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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
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Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,680 Views)
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Apr 10 2014, 11:49 AM
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http://hotair.com/archives/2014/04/09/study-yep-early-obamacare-enrollees-are-sicker-than-average/Study: Yep, early ObamaCare enrollees are sicker than averageTantalizing circumstantial evidence about the demographic mix in the new ObamaCare exchange risk pools. The more those pools are dominated by the old and sick, the higher premiums will have to be next year to cover the cost of their expensive treatments. The X factor here, though, is that the study includes data only from people whose coverage was in effect in January and February. All the sign-ups in March before the deadline are missing from the picture, an important detail since it’s widely assumed that lots of healthy young “knuckleheads” waited until the last minute to enroll. If that’s true then the early crush of sick people might be manageable; premiums paid by twentysomething latecomers who don’t need much medicare care will simply be applied to paying for the sick, easing costs next year. If it’s not true, premiums are headed up, up, and away, and O-Care’s in trouble. What makes this study significant, then, isn’t that it’s a surprise. No one’s surprised to find that the very ill rushed to get coverage once guaranteed issue went into effect. What makes it significant is that it seems to confirm that the healthy did, to some extent, hold back during early enrollment. Did they show up later or was that a bust too? Your health-care costs next year partly depend on the answer.
- People who signed up early for insurance through the new marketplaces were more likely to be prescribed drugs to treat pain, depression and H.I.V. and were less likely to need contraceptives, according to a new study that provides a much-anticipated look at the population that signed up for coverage under the new health care law…
Julie Huppert, vice president for health care reform at Express Scripts, said she expected to see the picture change as the year progressed. But she said this early glimpse was crucial for insurers, which were already setting their rates for next year…
The study found that six of the 10 most costly drugs in the marketplace plans, in terms of total spending, were specialty drugs, in contrast to four of the top 10 drugs in employer plans. The higher use of specialty drugs could point to additional health care costs, some said.
“The medication is only the tip of the iceberg,” said Daniel N. Mendelson, chief executive of the consulting firm Avalere Health. “What goes along with that is a need for physician visits and, often, hospitalizations associated with complications from the conditions.”
Here’s a quickie two-page breakdown from Express Scripts of their key findings. Note the table comparing conditions for which ObamaCare customers sought treatment to conditions treated among all other insured. Contraceptives are notably lower for O-Care users than for the rest of the population, a clue about the average age of the exchange risk pools circa March 1. More comparison details from Kaiser:
- -More than 6 in every 1,000 prescriptions were for an HIV drug, a rate four times that of employer plans.
-HIV/AIDS drugs Atripla and Truvada ranked in the top 10 for total amounts spent on drugs but did not hit the top 10 in spending among the comparison group.
-Sovaldi, an $84,000 treatment approved in December to treat hepatitis C, came in second for total spending, while it ranked No. 8 in the comparison group.
-The volume of pain medication was 35 percent higher; drugs to control seizures were 27 percent higher and antidepressants were 14 percent higher. Conversely, birth control prescriptions were 31 percent lower.
The Hepatitis C drug, in particular, is fantastically expensive at $1,000 per pill; the number of Americans with the disease is upwards of three million. That, in microcosm, is why O decided that bantering with Zach Galifianakis for a few minutes was worth doing. Anything he could do to get the attention, and later the money, of young invincibles by convincing them to sign up and help pay for all this was worth doing. Can’t wait to find out how he did when HHS finally releases the demographic data on enrollees. Then again, maybe there’s another way to keep costs down. In lieu of an exit question, via Jim Geraghty, I’ll leave you with this:
- As a proud new beneficiary of the Affordable Health Care Act, I’d like to report that I am doctorless. Ninety-six. Ninety-six is the number of soul crushing rejections that greeted me as I attempted to find one. It’s the number of physicians whose secretaries feigned empathy while rehearsing the “I’m so sorry” line before curtly hanging up. You see, when the rush of the formerly uninsured came knocking, doctors in my New Jersey town began closing their doors and promptly telling insurance companies that they had no room for new patients.
If the sign up totals are closer to Rands' count of 3.9M, 1.4M newly insured, it will just bump the premiums higher than it would if the HHS 7.5M was accurate.
