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| Baldo | May 9 2014, 09:01 AM Post #511 |
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I have no idea why a company would continue to provide full healthcare coverage for an employee eligible for medicare. All they have to do is buy a supplemental policy for about $120/month and provide full coverage. |
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| kbp | May 9 2014, 09:28 AM Post #512 |
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The funds for subsidies has room in its budget to pay higher premiums. Under the structure of the 3-R's and how rate increases are regulated, the insurance companies have incentives to keep increases below 10% and also to lose money. The **** may not hit the fan for exchange customers (and subsidies) until June or July of 2016. |
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| kbp | May 9 2014, 09:36 AM Post #513 |
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| kbp | May 9 2014, 12:06 PM Post #514 |
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http://www.pal-item.com/usatoday/article/8517917 Health care, and patients, go south - to Mexico |
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| kbp | May 9 2014, 12:11 PM Post #515 |
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OOPS! http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/08/Report-Obamacare-Customers-in-for-Deductible-Sticker-Shock REPORT: OBAMACARE CUSTOMERS IN FOR DEDUCTIBLE STICKER SHOCK A new report finds that Obamacare customers are in for sticker shock because, unlike many employer-sponsored insurance plans, the fine print in many Obamacare policies requires patients to meet their deductible before lower-cost prescription drug co-pays kick in. That means hefty out-of-pocket expenses for Obamacare plan holders, especially since Obamacare deductibles are "relatively high" as compared to employer-sponsored insurance plans. The report, which was conducted by the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation and Breakaway Policy, concludes that even Obamacare customers who receive taxpayer-funded subsidies will "find it difficult to afford the amounts they will have to pay out-of-pocket before their Exchange plans begin to pay benefits." The study found that so-called "combined deductible" plans account for roughly half of the 1,208 Silver Obamacare plans analyzed and average $2,267 for a 27-year-old single person. That means that individual would have to pay full price on prescription drugs until he or she met the $2,267 deductible. "Deductibles under Exchange plans are being applied to products and services not generally subject to the deductible in [employer sponsored insurance] plans," said the report. "This could further complicate enrollees' task of evaluating plans' cost sharing provisions, as they will not only have to consider the amount of deductibles but also the way they are applied." Further exacerbating Obamacare deductible sticker shock is the fact that, according to the Journal of Health Economics, just 14% of people with health insurance know what basic terms like "deductible" and "co-pay" even mean. The most recent Pew Research/USA Today poll finds Obamacare's approval rating at an all-time low of just 41%. ***** ADD: Those with subsidies paying large portions of their premiums, the vast majority (81%?), will need toilet paper when they go in for health care. Will they stick with the plans even with low monthly payments? Edited by kbp, May 9 2014, 12:16 PM.
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| Baldo | May 10 2014, 12:33 PM Post #516 |
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New McKinsey Survey: 74% Of Obamacare Sign-Ups Were Previously Insured One of the principal flaws in the coverage of Obamacare’s enrollment numbers to date has been that the press has not made distinctions between those who have “signed up” for Obamacare-based plans, and those who have actually paid for those plans and thereby achieved enrollment in health insurance. A new survey from McKinsey indicates that a large majority of people signing up are now paying for their coverage. This is progress for the health law. But the survey still indicates that three-fourths of enrollees were previously insured. Two months ago, I wrote about a prior McKinsey survey that found that the vast majority of people signing up for coverage in 2014 were previously insured, and that of the minority who had been previously uninsured, only 53 percent had paid their first month’s premium. The upshot of that figure was that of the people who had actually enrolled in a new plan in 2014, the vast majority had been previously insured. Another way to say that is that for all of the talk about 7-million this and 8-million that, Obamacare’s expansion of coverage to the uninsured was smaller. New data: 83% of previously uninsured have paid up The new McKinsey data indicates that the proportion of uninsured individuals paying for coverage has shot up, from 53 percent in February to 83 percent in April. For previously insured individuals, the percentage of payers increased from 86 to 89 percent. The survey data was collected from 2,874 individuals whose incomes made them qualified for Obamacare exchange subsidies: between 100 percent and 400 percent of the Federal Poverty Level in states that haven’t expanded Medicaid, and between 138 and 400 percent in states that have. (For a childless adult, this means incomes between $11,670 or $16,105 and $46,680.)...snipped http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/05/10/new-mckinsey-survey-74-of-obamacare-sign-ups-were-previously-insured/?partner=yahootix So in looking at this from another viewpoint. Obama & the Dems spent all of this political capital and wasted two years of their super-majority while the country stalled. For what? An extra 1-2 million previously uninsured people. The price to tens of millions Americans will be higher premiums & higher deductible. What did anybody expect when Govt get involved? |
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| kbp | May 10 2014, 01:27 PM Post #517 |
