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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
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Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,685 Views)
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kbp
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Apr 1 2014, 11:46 AM
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 ...and it will only cost us trillions.
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Apr 1 2014, 02:06 PM
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Speaking of April Fools Day...
President Obama will deliver a statement on the Affordable Care Act Tuesday at 4:15 p.m. EDT
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Apr 1 2014, 02:19 PM
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Carney reported 7,041,000 signed up before midnight.
I guess they got the program fixed well enough to keep a running count just in time to announce success!
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Apr 1 2014, 03:21 PM
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Obama just announced 7.1 million. Is that the seasonally adjusted figure?
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kbp
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Apr 1 2014, 05:40 PM
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http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/31/Obamacare-and-the-80-20-Rule...Adding young adults to their parents insurance has long been one of the most popular and least contentious elements of Obamacare. In fact, prior to Obamacare 10 states--New Jersey, Colorado, Illinois, New Mexico, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Connecticut, Illinois and Florida-- had already passed laws which allowed young adults to stay on their parents insurance, in some cases up to age 30.
The government decided that's what the other 40 states wanted!
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Apr 1 2014, 05:56 PM
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'The debate over repealing this law is over': Obama boasts 7.1 MILLION have signed up to Obamacare - but study shows just 858,000 newly insured Americans have paid up!
...Numbers from a RAND Corporation study that has been kept under wraps suggest that barely 858,000 previously uninsured Americans – nowhere near 7.1 million – have paid for new policies and joined the ranks of the insured by Monday night.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2594309/President-plans-victory-lap-strong-Obamacare-enrollment-Sebelius-faces-unpopular-law-blank-stare-tough-questions-remain-whos-signing-up.html#ixzz2xg7Eyhat Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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Apr 1 2014, 07:05 PM
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Krauthammer’s Take: 7.1 Million Enrollees a ‘Phony Number’
President Obama announced today that 7.1 million Americans have enrolled on health-insurance plans through Obamacare, a number that is “wonderfully precise,” according to Charles Krauthammer. “These guys go six months without any idea what the numbers are, and all of a sudden it’s to a decimal point.”
However, Krauthammer also thinks the 7.1 million enrollees touted by the administration is a “phony number” because we don’t know how many of that 7.1 million have paid for their insurance or how many were previously uninsured.
“If it turns out that the overwhelming majority of the so-called 7.1 were people who had health insurance, liked their health insurance, were renewing their health insurance, and got kicked off their health insurance,” Krauthammer said, “whose lives are disrupted, premiums are raised, deductibles are raised, and lost their doctors are now among the 7.1, so it’s a net negative.”
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/374781/krauthammers-take-71-million-enrollees-phony-number-nro-staff?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZE65KjsBOE
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Apr 1 2014, 07:57 PM
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http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/04/a-famous-victory-for-obamacare.php
A Famous Victory For Obamacare?
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Apr 2 2014, 09:26 AM
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Bang for bucks: Best and worst Obamacare exchanges
The nearest part of the U.S. mainland to Hawaii is California—but the Aloha State couldn't be farther away from the Golden State when it comes to getting the most out of federal money to enroll people in Obamacare.
Hawaii's Obamacare exchange, which has been allocated more than $205 million in federal funds, had signed up just 5,744 people in private insurance plans as of last Friday —the lowest enrollment tally in the nation.
That works out to $35,749 in allocated federal dollars per private plan enrollee—making the Hawaii Health Connector the least efficient state-run exchange by that metric as well. Federal dollars spent per Obamacare enrollee

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101535541
What a Bargain!
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kbp
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Apr 2 2014, 10:13 AM
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Add that to the cost for the exchange system to insure the uninsured. It looks to be between $75,000 and $150,000 each, going with 1 million to 2 million. I hope to see this cost narrowed down and used in the campaigns.
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kbp
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Apr 2 2014, 01:19 PM
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That's a lot of advertising for an exchange that never worked and did not sign a single person up for Obamacare.
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Apr 2 2014, 01:29 PM
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Whatever we cant afford, we will print.