Remember that the rules, before they're changed(!), require insurance companies to have estimated premium increases submitted before the end of June. The bailout requests, should they come about, will certainly come close to that same date.
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Apr 10 2014, 11:51 AM
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http://lab.express-scripts.com/insights/government-programs/first-look-health-exchange-medication-utilization
First Look: Health Exchange Medication Utilization
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Apr 10 2014, 12:21 PM
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I am been talking with a well educated 30 something who is going through a patch of rough financial times. The re-employment opportunities for her field are poor, as are many of her age group.. This person works hard looking for a job and I am familiar with others in her age group.They have the same problem. In the meantime they take part time jobs & piece work. The point her is they are not goofing off.
Healthcare is a big issue and she was a big supporter of Obama & Obamacare until she had to face the reality of getting covered once she was layed off & insurance ran out
My goodness what a bureaucracy! She is very computer literate and she has gotten so frustrated applying with the constant busy signals or dropped off sites. The California system still locks up & she can't get a straight answer is she covered. She has spent many hours. Finally she has received 5 letters from Govt Agencies but none say she is covered.
I am not worried about her because she will survive and eventually prosper, but my point is if a college educated person with an advanced degree who possesses organizing skills can't easily sign up, then Obama's Enrollments numbers are a complete lie.
I don't believe them just like I don't believe Obama. His great talent is lying
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Apr 10 2014, 02:24 PM
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Drudge...
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2014/04/10/Two-Studies-Raise-Red-Flags-Obamacare-s-First-Round Two New Studies Raise Red Flags on Obamacare
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Apr 10 2014, 02:38 PM
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http://bunkerville.wordpress.com/2014/04/10/sebelius-to-unleash-bounty-hunters-on-hospitals-and-doctors-with-new-edict/
This blog title caught my attention, but I have not yet had time to review it well. At first glance it reads like a nightmare for any providers of health care for the entitlement programs, which looks like that would detrimental to such programs. Surely they would not plan on owning the providers to solve such a problem.
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Apr 10 2014, 11:32 PM
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JOHNSON: Obamacare exit strategy brings endless waits on hold If you thought signing up for his health insurance was hard, try canceling
I never wanted to be a pawn in President Obama’s absurd and irresponsible attempt to mandate, regulate and complicate the American health care system. Unfortunately, there wasn’t much of a choice.
I was a casualty of Mr. Obama’s Big Lie. You know the one: “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.” By the time my plan vanished, the only individual health insurance plans available had been captured by the tentacles of Obamacare.
Signing up for insurance under Obamacare was harder than making sense of Donald Trump’s hair. It took more than 20 attempts over four days just to get on the “Health Insurance Marketplace” website and shop for insurance. The plan I found most similar to my canceled plan cost nearly $1,000 more a year, and my deductible increased from about $2,000 to more than $5,000. So I was forced to pay almost twice as much for a whole lot less insurance.
It’s surprising there’s not a link to buy a solid-gold eight-track player on the Healthcare.gov site — everything else for sale in Mr. Obama’s marketplace is also ridiculously overpriced and pretty much useless.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/apr/10/johnson-health-care-on-hold/
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Apr 11 2014, 09:07 AM
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http://time.com/58813/what-sebelius-left-undone/ What Sebelius Left Undone
They mention quite a few issues, but overlook some of the bigger ones. For instance there was nothing about figuring out how they'll pay the insurance companies the subsidies. At this time we're still on that "honor system."
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Apr 11 2014, 09:22 AM
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http://wapo.st/1jvsA5R Video
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/04/10/did-obama-warn-about-obamacare/
Did Obama warn about …Obamacare?
An extensive accounting of more than 50,000 commercials by Kantar Media’s Campaign Media Analysis Group, which tracks political advertising, has determined that the single most-aired campaign ad of the past 10 years was a 30-second spot for Sen. Barack Obama attacking Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) on his health-care plan. The ad featured a simple ball of yarn.
“We knew uncovering the details of McCain’s health care plan was a political imperative, but we needed to do it in a way that broke through the advertising clutter,” says AKPD Message and Media, which produced the ad. “We wanted an image that was unique and powerful enough to stick in voters’ heads, even if they were watching TV with the sound turned down.”