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At some point they said 80% of the exchange were getting some help from subsidies. It appears Obamacare merely costs trillion$ to help pay for the previously insured. |
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| Baldo | May 10 2014, 08:18 PM Post #518 |
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Insurance CEO: Shut down Hawaii health exchange, act now to get waiver from federal government HONOLULU (AP) -- The chief executive of Hawaii's largest health insurance company is calling on Hawaii to shut down its beleaguered health insurance exchange, which was set up as part of President Barack Obama's signature health care law. Michael Gold, president and CEO of Hawaii Medical Services Association, says the state shouldn't keep spending money on the Hawaii Health Connector, a system that he says is financially unsustainable and does not work. "I think there's an alternative that Hawaii needs to pursue immediately," Gold said in an interview with The Associated Press. Hawaii should ask the federal government for an exception to the part of the Affordable Care Act that requires states to set up and run their own insurance exchanges, Gold said. He thinks businesses should buy approved plans directly from insurance companies, as they have done in the past. Individuals would do the same, or the federal government could take over that part of the exchange, he said. Lawmakers on Friday were outraged at Gold's assertion that the state hasn't already pursued flexibility from federal requirements. Rep. Angus McKelvey of West Maui said they sought waivers from the federal government and were told they had to wait until 2017. "We tried. We aggressively pursued that," McKelvey said. "The federal government says there's only one route to go." The state already is pursuing ways to streamline the exchange by removing it as the middle-man between employers and insurers, and seeking waivers from the federal government, said Beth Giesting, health care transformation coordinator for Gov. Neil Abercrombie. "It is a simplified role for the Connector, rather than no role for the Connector," Giesting said. The Legislature also passed a bill setting up a task force to pursue the waiver. The rollout of Hawaii's health exchange was delayed and plagued with technical problems. The Connector was awarded more than $200 million in federal funds. It has used about $100 million. It signed up 9,217 individuals, plus 628 employees and dependents. To date, the Connector has raised only $40,350 in user fees, according to Nathan Hokama, the exchange's spokesman....snipped http://news.yahoo.com/insurance-ceo-shut-down-hawaii-021453745.html Typical; Govt Efficiency. Spend 100 million to get about 10,000 enrolled & revenue of $40,000 $100,000 per customer. Don't worry we will make it up in volume. |
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| kbp | May 11 2014, 09:19 AM Post #519 |
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That's 6 million newly insured if the 8 million is accurate, before giving consideration to the percentage of the previously uninsured who are no-pays. The CBO budget projection for 5 million of them (less under-26) is $38 billion, but I'm not convinced it will reach that many enrollments. The McKinsey survey gets a little complicated to follow in how they use off-exchange numbers mixed with exchange numbers. I could not find any information that indicated the "8 million" is accurate. The House is supposed get an update from insurance companies May 20, but it's not clear if they'll have all the numbers even that late. |
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| Baldo | May 11 2014, 10:45 AM Post #520 |
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$474M for 4 failed Obamacare exchanges Nearly half a billion dollars in federal money has been spent developing four state Obamacare exchanges that are now in shambles – and the final price tag for salvaging them may go sharply higher. Each of the states – Massachusetts, Oregon, Nevada and Maryland – embraced Obamacare and each underperformed. All have come under scathing criticism and now face months of uncertainty as they either rush to rebuild their systems or transition to the federal exchange. The federal government is caught between writing still more exorbitant checks to give them a second chance at creating viable exchanges of their own or, for a lesser although not inexpensive sum, adding still more states to HealthCare.gov. The federal system is already serving 36 states, far more than originally anticipated. As for the contractors involved, which have borne most of the blame for the exchange debacles, a few continue to insist that fixes are possible. Others are braced for possible legal action or waiting to hear if now-tainted contracts will be terminated. The $474 million spent by these four states includes the cost that officials have publicly detailed to date. It climbs further if states like Minnesota and Hawaii, which have suffered similarly dysfunctional exchanges, are added in. Their totals are just a fraction of the $4.698 billion that the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation calculates the federal government has approved for states since 2011 to help them determine whether to create their own exchanges and to assist in doing so. Still, the amount of money that now appears wasted is prompting calls for far greater accountability. http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/obamacare-cost-failed-exchanges-106535.html Just blow money! Meanwhile Main Street is rotting away. The real cost of Obama-care has yet to be determined. The waste & inefficiency of the Federal Govt robs us from the future. |
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| kbp | May 11 2014, 12:29 PM Post #521 |