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kbp
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Apr 2 2014, 02:01 PM
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http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA658.htmlA Slacking Figure: Despite What President Obama and the Los Angeles Times Say, 3.1 Million Young Adults Have Not Received Coverage via Their Parents' Insuranceby David Hogberg, Ph.D. Yesterday President Obama claimed that "more than 3 million young adults... have gained insurance under this law by staying on their family's plan."1 Indeed, the number of young people who can now stay on their parents' insurance plans until age 26—the so-called "slacker mandate"—is one of the most oft-repeated ObamaCare statistics. The Los Angeles Times used it in a recent article to claim that because of ObamaCare "at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage."2 That included not only the 3.1 million young adults who are covered by their parents' plans but also about 2 million on the exchanges and 4.5 million on Medicaid. The exchange and Medicaid numbers are highly problematic and have been challenged elsewhere.3 Yet the 3.1 million young adults figure seems nearly infallible. For example, when disputing the Medicaid numbers back in January, Ezra Klein claimed, "The 3.1 million young adults who got coverage through the new insurance regulations is a pretty reliable figure."4 Well, no, it's not. The 3.1 million figure comes from a June 2012 report from the Department of Health and Human Services.5 The slacker mandate went into effect in late September 2010. Using data from the Center for Disease Control's National Health Interview Survey, HHS estimated that the number of 19-25-year-olds with insurance was about 64.4 percent in the third quarter of 2010 and was 74.8 percent in the last quarter of 2011. HHS took that increase of 10.4 percent and multiplied it with the number of 19-25-year-olds in the U.S. in 2011—about 29.7 million according to the Census Bureau—which yielded 3.1 million. (Note: The 29.7 million figure actually refers to the number of 18-24-year-olds in the U.S. in 2010.6 HHS apparently assumed there was that same number of 19-25-year-olds in the U.S. one year later, in 2011.) The actual data in the National Health Interview Survey7 shows serious shortcomings of the HHS approach:  The increase in the number of insured 19-25-year-olds came from both private insurance and public sources such as Medicaid. To get a more accurate assessment of young adults on their parents' policies, the HHS should have restricted its calculation to the increase in private coverage, which was 9.5 percent. Multiplied against 29.7 million yields 2.8 million, not 3.1 million. Still, 2.8 million is nothing to sneeze at. However, what's curious is that HHS hasn't updated its analysis since June 2012. The June 2012 analysis was an update from a December 2011 report8 that found 2.5 million 19-25-year-olds had gained coverage, which was itself an update on the 1 million figure from a September 2011 report.9 A look at the most recent data10 on 19-25-year-olds from the National Health Interview Survey shows why HHS hasn't released an update in over 21 months:  The number of insured 19-25-year-olds had declined by the third quarter of 2012. Private coverage had dropped by 2.1 percent. Multiply that against the roughly 30 million 19-25-year-olds in the U.S. in 2012, and the number of young people on their parents' policies declined by about 600,000, to 2.2 million. Apparently the slacker mandate is losing its effectiveness. There are other reasons to be suspicious of the 3.1 million figure. For starters, it doesn't jibe with Census Bureau numbers.11 The Census Bureau shows that from 2009, the year before the slacker mandate began, to 2012, the number of uninsured 18-24-year-olds declined by about 976,000. But not all of those went onto their parents' insurance. For that age group, Medicaid enrollment grew 271,000 and employer-based coverage increased 447,000 during that same period. That would mean that those newly insured by joining their parents' coverage were at most 258,000. The huge difference between the two surveys isn't easy to explain. Undoubtedly part of the explanation is found in the fact that the Census Bureau asks about insurance status only in its surveys from February to April while the National Health Interview Survey asks about it year round. Also contributing to the discrepancy is that neither survey specifically asks a young adult if he or she received coverage via his or her parents' insurance. That said, the biggest source of confusion is found in HHS's methods. What HHS did amounts to little more than a "back of the envelope" calculation. To really get at how many young adults are newly covered under their parents' policies would require surveys asking very detailed questions about the source of insurance. It would probably also require more sophisticated statistical analysis that could estimate the impact of the slacker mandate while controlling for other factors such as the economy and Medicaid enrollment. As it stands, all we have is an estimate of the number of young adults who gained coverage via their parents that is unreliable—far too unreliable for major newspapers to be repeating it. David Hogberg, Ph. D., is senior fellow for health care policy at the National Center for Public Policy Research. Footnotes: 1 "Obama Transcript: Health Law Is 'Here to Stay,'" Wall Street Journal, April 1, 2014, at http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/04/01/obama-transcript-health-law-is-here-to-stay/ (April 1, 2014).
2 Noam N. Levey, "Obamacare has led to health coverage for millions more people," The Los Angeles Times, March 30, 2014, at http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-20140331,0,6550360,full.story#axzz2xXzWcpAY (March 31, 2014).
