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Apr 30 2014, 07:48 PM
Found: The lamest anti-Obamacare column of all (thus far)

Michael Hiltzik

1:53 PM PDT, April 28, 2014
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As we've recently observed, conservative opponents of the Affordable Care Act have pulled out the stops to paint the law as an unmitigated disaster--notwithstanding its documented gains in health insurance coverage for millions of Americans nationwide.

But we think we've found the dopiest entry in this competitive field. Tip your hat to Michael F. Cannon of the libertarian Cato Institute, who wins the prize with a piece entitled "ACA Exchanges at risk." Cannon is director of health policy studies at Cato, which is a little scary. His column appeared April 22 on the opinion page of the Los Angeles Register (whatever that is) and also is published on the Cato website.

Its theme is that Obamacare "creates so many incentives for enrollees to drop their coverage" that this year's enrollment numbers can't be sustained. The piece goes even further, stating that people are financially better off if they drop their coverage and "wait until they get sick to re-enroll."

That argument places Cannon squarely in the disreputable camp of conservatives who advise Americans not to sign up for Obamacare because there's no downside to going without coverage. That was the implicit point made recently by the right-wing blogger Matt Drudge, who says he'll never sign up for Obamacare and claimed (implausibly) that he had already paid his 2014 penalty for shunning the ACA's legally mandated individual health coverage.

It should be obvious that advising anyone to go without health insurance, especially when it's been made affordable by the ACA, is the height of irresponsibility. That's even more true when the advice is based on nonsense.

So let's take a gander at where Cannon, Cato's health policy expert, goes off the rails.

First, he claims that "for most healthy people, going uninsured before Obamacare, at least for a time, was already a safe bet.... The odds that they would have to deal with unmet medical needs, or unpaid medical bills, were low."

That's true, up to a point. Of course the flaw in this reasoning is that the time span dividing healthfulness from dire medical need can be a nanosecond--the time it takes to be hit by a car, feel a sudden chest pain, or to take a phone call from a doctor bearing a cancer diagnosis. You want to roll the dice, go ahead. Just remember that you are rolling the dice.

Then Cannon gets really ghoulish. "Suppose the day after you cancel your health insurance, you receive a serious diagnosis like diabetes, or cancer," he posits. No problem! Under Obamacare, you can't be denied insurance coverage or charged extra for that illness!

On the other hand, Cannon concedes, you may have to wait until open enrollment for the following year to sign up, which means your coverage won't start until next January.

Big deal, Cannon suggests. What's the risk that you'll have to wait, say, 11 months to see a doctor for your cancer? How many cancers kill people that fast, anyway? "You may have to wait until January for that coverage to take effect," he writes, "but even so the downside risk of going uninsured is much smaller."

Anyway, he says, there are plenty of ways to sign up for coverage without waiting a year. For example:

--Get married. "Newly married couples can enroll in an Exchange plan on their wedding day," he observes. (You can get divorced the day after enrollment, he advises.) And happily, "states that recognize gay marriage have effectively doubled the pool of potential 'Obamacare spouses.'"

--Move to a new state. You can sign up on its exchange when you take residence.

--"If you live in one of the 25 or so states implementing Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, you can get coverage immediately by reducing your income below 138 percent of the federal poverty level ($16,102 for a single adult). You can then restore your income when you enroll in an Exchange plan in January."

--Get pregnant. You can enroll in an exchange the day your baby is born. (Of course, this works only for about half the U.S. population.)

--Rely on "friends, family, or the kindness of strangers." (Yes, he actually wrote this.)

As it happens, Cannon left out a couple of options. You can get yourself fired; loss of a job makes you immediately eligible for an exchange plan. Alternatively, you can become a member of an Indian tribe; tribal members can sign up for exchange plans throughout the year. (This may not be an option for everybody.)

So to sum up, here are the ways the Cato Institute proposes for you to scam Obamacare: You can get married, have a kid, impoverish yourself so you qualify for Medicaid, or commit fraud. If you've been diagnosed with a dire disease, you can uproot yourself and move to another state.

