| Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare | |
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| Baldo | Mar 31 2014, 03:20 PM Post #286 |
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Cleveland Clinic CEO: Three-Quarters Of Americans Who Signed Up For Obamacare Now Have Higher Premiums CLEVELAND (CBS Cleveland/AP) — The CEO of the Cleveland Clinic says that a majority of Americans who signed up for Obamacare have seen their premiums rise. “About three-quarters of them find that their premiums are higher than they had been previously with other insurance,” Toby Cosgrove told Fox News. Cosgrove explained that the Affordable Care Act is having a “major effect” upon health care providers. “We know for example that we’re going to get paid less for what we do,” Cosgrove stated. “Hospitals are going to be paid less for what they do. We also know that insurers are paying less for what we do.” Cosgrove said providers need to “become more efficient” in how they deliver health care. The White House says more than 6 million have signed up for health coverage, meaning the administration met its scaled back goal a few days early. Those without health insurance face a fine of $95 or 1 percent of their income....snipped http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/cleveland-clinic-ceo-three-quarters-of-americans-who-signed-up-for-obamacare-now-have-higher-premiums/ Hello Suckers! Thanks for the Votes. It was so "Easy-Peasy' |
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| kbp | Mar 31 2014, 03:23 PM Post #287 |
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Those who pay 100% of their premium, like you, are only a small percentage. The ones getting screwed are taxpayers and policy holders not getting a subsidy ...and those hoping to keep their doctor after signing up for Obamacare. |
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| LTC8K6 | Mar 31 2014, 03:24 PM Post #288 |
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“We know for example that we’re going to get paid less for what we do,” Cosgrove stated. “Hospitals are going to be paid less for what they do. We also know that insurers are paying less for what we do.” Then why are premiums rising? |
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| kbp | Mar 31 2014, 03:26 PM Post #289 |
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Regulations dictating what the policies must cover. |
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| kbp | Mar 31 2014, 03:33 PM Post #290 |
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Medicai expansion and under 26 on family policy account for 80% of the newly insured HHS is claiming! |
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| kbp | Mar 31 2014, 03:42 PM Post #291 |
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I know the number used to be 46 million, so I assume the 48.6 million represents and increase in the number from the time Obamacare started to when the web site opened. |
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| LTC8K6 | Mar 31 2014, 03:55 PM Post #292 |
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It could be lucrative if you are young and your employer gives you money for insurance. Don't buy insurance with it... |
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| kbp | Mar 31 2014, 04:00 PM Post #293 |
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http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/31/Obamacare-and-the-80-20-Rule Obamacare and the 80-20 Rule The 80-20 rule, also known as the Pareto Principle, says that 80 percent of results are often the result of just 20 percent of actions. That seems to be the case with Obamacare. New data suggests that 80 percent of the newly insured came from just two changes made under the law. New data published by the LA Times shows that 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained insurance under Obamacare. Nearly half, 4.5 million, were the result of the Medicaid expansion which raised eligibility to 138% of the federal poverty line. This expansion was always expected to add millions to the Medicaid rolls as well as drum up people who had been previously eligible but had not signed up for various reasons. And since Medicaid recipients get their care for free, there was no need for an individual mandate to force them to purchase it. The next largest group of newly insured, according to the data published by the Times, came from young adults joining their parents insurance up to age twenty-six. This group accounts for 3 million of the 9.5 million total. Adding young adults to their parents insurance has long been one of the most popular and least contentious elements of Obamacare. In fact, prior to Obamacare 10 states--New Jersey, Colorado, Illinois, New Mexico, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Connecticut, Illinois and Florida-- had already passed laws which allowed young adults to stay on their parents insurance, in some cases up to age 30. The remaining 2 million newly insured came through the Obamacare exchanges. That's about a third of the 6 million plus the administration claims have signed up. The actual number will be 20 percent lower because some people won't actually pay a premium, but the percentage of previously uninsured should be similar. If the new data is accurate, about 7.5 million of the 9.5 million newly insured (79 percent) got their insurance through two changes that could have been made with far less disruption. All the millions of cancellations, the broken website, the changing deadlines, the President's lies about keeping plans and doctors people liked--we might have had 80 percent of the gain with significantly less pain. |
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| kbp | Mar 31 2014, 06:07 PM Post #294 |
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The web site does not ask if you had insurance, so we may never know how many newly insured. |
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| kbp | Apr 1 2014, 08:34 AM Post #295 |
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I've heard two people mention that the exchange is only producing about 1 million newly insured. It would be nice to see a cost per newly insured. The fact that the administration wrote regulations solely to assemble the majority of their exchange market, that they are the reason for cancellations that created millions of customers for Obamacare, should also be a talking point. |
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| Baldo | Apr 1 2014, 10:48 AM Post #296 |
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Healthcare Premiums Will Skyrocket (Again) This Year – Dick Morris http://www.dickmorris.com/healthcare-premiums-will-skyrocket-again-this-year-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports |
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| kbp | Apr 1 2014, 10:58 AM Post #297 |
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Most articles I'm reading tend to take the enrollment count as an accomplishment which shifts the burden over to the Republicans to present a better plan now if they disapprove of Obamacare. The Affordable Care Act was sold to insure the uninsured, while reducing the premium costs for the entire nation. Even going with the wildest head count - including the under 26, Medicaid and exchange customers - the newly insured only represents about 2-4% of the US population, while adding a cost to the nation in the multi-trillions. It's unbelievable that there is even a debate about this. The CBO tells us it will cost $1.8 trillion, which is $1.1 trillion for the Exchange and $o.7 trillion for Medicaid Expansion. The Medicaid Expansion costs includes a percentage for operating costs that would not have been in place had they just adjusted the income qualification instead of making it a part of Obamacare. Even with that added expense, it's still cheaper to per person to give away coverage through Medicaid Expansion than it is to provide coverage through the Obamacare exchange system. Going back to May 2013, which had lower cost number than the latest out, the CBO records gave us what I'd call their best-case-scenario for the "Effects On Insurance Coverage" that show a "Change" and costs as follows: Medicaid 13 million newly insured for a cost of $o.710 trillion Exchange 12 million newly insured for a cost of $1.089 trillion That is so upside down and expensive. It costs more to subsidize coverage than it does to pay for coverage with this UNaffordable system. It's NOT proof national health care would be cheaper, it's proof federal regulation increases costs. The Democrats own these numbers. The better plan is to just repeal it and let states regulate their insurance. Edited by kbp, Apr 1 2014, 11:55 AM.
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| kbp | Apr 1 2014, 11:03 AM Post #298 |
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The goal of the Democrats has to be splitting the Obamacare into multiple issues to debate. This avoids the cost of the big picture and adds partial success to parts of the argument. |
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| kbp | Apr 1 2014, 11:05 AM Post #299 |
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Fox just made the point that it took us days (about 45 days) to get the head count for Exchange enrollment, but now they had it ready within minutes of the deadline passing! |
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| kbp | Apr 1 2014, 11:32 AM Post #300 |
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Think of this as just a part of the "Medicare Savings" that will help pay for Obamacare...
That's a swift kick to the older folks just prior to the election. This year we also saw increases in income subject to Medicare tax and the Net Investment Income Tax. |
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