Douglas Holtz-Eakin, senior policy adviser to McCain, remembers the ad well. “I have PTSD from that ad,” he said. “I thought I saw it a thousand times a day. It left me just numb. I still see that yarn in my sleep.”
In 2008, our colleagues at FactCheck.org were not that impressed with the commercial’s claims, reviewing it as part of an article titled “Health Care Spin.” They noted that the ad highlighted the fact that McCain proposed a tax on health benefits but never mentioned that he also proposed a tax credit that, for many Americans, would offset any tax increase.
Of course, McCain did not become president. And Obama, who has argued against adopting an individual mandate, as proposed by Hillary Clinton, ended up embracing exactly that option—and even accepted a variation of an idea from McCain that he criticizes in this ad.
Politicians change their minds—and their policies—all the time, sometimes for political reasons but also because circumstances change. But within the benefit of hindsight, could McCain have made the same attack ad against Obama? The Truth Teller Video above also examines the claims.
“McCain would tax health benefits for the first time ever” Starting in 2018, the Affordable Care Act will impose a 40-percent excise tax, known as the “Cadillac tax,” on generous health plans, which is defined as a plan that exceeds an annual limit of $10,200 for an individual and $27,500 for a family. Proponents of the provision believe it will help hold down health-care costs.
McCain wanted to do away with the tax-free status of employer-provided health benefits entirely. (Employer-provided benefits is a bit of an accident of history: Companies began to extend health benefits in respond to government-imposed wage freezes in the 1950s.) So health benefits would have been taxed as ordinary income, but people would also have received a tax credit.
It’s not quite the same but certainly Obama is taxing health benefits for the first time.
“His plan would raise costs for employers offering health care, so your coverage would be reduced or dropped completely.” Though the Cadillac tax is not in effect yet, surveys show that companies are already redesigning their plans to avoid the looming tax.
“A survey by the International Foundation of Employees Benefits Plans (IFEBP) found that 16.8 percent of respondents had already started to redesign their health plans to avoid the “Cadillac” tax and 40 percent said they are considering action,” NBC News reported. “A survey of Fortune 1000 companies by Towers Watson, a top benefits consulting firm, found a much higher number. Sixty percent of the these major companies, which employ about 20 million American workers, say the looming excise tax is already having a ‘moderate’ or ‘significant’ influence on benefits decisions for 2014 and 2015.”
“McCain won’t require coverage for preexisting conditions” This was a point of real contention, as Obama said he would mandate coverage and McCain wanted to expand high-risk pools in many states that were designed to cover those who had been denied coverage or had high health-care costs. McCain’s proposal was a more free-market approach, given that relatively few people have extremely expensive medical problems. He figured it would be better to create special insurance pools, modeled on existing states pools, rather than force insurance companies to include them with everyone else. (The Post reported at the time the experience in the state pools was quite mixed.)
Obama did mandate coverage of pre-existing conditions as he promised, but he also adopted the concept of high-risk pools as a $5 billion transitional program between the adoption of the law in 2010 and the implementation of the Affordable Care Act in 2014.
The Bottom Line This ad is a textbook example of why no voter should cast ballots based on promises or claims made in campaign ads. Such ads serve more as a guide for the general direction a candidate might take, such as McCain wanting a more free-market approach and Obama advocating a more top-down government-managed system.
But if you are counting on the specifics to turn out to be true, don’t hold your breath. Even if your candidate wins, his warnings about the other side’s plans may turn out to be true.
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Apr 11 2014, 09:39 AM
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From that WaPo artickle The Bottom Line
This ad is a textbook example of why no voter should cast ballots based on promises or claims made in campaign ads. Such ads serve more as a guide for the general direction a candidate might take, such as McCain wanting a more free-market approach and Obama advocating a more top-down government-managed system.
But if you are counting on the specifics to turn out to be true, don’t hold your breath. Even if your candidate wins, his warnings about the other side’s plans may turn out to be true.