These are the options, Cannon says, for "rational" people. Cato and its health policy expert plainly have a different definition for "rational" from the rest of us. But why would a truly rational person take their advice?
Thanks Abb! :)

There are not many that know the Obamacare law much better than Cannon. I'm not sure WTH the point was in Hiltzik's column that identified the facts Cannon presented as being "[t]he lamest anti-Obamacare column of all."

In his efforts to ID specific faults, he completely ignores any patient can use an ER, it's probably much cheaper for many to just file medical bankruptcy if needed versus paying premiums, and most medical needs can be delayed just as it appears to be SOP at the VA hospitals.

The closest Hiltzik comes to showing the facts Cannon presented were irresponsible was within these 2 paragraphs:

  • (1) That argument places Cannon squarely in the disreputable camp of conservatives who advise Americans not to sign up for Obamacare because there's no downside to going without coverage. (2) That was the implicit point made recently by the right-wing blogger Matt Drudge, who says he'll never sign up for Obamacare and claimed (implausibly) that he had already paid his 2014 penalty for shunning the ACA's legally mandated individual health coverage.

    (3) It should be obvious that advising anyone to go without health insurance, especially when it's been made affordable by the ACA, is the height of irresponsibility. (4) That's even more true when the advice is based on nonsense.
(1) Cannon does NOT say there is "no downside to going without coverage," the the message of his column was to point out Obamacare "REDUCES the downside of going uninsured."

(2) The "implicit point made" by Matt Drudge was that the NEW TAX was due when he made his quarterly estimated tax deposits. It's gibberish tossed in that shows NOTHING in his effort to classify Cannon's column as being "lame."

(3) The cost factor of risk versus financial security is what influences anyone to buy any type of "insurance," look up the definition of what it is. Identifying the faults in the Obamacare law is not "advising" people to go without it, nor an act of "irresponsibility," it merely shows what the risks are for going without that insurance. Meanwhile, Hiltzik's method of judgments for "irresponsibility," if he wishes to make a point, should be applied to those that enacted a law that would leave 30+ million UNinsured in a best-case-scenario.

(4) Hiltzik concludes those paragraphs by identifying the facts Cannon provided as being "advice is based on nonsense." Again, it was not "advice," merely commentary based on facts of the law.

That's even more true when the advice is based on nonsense.

Just as a refresher, here are the first two paragraphs of Cannon's column I had previously posted here:

  • President Barack Obama says he has enrolled 7.1 million Americans through his new health insurance Exchanges. If so, that may prove to be the easy part: Obamacare creates so many incentives for enrollees to drop their coverage that maintaining those enrollment numbers may start to resemble something like pushing millions of people up a greased poll.

    For Obamacare to work, people must enroll and stay enrolled. An estimated20 percent of those who signed up have yet to pay their first premium, and as many as 5 percent stopped paying after the first month. If too many drop out, premiums could climb until the Exchanges collapse
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Where Cannon was going by citing facts and where Hiltzik took it from there are miles apart. I'm not sure what Hiltzik hoped to accomplish in his weak efforts to use moral or ethical means to redefine the law and Cannon's column.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/30/obamacare-economy_n_5242767.html?1398899223&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067

By Lucia Mutikani

WASHINGTON, April 30 (Reuters) - As the U.S. economy teetered on the brink of contraction in the first quarter, one thing stood out. Healthcare spending increased at its fastest pace in more than three decades.

That surge is attributed to the implementation of President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law, the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. Because of Obamacare, the nation narrowly avoided its first decline in output in three years.

"GDP growth would have ... been negative were it not for healthcare spending," said Harm Bandholz, chief economist at UniCredit Research in New York.

Healthcare spending increased at a 9.9 percent annual rate, the quickest since the third quarter of 1980, and it contributed 1.1 percentage points to GDP growth.

The economy expanded at only a 0.1 percent rate in the first quarter, held back by a drop in exports and business investment, which economists attributed to a harsh winter. A sharp slowdown in the pace of inventory accumulation was also a drag.