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http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/05/study-obamacare-employer-mandate-will-disproportionately-hurt-low-wage-workers/ Study: Obamacare Employer Mandate Will Disproportionately Hurt Low-Wage Workers Obamacare’s twice-delayed employer mandate will hit low-wage workers the hardest, according to a study released Friday. The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Urban Institute released a report examining the effects of repealing the employer mandate or moving ahead. The employer mandate peg of the health care law will barely affect the uninsured rate, researchers found. “Employers with 50 or more workers not offering coverage pre-ACA are the same employers that are highly likely to not offer in the future, therefore incurring the ACA’s penalties. Because the non-offering firms are much more likely to be firms dominated by low-wage workers, low-wage employees will bear the greatest brunt of the penalties imposed,” the study found. The study acknowledges an argument often advanced by both conservatives and businesses that hiring will likely be stunted by the arbitrary cut-offs in the mandate, imposing different requirements and starting dates for companies employing with below 50, 50-99, and 100-plus workers. But the federal government expects to gain billions in penalty payments from companies that choose not to obey the mandate in the end. These costs “are likely to be passed back to the workers in the form of reduced wages,” particularly low-wage employees. [This "reduced wage" must be a long-term prediction. It's hard to believe it would hit the low wage crowd immediately. They do not have much to work with in the way of reductions.] Few workers would lose health coverage in the absence of the mandate. Were it entirely eliminated, employer coverage would fall by just 500,000, according to the study; nongroup coverage would correspondingly rise by 300,000 and Medicaid would grow by 100,000 people. The net increase in the uninsured would be just 200,000 — a relative hike of just 0.6 percent. The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF) is a supporter of the health care law. It donated $13 million to Enroll America, a White House-connected nonprofit promoting Obamacare enrollment, after outgoing Health and Human Services secretary Kathleen Sebelius requested the funding from top executives, according to a recent federal report. They’re not the first pro-Affordable Care Act contingency to advocate trashing the employer mandate, once considered a key component of the health care law. After the Obama administration’s initial delay of the mandate last July, notorious Obamacare supporter Ezra Klein advocated at the Washington Post for the mandate’s repeal. “Frankly, eliminating it — or at least utterly overhauling it — is probably the right thing to do,” Klein wrote. “It’s a bad bit of policy.” It’s one of the few areas of Obamacare policy where both sides of the aisle can agree. Since the Clinton administration, conservative organizations have vehemently opposed the prospect of an employer mandate — and after two delays of Obamacare’s, former supporters are rethinking it as well. “Eliminating the employer responsibility requirements should substantially diminish employer opposition to the ACA,” the study concluded. While businesses and much of the public would likely welcome dumping the mandate, it would require raising another $46 billion in taxes over the next decade to even things out. The federal government expects to raise serious cash from businesses that don’t comply through penalty payments. In the absence of the mandate, Medicaid and Obamacare enrollments (likely with subsidy payments) will probably rise slightly. [I'm lost on where they got the $46 billion. The most recent prediction I have seen was $140 billion over 10 years (2023) for the "Penalty Payments by Employers." See Page 2 of the 2nd link in my signature below.] Edited by kbp, May 11 2014, 12:30 PM.
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| Mason | May 11 2014, 12:32 PM Post #522 |
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. No Problem, we'll just need another Gov't Behemoth to fix that. . |
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| kbp | May 12 2014, 09:25 AM Post #523 |
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...49% want Congress to make changes to the law That's Democrats hoping for change of the change we are experiencing! |
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| Baldo | May 12 2014, 02:16 PM Post #524 |
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Dick Morris video ObamaCare Premiums Set To Skyrocket http://www.dickmorris.com/obamacare-premiums-set-to-skyrocket-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports Interesting stuff,. If he is right we are in for quite a BOHICA moment with the tax increase built into Obama-care for Insurance Companies which will of course have to be passed through to the consumers. Morris estimates increase premiums of $100 this year, an extra $150 next year, and finally another $150. And the kicker is that is per month! So the plan was to tax the insurance companies so it would pass through to the consumer in three installments. It hides the fact and Obama can say I didn't raise taxes on consumers. If Morris is right it will cost an extra $400/month for the end user in 2017, coincidentally with Obama leaving office in Jan 2017. The other aspect is that mandatory service coverage increases for business policies will make younger employees more expensive to cover as they are treated like all of the older generation in rates who use more services while statistically young people don't use services. Tying to be objective I just don't see how this can work Edited by Baldo, May 12 2014, 02:17 PM.
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| kbp | May 12 2014, 03:18 PM Post #525 |
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I had never thought or read about the effect it will have on the younger employees! I'm not aware of the insurance tax he is speaking of and he doesn't give specific details sufficient to identify what tax it is. I was aware of a tax on insurance that I thought was to charge about $65 per year per policy. Go to page 2 in the second link in my signature and you'll find revenue to offset costs, which says in Footnote "e. These effects on the deficit include the associated effects of changes in taxable compensation on revenues." They would not intentionally hide more tax revenue and make the deficit look bigger. I'm not sure if Dick Morris knows what he's talking about there in the way of monthly insurance policy taxes. |
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