Obama's Promises on Joan's Pinned Thread http://s1.zetaboards.com/Liestoppers_meeting/topic/850999/2/#new
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Apr 11 2014, 12:52 PM
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From Sebelius thread, added here because it goes deeper than I realized...
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/2014/04/11/sebelius-resignation-may-create-more-problems-for-democrats-than-it-solves/Sebelius Resignation May Create More Problems For Democrats Than It Solves Michael F. CannonLast year, National Journal reporter Matthew Cooper waxed that despite the disastrous roll-out of HealthCare.gov, President Obama would retain Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius due to “a mutual affection that’s just strong enough to keep them bound together” plus “their shared love of basketball” and unspecified other “mystic chord[s) between the two lanky pols.” Well, the mystic chords weren’t enough, and Sebelius is on her way out the door. One might think this would help Democrats turn a corner on health care, but don’t count on it. President Obama’s pick to succeed Sebelius – Office of Management and Budget Director Sylvia Mathews Burwell — could face a brutal confirmation process, because she is his first and potentially only nominee to ObamaCare’s “death panel“: the Independent Payment Advisory Board. The last time senators suspected an Obama nominee of wanting to exercise IPAB-style powers over health care — i.e., Don Berwick’s ill-fated nomination to run Medicare and Medicaid — it was such a bloodbath that Democrats were afraid even to hold a vote. And Burwell would wield far more power than senators feared would fall into Berwick’s hands. By accepting Sebelius’ resignation, President Obama has given Republicans a weapon to use against vulnerable Democratic senators, and created more problems for the White House than if he had asked her just to stay put. From one perspective, Burwell seems like a safe choice. The Senate confirmed her as OMB director by a vote of 96-0. And since Senate Democrats eliminated the filibuster for such nominations, she would need only 51 votes this time around. Currently, 55 senators caucus with the Democrats. So Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) could let four vulnerable Democratic senators walk, and she would still prevail. But Burwell’s nomination is unlike any the Senate has ever considered before. Under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, if the Senate does not confirm any nominees to the Act’s 15-member Independent Payment Advisory Board, then all of the Board’s powers fall to the Secretary of Health and Human Services. And IPAB’s powers are considerable. The Board is an unconstitutional super-legislature. In some respects, its powers rival or exceed those of an entire chamber of Congress. As Diane Cohen and I explained in 2012:
- When the unelected government officials on this board submit a legislative proposal to Congress, it automatically becomes law: PPACA requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to implement it. Blocking an IPAB “proposal” requires at a minimum that the House and the Senate and the president agree on a substitute. The Board’s edicts therefore can become law without congressional action, congressional approval, meaningful congressional oversight, or being subject to a presidential veto. Citizens will have no power to challenge IPAB’s edicts in court.
Worse, PPACA forbids Congress from repealing IPAB outside of a seven-month window in the year 2017, and even then requires a three-fifths majority in both chambers. A heretofore unreported feature of PPACA dictates that if Congress misses that repeal window, PPACA prohibits Congress from ever altering an IPAB “proposal.” By restricting lawmaking powers of future Congresses, PPACA thus attempts to amend the Constitution by statute.
IPAB’s unelected members will have effectively unfettered power to impose taxes and ration care for all Americans, whether the government pays their medical bills or not. In some circumstances, just one political party or even one individual would have full command of IPAB’s lawmaking powers. IPAB truly is independent, but in the worst sense of the word. It wields power independent of Congress, independent of the president, independent of the judiciary, and independent of the will of the people.