The gauge of healthcare spending published on Wednesday is simply an estimate based on Medicaid benefits, ACA insurance exchange enrollments, and other related information. Firm data will not be available until June, and the government could well revise its figures for both healthcare and overall GDP.
[They've mixed healthcare spending and health insurance spending to reach this total increase. That is NOT a reliable conglomeration of numbers to use! Healthcare spending increases could reflect more people using their coverage plus inflation in the cost for care. A portion of the increase in spending for health insurance coverage and Medicaid coverage is an increase in costs paid for by the taxpayers. If that were a good thing for the economy, then it must be better to spend a hundred times that much!]

About eight million people have so far signed up for healthcare insurance under the law, and the jump in healthcare spending had already been flagged in the government's monthly income and consumer spending data.

White House economic adviser Jason Furman said the increase should not be a cause for alarm.

"Any upward pressure on healthcare spending growth from expanding insurance coverage will cease once coverage stabilizes at its new, higher level, so it does not affect the longer-term outlook for spending growth," he said in a statement.
[Total BS!]

Obamacare provides coverage for residents who previously did not have health insurance, as well as subsidies to those who cannot afford monthly premiums. These transfers are helping to free-up income and more people are making visits to hospitals.
[...as the balance of the US population has LESS disposable income to spend, which is NOT good for the US Economy!]

Economists said both the subsidies and hospital visits were contributing to the surge in healthcare spending.
[More hospital visits is a good thing if you want higher premiums!]

"You have those two separate things that are working; the challenge is we don't know the split between newly insured and previously insured," said Alec Phillips, an economist at Goldman Sachs in Washington.

Healthcare spending could rise again in the second quarter, but probably not at the first-quarter's rapid pace.
[Prolly correct, as we will not know of the premium increases until after the end of June.]

Through February, estimated personal income from Medicaid and other social benefits - the category where the tax subsidies through the health exchanges show up - was running ahead of the actual increase in healthcare consumption.
[Is this idiot classifying "Medicaid and other social benefits" (subsidies) as "personal income" here??????? Are those receiving entitlement funds classified as employees of Uncle Sam?]

"That kind of implies that there may be at least a little bit more in terms of growth in health consumption from essentially those new benefits that have been provided," said Phillips. "With that said it also implies that we have probably seen a decent amount of it already."

Government transfers, including health insurance premium subsidies, boosted personal income in the first-quarter.

...surge is attributed to the implementation of President Barack Obama's signature healthcare law, the Affordable Care Act
...Healthcare spending increased at a 9.9 percent annual rate
...implies...growth in health consumption from...new benefits


success=it could have been worse!
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I need to go through a few links to figure out how valid these numbers are, They do provide a lot of data to look over. How they define the numbers of the "federally facilitated marketplace" may play games here. Maybe they got a count for federal exchange, state exchange and insurance company data that is hard to decipher. Near the end of June we should be getting some solid numbers.


http://energycommerce.house.gov/press-release/committee-learns-who’s-paid-obamacare-april-15-only-67-percent-enrollees-federal

Committee Learns Who’s Paid for Obamacare: As of April 15, Only 67 Percent of Enrollees in Federal Marketplace Had Paid First Month’s Premium
April 30, 2014

Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee to Hold Hearing NEXT WEEK with Insurance Companies to Discuss Detailed Enrollment Data

WASHINGTON, DC – Data provided to the committee by every insurance provider in the health care law’s Federally Facilitated Marketplace (FFM) shows that, as of April 15, 2014, only 67 percent of individuals and families that had selected a health plan in the federally facilitated marketplace had paid their first month’s premium and therefore completed the enrollment process. Nationwide, only 25 percent of paid enrollees are ages 18 to 34. The Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations today invited the leaders of some of the nation’s largest insurance providers and their trade groups to testify at a hearing, “PPACA Enrollment and the Insurance Industry,” on Wednesday, May 7, 2014, at 10:15 a.m. in room 2123 Rayburn House Office Building.

