’ report, which included all 160 insurance carriers active in the federally-run Obamacare exchanges. The committee plans to update their report May 20, when final due dates for premium payments will have passed for most sign-ups.....
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VA debacle foreshadows Obamacare issues

If you want to know what your future on Obamacare looks like, look no farther than the Veterans Administration nightmare that’s unfolding in real time.

Reports are surfacing daily exposing “secret lists” the Department of Veteran Affairs compiled hiding names of veterans who desperately needed medical treatment yet were ignored by the disastrous federal system, resulting in at least 40 deaths.

Sometimes the waiting time for medical treatment at the VA can be as long as eight months.

If a patient is in pain or has a serious illness, these extreme wait times are beyond unacceptable, they’re deadly.

The inhumane treatment of our vets is beyond gross negligence and medical malpractice. It’s a disgrace. And President Obama and our leaders in Washington are responsible for the failure to properly oversee this important federal agency.

“President Obama wasted no time in arranging for members of Congress to get platinum Obamacare plans paid for by taxpayers. But he hasn’t lifted a finger to arrange plans for vets desperate for care. They should get at least as good a deal,” health care expert Betsey McCaughey, a former New York lieutenant governor, told the Herald.

It is both appalling and ironic that brave veterans who’ve returned from war — who survived enemy attacks — should instead die at the hands of heartless and incompetent federal bureaucrats within the VA system who failed to give them the medical treatment they deserved.

If this doesn’t outrage every American, I don’t know what will.

“Politicians in Washington are calling for an overhaul of the VA. But that won’t save the lives of people languishing on waiting lists. They need a way out now. Give them health plans to go to civilian doctors and hospitals,” McCaughey said....snipped

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/adriana_cohen/2014/05/adriana_cohen_va_debacle_foreshadows_obamacare_issues
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http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada-will-dump-xerox-health-insurance-exchange-contractor

Nevada will dump Xerox as health insurance exchange contractor
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May 20 2014, 07:53 PM
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada-will-dump-xerox-health-insurance-exchange-contractor

Nevada will dump Xerox as health insurance exchange contractor
Xerox spokeswoman Jennifer Wasmer in a statement called the board’s decision “extremely disappointing.”

“Xerox has been unwavering in its commitment to Nevada Health Link and to getting all aspects of the exchange right. We have engaged the full breadth of Xerox’s resources and have brought in external experts to meet that goal,” Wasmer said.

She also pointed to the “considerable accomplishment” of the exchange in supporting Medicaid expansion in Nevada. About 190,000 Nevadans are eligible for Medicaid through Nevada Health Link.

More than 10,000 people have also enrolled in private health plans in a special enrollment period that began April 1 and ends May 30.


What a success more enrollees on free Medicaid.
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http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_25799731/dan-walters-medi-cal-expands-cover-30-percent

Medi-Cal expands to cover 30 percent of Californians
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May 20 2014, 10:01 PM
But as one of the participants in the Medi-Cal legislation, retired Assemblyman Gordon Duffy, recalled in an interview a few years ago, "No one in the world thought it through."

It would not be the first time the Legislature adopted a sweeping new policy without fully considering its consequences, nor the last, unfortunately.

A half-century ago, a governor named Brown persuaded the California Legislature to embark on what those involved thought would be a modest new program of health care for poor Californians.

Medi-Cal, as it was dubbed, was California's version of the national Medicaid program that had been attached to the new Medicare system of health care for the elderly....snipped

...Then-Gov. Pat Brown, Duffy recalled, assured the Legislature that despite its complexity, state administrators could make Medi-Cal work. "They (the Brown administration) really pushed so hard on the positive effects. ... Everyone said it was a wonderful thing."

It has been, however, a political headache for every governor since.

Pat Brown's son, Jerry, is now serving his second stint as governor and last week revealed that Medi-Cal has mushroomed into a $90.6 billion-a-year program that will soon provide care to 11.5 million Californians or 30 percent of the state's population. That's 50 percent higher than the national average



Not much has changed with the Democrats.

"No one in the world thought it through."

Still the biggest problem is who is going to actual provide them healthcare?
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