The Senate has never confirmed someone to a position of such power. (IPAB didn’t exist when the Senate confirmed Sebelius.) President Obama hasn’t nominated anyone else to IPAB so far, and he’d probably be foolish to do so. Each nomination could face a Berwick-style bloodbath in the Senate. If any of his nominees somehow survived — a big “if” — the president would then have less influence over IPAB than under a scenario where the Board’s powers fell to an HHS Secretary who serves at his pleasure. So Burwell may be the only IPAB nominee we ever see from this president. Which is why senators will want to examine very closely Burwell’s views on IPAB, its powers, its constitutionality, and its relationship with Congress. I suggest Senate staffers use the Cohen-Cannon study to start compiling their lists of questions. (Other analyses either have missed that the PPACA purports to protect IPAB’s edicts from any congressional interference after 2020, or have made other basic interpretive errors.) The question confronting senators is, should Burwell be entrusted with more power than the entire Senate? IPAB’s ability to turn Democratic votes should not be underestimated. Howard Dean has railed against IPAB in the pages of the Wall Street Journal. Twenty-four House Democrats have cosponsored legislation to repeal it. So have two vulnerable Senate Democrats: Mark Pryor (Ark.) and Kay Hagan (N.C.). Many more would rather not have to cast a vote on the issue at all. President Obama may rue the day he accepted Kathleen Sebelius’ resignation. The Washington Post reports she will “remain until her successor is confirmed.” Instead of new leadership at HHS and a fresh start with ObamaCare, then, the president could find himself with the same old leadership and a politically damaging Senate fight over IPAB in an election year. Makes you wonder who the bad manager really was.
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Apr 11 2014, 12:57 PM
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http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/independent-payment-advisory-board-ppacas-anticonstitutional-authoritarian-superlegislatureThe Independent Payment Advisory Board: PPACA’s Anti-Constitutional and Authoritarian Super-Legislature By Diane Cohen and Michael F. CannonJune 14, 2012 When a member of Congress introduces legislation, the Constitution requires that legislative proposal to secure the approval of the House of Representatives, the Senate, and the president (unless Congress overrides a presidential veto) before it can become law. In all cases, either chamber of Congress may block it. In 2010, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) created the Independent Payment Advisory Board, or IPAB. When the unelected government officials on this board submit a legislative proposal to Congress, it automatically becomes law: PPACA requires the Secretary of Health and Human Services to implement it. Blocking an IPAB “proposal” requires at a minimum that the House and the Senate and the president agree on a substitute. The Board’s edicts therefore can become law without congressional action, congressional approval, meaningful congressional oversight, or being subject to a presidential veto. Citizens will have no power to challenge IPAB’s edicts in court. Worse, PPACA forbids Congress from repealing IPAB outside of a seven-month window in the year 2017, and even then requires a three-fifths majority in both chambers. A heretofore unreported feature of PPACA dictates that if Congress misses that repeal window, PPACA prohibits Congress from ever altering an IPAB “proposal.” By restricting lawmaking powers of future Congresses, PPACA thus attempts to amend the Constitution by statute. IPAB’s unelected members will have effectively unfettered power to impose taxes and ration care for all Americans, whether the government pays their medical bills or not. In some circumstances, just one political party or even one individual would have full command of IPAB’s lawmaking powers. IPAB truly is independent, but in the worst sense of the word. It wields power independent of Congress, independent of the president, independent of the judiciary, and independent of the will of the people. The creation of IPAB is an admission that the federal government’s efforts to plan America’s health care sector have failed. It is proof of the axiom that government control of the economy threatens democracy. IPAB may be the most anti-constitutional measure ever to pass Congress, and it is therefore tempting to dismiss IPAB as an absurdity that the body politic will soon reject. Until that occurs, IPAB will potentially empower just one unelected government official to impose any tax or regulation, to appropriate funds, and to wield other lawmaking powers.
Can Congress pass a law that is binding on future Congresses?
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Apr 12 2014, 10:38 AM
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What a mess to try to understand!
Death Panels (ObamaCare’s 15 member Independent Payment Advisory Board or IPAB)
I've been trying to get the basic idea how this works now that Sebelius is resigning. The IPAB doesn't really do anything unless CMS actuaries say the costs have risen above some estimated costs they'd previously reported and estimated.
Once the CMS actuaries provide a determination that we have something to worry about, IPAB then assembles proposals to cure the cause somehow (determine who will NOT get certain medical treatments). After some process they them implement those new rules. That's 3 basic steps: determination >proposals >implement
If Barry gets any of the 15 potential members approved, even just one, he has control of IPAB until at least 2020 (absent a court ruling differently). If none are approved, the Secretary of HHS is in charge of IPAB, actually is the entire IPAB board then. Of course Barry would rather just select members to serve through 2020, but who knows what will happen (probably between election and next January when newly elected Congressmen take office).