House Energy and Commerce Committee members sent letters requesting specific enrollment data, including the number of individuals who have paid their first month’s premium and demographic breakdowns. The committee has compiled the data that provides a snapshot of the true enrollment picture as of April 15, 2014, after the official end of the open enrollment period. Due to the administration’s repeated and unilateral extensions and changes, as well as the fact that many insurers have reported that individuals will still have time to pay their first month’s premium, the committee plans to ask the insurers in the federally facilitated marketplace to provide an enrollment update by May 20, 2014.

On April 17, 2014, President Obama declared the success of his law, claiming that 8 million Americans had signed up for health insurance, but data from the insurance providers reveals that the president’s figure is largely misleading. As of April 15, 2014, insurers informed the committee that only 2.45 million had paid their first month’s premium for coverage obtained through the federally facilitated marketplace. While the administration has relied on questionable nationwide figures to boast the law’s success, the state-by-state breakdown compiled by the committee underscores the serious problems facing some states.

For months, the committee and members of the press have urged the administration to provide rudimentary details about enrollment under the law, including information regarding the makeup of the risk pool and who had actually paid for their health care plans. Administration officials repeatedly insisted they were incapable of collating that data and that the insurance providers are the only ones with those details. The committee followed the administration’s suggestion and went directly to the insurance providers.

“In a sad reversal away from its vows of transparency, the Obama administration, from inside the Oval Office on down, has gone to extraordinary lengths to keep basic details of the health law from the public. Tired of receiving incomplete pictures of enrollment in the health care law, we went right to the source and found that the administration’s recent declarations of success may be unfounded,” commented full committee Chairman Fred Upton (R-MI). “We need a complete picture of how this law is working. We will continue to strive for transparency and hold the administration accountable for this law’s shortcomings and broken promises.”

Key Figures:
Nationwide (as of April 15, 2014), 67 percent of people had completed enrollment and paid their first month’s premium and 33 percent had not. Of those who had paid their first month’s premium:

Under 18: 6 percent;
Ages 18 to 25: 10 percent;
26 to 34: 15 percent;
35 to 44: 16 percent;
45 to 54: 23 percent;
55 to 64: 29 percent;
65 and older: 1 percent.


Key Figures state-by-state breakdown: http://energycommerce.house.gov/sites/republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/files/Hearings/OI/20140501/043014State-Percentages-Enrollment-Data.pdf

Letter to Insurance Providers in Federally-Facilitated Marketplace:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/sites/republicans.energycommerce.house.gov/files/letters/20140313Insurers.pdf

Complete catalogue of Federally-Faciliated Marketplace Insurance Providers:
https://www.healthcare.gov/health-plan-information/
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May 1 2014, 10:10 AM
Committee Learns Who’s Paid for Obamacare: As of April 15, Only 67 Percent of Enrollees in Federal Marketplace Had Paid First Month’s Premium
Recall that when I put together all the data available from the state exchanges, the head count of no-pays for Oct thru Dec that was released early Feb (IIRC), the average percentage of no-pays was at 35%.

Those numbers were not exact because some of the insurance companies were giving customers as late ac Feb 15th to pay for a Jan 1 policy, so the 35% no-pay could have dropped. Another factor to consider is that the 1-1-14 enrollment number included people that had from Oct 1 thru as late as Feb 15 to pay their first month premium. That's 4 1/2 months to come up with the premium for a single, while Feb and Mar did not have as much time to pay. This could have increased the percentage of no-pays for months that followed January.

The state exchanges showed 35% and the data now may show it is 33%. That's pretty close!
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Many Obamacare enrollees haven't paid their premiums yet - why not?

Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said as much herself: "You are not fully enrolled [in Obamacare] until you pay your premium." Yet data collected by the Republican-led House Energy and Commerce Committee shows that as of April 15, just 67 percent of enrollees in the federally-run Obamacare marketplace had paid their first month's premiums.

There are a variety of factors that explain why more than 30 percent of enrollees have yet to pay. To begin with, it's worth noting that millions of Americans waited until the final weeks and days of the open enrollment period (which closed on March 31) to sign up for Obamacare. Many were allowed to finish the enrollment process after March 31, due to the flexibility the Obama administration granted. Consequently, many Americans on the new marketplace simply didn't owe any premiums by April 15.