3 Sandhya Somashekar and Lena H. Sun, "Fewer than 2 million signed up for Medicaid under the health law, report says," The Washington Post, February 5, 2014, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/fewer-than-2-million-signed-up-for-medicaid-under-the-health-law-report-says/2014/02/05/4ac63f3c-8e78-11e3-b227-12a45d109e03_story.html (March 30, 2014); Glenn Kessler, "Durbin's claim that 10 million now have health insurance because of Obamacare" The Washington Post, February 10, 2014, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/02/10/durbins-claim-that-10-million-now-have-health-insurance-because-of-obamacare/ (March 30, 2014); Sean Trende, "4 Million Medicaid Enrollees Under Obamacare? Doubtful," Real Clear Politics, January 7, 2014, at http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2014/01/07/4_million_medicaid_enrollees_under_obamacare_121146.html (March 30, 20140); and David Hogberg, "Why Should The Administration Put Out Propaganda About ObamaCare When The L.A. Times Will Do It For Them?" Amy Ridenour's National Center Blog, National Center for Public Policy Research, March 31, 2014, at http://www.conservativeblog.org/amyridenour/2014/3/31/why-should-the-administration-put-out-propaganda-about-obama.html (March 31, 2014).
4 Ezra Klein, "Has Obamacare really signed up 10 million people?" The Washington Post, January 6, 2014, at http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/06/has-obamacare-really-signed-up-10-million-people/ (March 30, 2014).
5 Benjamin D. Sommers, "Number of Young Adults Gaining Insurance Due To The Affordable Care Act Now Tops 3 Million," ASPE Issue Brief, Office of the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, June 19, 2012, at http://aspe.hhs.gov/aspe/gaininginsurance/rb.pdf (March 28, 2014).
6 Carmen DeNavas-Walt, Bernadette D. Proctor and Jessica C. Smith, "Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2010," P60-239, Current Population Reports, U.S. Census Bureau, September 2011, Table C-3, p. 83.
7 Robin A. Cohen and Michael E. Martinez, "Health Insurance Coverage: Early Release of Estimates From the National Health Interview Survey, 2011," National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control, June 2012, Table 8, p. 23.
8 Benjamin D. Sommers and Karyn Schwartz, "2.5 Million Young Adults Gain Health Insurance Due To The Affordable Care Act," ASPE Issue Brief, Office of the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, December 14, 2011, at http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2011/youngadultsaca/ib.pdf (March 28, 2012).
9 "One Million Young Adults Gain Health Insurance In 2011 Because Of The Affordable Care Act," ASPE Issue Brief, Office of the Assistant Secretary for Planning and Evaluation, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, September 21, 2011, at http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2011/dependentcoverage/ib.pdf (March 28, 2012).
10 Robin A. Cohen and Michael E. Martinez, "Health Insurance Coverage: Early Release of Estimates From the National Health Interview Survey, January-September 2012," National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control, March 2013, Table 8, p. 25.
11 Carmen DeNavas-Walt, Bernadette D. Proctor and Jessica C. Smith, "Income, Poverty, and Health Insurance Coverage in the United States: 2012," P60-245, Current Population Reports, U.S. Census Bureau, September 2013, Table C-3, p. 73.
In addition to the lies and twisted truths, there were 10 states that already had the law. There was 2 or 3 that enacted the law near the time Obamacare became law. I'm not sure what that does to the numbers, if anything, but it clearly illustrates that the federal government is not needed to mandate for the people what they want or need.
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kbp
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Apr 2 2014, 03:04 PM
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/02/Rand-Study-Vast-Majority-of-Obamacare-Enrollees-Already-Had-Insurance
RAND STUDY: VAST MAJORITY OF OBAMACARE 'ENROLLEES' ALREADY HAD INSURANCE
An unreleased study by the Rand Corporation reportedly reveals that only "about one-third" of the 7.04 million Obamacare enrollees the White House is claiming were people who were previously uninsured.
The Los Angeles Times reported on the study and is the only news outlet so far that has seen the secret Rand study. Moreover, a McKinsey & Co. study says that just 53% of the previously uninsured have paid their first premium and activated their coverage. That would mean that just 1.2 million of those the White House calls "enrollees" are actually paying Obamacare customers who were previously uninsured.
Obamacare's purported purpose was to provide coverage for America's 48.6 million uninsured people. Based on the Rand study, Obamacare has provided private insurance for only 2.5% of America's uninsured.
The highly unpopular Obamacare program has Democratic strategists and candidates scrambling for cover. One prominent Democratic pollster told Politico that the best thing Democrats can do is change the subject. "The less we're talking about Obamacare, the better off we are," said the pollster.
The latest Associated Press poll shows Obamacare has hit an all-time low approval rating of just 26%.
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kbp
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Apr 2 2014, 03:17 PM
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/01/Obama-Declares-There-s-No-Good-Reason-to-Go-Back-Claims-WH-Didn-t-Market-Obamacare OBAMA...CLAIMS WH DIDN'T TRY HARD TO MARKET OBAMACARE
That mandate for those with cancelled plans to purchase new plans seems like quite an effort to merely transfer which market those people got their plans from.
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