I'm uncertain whether or not the IPAB (or Secretary of HHS) can assemble any proposals to be implemented absent a determination. But the proposal could involve raising taxes, rationing care, and/or appropriating funds to HHS without Congress having any say in it. (link to independent summary) (that's one Congress telling future Congress what they can't do)
...and I'm still trying to figure out how the fed can tell the farmer how much corn he can't grow to feed his own livestock!
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Apr 12 2014, 11:33 AM
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http://m.washingtonexaminer.com/hhs-rule-would-further-tighten-noose-on-individual-insurance-market/article/2547121HHS rule would further tighten noose on individual insurance market BY: Philip Klein President Obama's health care law vastly expanded the role of the federal government in regulating health insurance, a job that has traditionally been left to state governments. Fearing that individuals might exploit an exception in the existing regulations, the Department of Health and Human Services has proposed a new rule that would further tighten the noose. As most people know, under Obamacare, individuals must either purchase a federally-approved insurance policy or pay a penalty. The problem is, because Obamacare policies must provide a mandated set of benefits, they generally cost more. That makes them less attractive to healthier Americans with fewer medical needs. There is, however, another option available to people who don't want to purchase comprehensive insurance, but want some modicum of coverage. Called “fixed-indemnity insurance,” these policies, in states where they’re available, pay beneficiaries a predetermined amount for certain medical costs. The policies do not comply with Obamacare, so beneficiaries are still subject to the individual mandate penalties. But because they can have significantly lower monthly premiums (think around $70 per month), it may be cheaper for individuals to purchase these non-compliant policies – even after taking into account the mandate. With these policies achieving more attention and growing in popularity as individuals sought a way out of Obamacare, the scrutiny rose. Many liberals attacked these plans as a loophole within Obamacare, arguing that they were being marketed deceptively so that individuals would buy them thinking they were covered just as with regular insurance. But the plans are exempted from Obamacare's annual limit caps and because they only pay out a fixed amount, they can leave policyholders with an expensive stack of bills in the event of major medical losses. HHS responded last month with a proposed rule that would only allow these plans to be exempted from Obamacare’s rules if individuals purchase them in tandem with another policy that is compliant with Obamacare. For instance, if you purchase qualifying insurance through an exchange that carries a higher deductible, you can still purchase a fixed-indemnity policy to help out with some of your out-of-pocket costs. But the plans would no longer be available to individuals looking to get around Obamacare by simply buying a bare-bones, non-compliant policy and paying the penalty. In addition to taking away another choice remaining to individuals, the rule would represent a further expansion of federal power over the health insurance market.
They're hangin' quite a few out to dry for a small increase in YOUNG enrollees.
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Apr 12 2014, 12:00 PM
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Sarah Palin's Facebook Post
You just can't make this stuff up.
President Obama just appointed Sylvia Burwell to take over Obamacare, the disastrous beast under which our entire health care system and 1/6 of our nation's economy is forever fundamentally transformed.
Remember last year when America's war memorials, national parks, patriotic amenities, student White House tours, etc. were shut down because the Obama administration's spending priorities are so out of whack? Americans were told the Federal government didn't have enough of our tax dollars to allow WWII vets to walk across a public sidewalk to visit a statue honoring these heroes. This, during the "shutdown" when crony capitalism, earmarks, and waste and fraud continued to fill the swamp. This, while the first family continued to live elaborately large and some in Congress had the gall to whine that they aren't paid enough. This, while the people's will continued to be arrogantly ignored.
What a cold and callous bureaucrat it was who'd direct that quite revealing fiasco, an episode over which the Obama Administration never recovered in the court of public opinion.
Who would do such a thing? Who would punish patriotic Americans? Who sent the email initiating all this?
The political operative Sylvia Burwell.
It's Sylvia's stain on the ash heap of history. And along with Sylvia's stain comes her disturbing, punitive priorities as she takes over our health care coverage. Yeah, nothing can go wrong with that.
You can't make this stuff up.
- Sarah Palin
Sounds like somebody read Tony
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Death Panels
I forgot to mention this relates to Medicare cost control to help get those "savings" passed along to help cover Obamacare.
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