"Americans are not in the habit of paying something earlier than they have to," said Tim Jost, a consumer advocate and professor of health law at Washington and Lee University.

Report: 67% of enrollees have paid so far
Obamacare "is working" Obama says

Even so, the nature of the individual health insurance market -- factors like the fluidity of the marketplace and consumers' lack of familiarity with the system -- make it difficult to collect premiums from all enrollees.

Sebelius successor faces Obamacare challenges

Marc Boutin, executive vice president of the nonprofit National Health Council, said that getting nearly seven in 10 enrollees to pay just two weeks after the open enrollment period closed "seems quite positive." While more comprehensive data will come in later, he called it "a really good indication of the direction we're going."

"You have to recognize it's a new payment for many people, and it's not uncommon for people to miss that first payment or be confused about when to pay it," he said. From here, "I think the numbers are just going to go up."

Even so, it's unlikely the Obamacare marketplace will ever get 100 percent of its enrollees to pay their first month's premium. In 2013, before the Obamacare marketplace existed, about 90 percent of enrollees in the individual marketplace paid, Jost said...snipped

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/33-of-obamacare-enrollees-havent-paid-their-premiums-yet-why-not/


Yep it really is a good indicator alright.

What planet did Marc Boutin come from? A new policy holder in any insurance plan I ever had or company insurance plan for an employer I agreed to had to pay when you sign up.

Even today, if I don't pay my Medicare/ supplemental health insurance insurance at the start of every month or time period it means I don't have coverage.

Sounds like he comes from the Winston payment plan for crab legs.
Edited by Baldo, May 1 2014, 12:09 PM.
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By one of the most knowledgeable Obamacare critics

GOP foolish to think ObamaCare is fixable
By Betsy McCaughey

Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-Wash.), the No. 4 House Republican, is walking back comments attributed to her that ObamaCare can’t be repealed. But she’s not the only one suggesting Congress merely make changes within the framework of the health law. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) says the goal is to get the law “fixed.” It seems many GOP lawmakers still haven’t read the law, or they’d know the framework is corrupt.

Even Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) speculated Friday that repeal is unlikely because it will be “difficult to turn the clock back.”

Nonsense. Even by the most inflated administration claims, some 8 million people have signed up for exchange plans, out of a nation of 318 million. ObamaCare is repealable, and should be replaced with a plan to cover the uninsured and reduce costs.

ObamaCare’s authors paid lip service to these goals but had an ulterior motive: forging a permanent Democratic majority. The law creates a huge infrastructure for enrolling millions of people not just in insurance but also for food stamps, housing assistance and other welfare programs — and registering them to vote.

Here are the pillars of this corrupt scheme. None of the minor fixes Republicans are discussing comes even close to sweeping away this corruption.

Navigators and assisters: Instead of government employees promoting ObamaCare and enrolling the uninsured, the law (Sec. 1311) reserves these jobs for community activists, unions, community health centers and other not-for-profits. Players include the NAACP, Planned Parenthood and Service Employees International Union. Hiring these groups is a way to fund the Democratic Party’s shadow army between elections.

Assisters sign up the uninsured for non-health benefits and register them to vote. The National Association of Community Health Centers identifies voter registration as a key part of its mission.

The whole scheme recalls the days of Tammany Hall, when local ward bosses got the poor and newly arrived whatever they needed, in exchange for their votes. ObamaCare institutionalizes this corrupt model and pays for it with your premiums.

Bailouts for insurers: ObamaCare rules make it impossible for insurers to offer “affordable” plans and still cover their costs. The premiums have to cover a long list of mandatory benefits as well as $100 billion in taxes on insurers over the decade. Insurers also have to cover seriously ill people for the same price as healthy people. Every state that tried this “community rating” scheme has seen premiums soar, as the healthy stop buying the plans.

To make ObamaCare seem affordable, the law includes a bailout (Sec. 1342). It encourages insurers to price plans below cost, with the assurance that taxpayer money will make them whole for most losses at year’s end. In short, John Q. Public is paying to make a law look affordable that isn’t. Worse, in January, the Obama administration sweetened the bailout terms, though only Congress has the legal authority to do so.

The big lie is that this law is paid for. Reductions in future Medicare spending pay for over half the law, including a staggering 27 percent cut in payments to Medicare Advantage plans. That’s on paper. But the administration is postponing the Medicare Advantage cuts to dodge angry seniors.

Also postponed is the employer mandate, which requires workplaces with 50 or more full-time employees to provide a costly package of benefits. In anticipation of that mandate, employers are holding their workforces below 50 or cutting hours below the law’s zany 30-hour-a-week definition of full-time. In the first seven months of 2013, an astounding 77 percent of hires were part-time.

With the employer mandate, the economy cannot recover. Without it, millions more will need taxpayer-funded coverage and ObamaCare collapses.

So much for the false sales pitch that ObamaCare is paid for and repealing it would increase the deficit.

Attention, Republicans: Repeal this “stinkburger” and replace it with a health-insurance safety net built on compassion, not lies.

Betsy McCaughey is author of “Beating ObamaCare 2014.”

http://nypost.com/2014/04/30/gop-foolish-to-think-obamacare-is-fixable/


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Carney On Obamacare Enrollments: 'We Don't Have Hard Numbers, But We Dispute Their Numbers'

We Have To Pass The Numbers To Find Out What's Wrong With Them

In today's press briefing, Jay Carney was asked about the number of Obamacare premium payments that have been made. In other words, the total number of people actually, factually covered, not including window shoppers and unpaid accounts.

"We dispute their numbers. We don't have hard, concrete numbers, but we dispute them," the press secretary reasonably explained.

The question followed a report from the House Energy Committee on how many enrollees had actually paid for their chosen Obamacare plans. The report stated, “as of April 15, 2014, only 67 percent of individuals and families that had selected a health plan in the federally facilitated marketplace had paid their first month’s premium and therefore completed the enrollment process.” Just one quarter of those who had paid into the system were young people aged 18 to 34 – the group the Obama administration most requires to sign up in order to provide solvency to the failing system. The bulk of those who signed up came from the 35-64 age group.

Carney says this is not data that is traditionally shared with government and emphasizes that the data is coming from "profit-making" companies. Chuck Todd was asking specifically about how many people included in the White House's own reported numbers as successful Obamacare enrollees - the number 8 million that is being touted and bragged about every day - aren't actually covered by insurance at this time, and whether that might change their success line by up to or in excess of one million people....snipped

www.truthrevolt.org/news/carney-obamacare-enrollments-we-dont-have-hard-numbers-we-dispute-their-numbers


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Obamacare misses target on younger enrollees despite late surge

Despite a late surge that led to 8 million Americans signing up for coverage through President Obama's health care law, just 28 percent of those signing up were from the crucial younger demographic, according to new data from the Department of Health and Human Services. The number is below the original HHS target.

The health care law defied early expectations after a botched rollout and ended up seeing a surge of 3.8 million Americans selecting an insurance plan through one of the law's exchanges in March, along with an extended enrollment period that was measured through April 19.

HHS did not release data on the number of individuals who completed the enrollment process by paying their premiums, noting that it “does not yet have comprehensive and accurate data about effectuated enrollment (that is, the number of individuals who have effectuated their enrollment and gained coverage through payment of the first month’s premium). However, some issuers have made public statements indicating that 80 percent to 90 percent of the people who have selected a Marketplace plan have made premium payments.”

Though there was a surge of 1.2 million signups coming from the ages 18-to-34 demographic (representing 31 percent of enrollees, an increase from earlier months), the final number of 2.2 million signups, out of 8 million total, was just 28 percent....snipped

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-misses-target-on-younger-enrollees-despite-late-surge/article/2547961


"Money talks BS walks"

I know one young person who signed up and has received NO Paperwork as of yet. Doesn't have a clue whether covered or not. Can't get through to talk to anybody.

It's a Big Load of BS
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May 1 2014, 12:09 PM
Many Obamacare enrollees haven't paid their premiums yet - why not?

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Marc Boutin, executive vice president of the nonprofit National Health Council, said that getting nearly seven in 10 enrollees to pay just two weeks after the open enrollment period closed "seems quite positive." While more comprehensive data will come in later, he called it "a really good indication of the direction we're going."

"You have to recognize it's a new payment for many people, and it's not uncommon for people to miss that first payment or be confused about when to pay it," he said. From here, "I think the numbers are just going to go up."

snip
Like I said, we need to check the numbers on that 67% claim (I've not read all of it yet). It may be Obama-math.

Going with what I think Boutin is addressing, Obamacare was at 5 million March 15, 7.5 million the end of March (they announced 7.1 then 7.5), and 8 million April 15.

Using 8 million now and 5 million March 15, that means 3 million had their first payment due prior to May 1 when their coverage began (enrollment after the 15th gives you a start date for coverage after the following month, so a March 16 enrollment starts May 1).

The 8 million x 67% = 5.36 million

To the best of my knowledge on it, the 67% number was as of April 15. They had 15 more days to pay the premium.
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May 1 2014, 01:57 PM
Carney On Obamacare Enrollments: 'We Don't Have Hard Numbers, But We Dispute Their Numbers'

We Have To Pass The Numbers To Find Out What's Wrong With Them

In today's press briefing, Jay Carney was asked about the number of Obamacare premium payments that have been made. In other words, the total number of people actually, factually covered, not including window shoppers and unpaid accounts.

"We dispute their numbers. We don't have hard, concrete numbers, but we dispute them," the press secretary reasonably explained.

The question followed a report from the House Energy Committee on how many enrollees had actually paid for their chosen Obamacare plans. The report stated, “as of April 15, 2014, only 67 percent of individuals and families that had selected a health plan in the federally facilitated marketplace had paid their first month’s premium and therefore completed the enrollment process.” Just one quarter of those who had paid into the system were young people aged 18 to 34 – the group the Obama administration most requires to sign up in order to provide solvency to the failing system. The bulk of those who signed up came from the 35-64 age group.

Carney says this is not data that is traditionally shared with government and emphasizes that the data is coming from "profit-making" companies. Chuck Todd was asking specifically about how many people included in the White House's own reported numbers as successful Obamacare enrollees - the number 8 million that is being touted and bragged about every day - aren't actually covered by insurance at this time, and whether that might change their success line by up to or in excess of one million people....snipped

www.truthrevolt.org/news/carney-obamacare-enrollments-we-dont-have-hard-numbers-we-dispute-their-numbers


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I'm thinking the House Energy and Commerce numbers were put out to illustrate that the numbers are available and force HHS's hand in producing them. The House probably stretched the numbers as much as they can without being false (play the game).

The House hearing in which the larger insurers are to testify about the enrollment is set for May 7. The letter from the House to insurers and the House web page identified that they were doing what the HHS said the HHS would have to do to get the numbers and the House has the numbers shared with the public long before the HHS could have ...and that's just the obvious and idiot like myself can see clearly.


ADD: "We don't have hard, concrete numbers, but we dispute them" - Carney. I also think Carney was stuck in a hard spot because he could NOT admit he had evidence to dispute something the WH and HHS has been hiding behind ignorance to conceal from the public! Recall how quickly Barry had numbers to brag about, the same numbers it had been taking 45+ days to find.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/30/editorial-the-arkansas-obamacare-bailout/

EDITORIAL: The Arkansas Obamacare bailout
A failed Medicaid experiment is becoming a national nightmare


....The Arkansas Medicaid private option is already over budget by nearly 15 percent. Costs exceed federal caps and, absent a reversal, Arkansas taxpayers will be charged tens of millions more dollars in cost overruns.

...With the empty promises of Arkansas’ Medicaid expansion now coming to light, one question looms — why are Republican leaders in other states trying to replicate it? Versions of the private option have been put through the Republican-controlled New Hampshire state Senate and ordered by Republican Gov. Terry Branstad in Iowa. Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett pursues a private option Medicaid expansion, and so does Utah Gov. Gary Herbert. The allure of “free” money is too much to resist. It’s a bad deal for taxpayers.

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http://www.ocregister.com/articles/obamacare-612134-coverage-people.html

Michael F. Cannon: Obamacare makes it easier than ever to free-ride

Even if Obamacare really has enrolled 8 million Americans through its health insurance exchanges, that’s not good enough. For the exchanges to work, people must enroll and stay enrolled.

If too many enrollees drop out, premiums will climb until the exchanges collapse.

The experts are already worried. An estimated third of those who sign up for Exchange plans haven’t paid their first premium. In Texas, an estimated 58 percent haven't paid. As many as 5 percent stop paying after the first month. Rising premiums and skimpy coverage may lead even more enrollees to drop out.

But the most important factor might be that Obamacare itself makes it safer and more attractive than ever for healthy people to drop their coverage and wait until they get sick to re-enroll.

Before Obamacare, choosing not to buy health insurance, at least for a time, was already a pretty safe bet for most healthy people. You saved thousands of dollars per year, and the odds of having unmet medical needs or unpaid medical bills were low.

Under Obamacare, choosing not to buy health insurance can save you even more, and the downside is much, much smaller.

First, the savings. Obamacare increases premiums for healthy people – in some cases, even if you qualify for a subsidy. So dropping coverage will save you even more money than before. (You can avoid the toothless penalty for people who don’t obtain coverage by ensuring the IRS won’t owe you a refund.)

Second, Obamacare makes being uninsured a low-risk proposition than before. If you receive a serious diagnosis like diabetes or cancer while uninsured, Obamacare requires exchange plans to cover you, at the same premium as healthy people, no later than the following January. In many cases, you can get coverage even sooner. For example:

  • • If you live in one of the 25 or so states implementing Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, like California, you can get coverage immediately by temporarily reducing your income below 138 percent of the federal poverty level, about $16,000 for single adults. Once January rolls around, you can enroll in an exchange plan and boost your income back to where it was. Depending on how often the state verifies Medicaid eligibility, you could return to your previous income even sooner.

    • If you don’t live in a Medicaid-expansion state, you can get covered immediately by moving to one, like this Idaho family did.

    • If you’re pregnant, you can get exchange coverage for both you and your child effective the day your child is born. You can enroll while you recover in the maternity ward. If you prefer immediate coverage for prenatal care and such, you can use one of the above strategies to enroll in Medicaid.

    • Newly married couples can get exchange coverage beginning the first day of the month following their nuptials, or even sooner. Just as some married couples get “Medicaid divorces” to qualify for government nursing-home subsidies, we may soon see uninsured singles with a sudden need for coverage entering into “Obamacare marriages,” and then divorcing when they become eligible to enroll on their own in January.

    • If you move to another state, or even within your own state, you can get exchange coverage beginning in about a month or less.

    • If you’re under age 26, you may be able to get coverage before January under a parent’s health plan.
Los Angeles Times columnist Michael Hiltzik adds you can also get exchange coverage immediately by “get[ting] yourself fired.” But then he falsely accuses me of “advis[ing] Americans not to sign up for Obamacare because there's no downside to going without coverage.”

Are you kidding me? I want people to have stable, secure health insurance. I oppose Obamacare because it creates so many incentives for people to free-ride that insurance markets could collapse.

Before Obamacare, the downside of being uninsured was the small risk you might face a lifetime of unpaid medical bills. Hiltzik concedes the worst-case scenario under Obamacare is that you would need to cover a few months of medical bills.

The more Americans figure out that Obamacare has made free-riding safer than ever, the more exchange enrollments will fall, posing a serious threat to Obamacare’s future.
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http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/23/obamacare-creates-a-new-class-of-free-riders/#!
Obamacare creates a new class of free riders
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That's 2.45 million from ONLY the HHS web site and all that enrolled after March 15th were not due until April 30. Not quite Obama-math, but it's till a tricky number. Should force a response since I anticipate the House staff will ask for the May 1 data from the insurance companies.
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