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Healthcare Bill Part III; Obamacare
Topic Started: Mar 3 2014, 02:20 PM (48,686 Views)
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Cleveland Clinic CEO: Three-Quarters Of Americans Who Signed Up For Obamacare Now Have Higher Premiums

CLEVELAND (CBS Cleveland/AP) — The CEO of the Cleveland Clinic says that a majority of Americans who signed up for Obamacare have seen their premiums rise.

“About three-quarters of them find that their premiums are higher than they had been previously with other insurance,” Toby Cosgrove told Fox News.

Cosgrove explained that the Affordable Care Act is having a “major effect” upon health care providers.

“We know for example that we’re going to get paid less for what we do,” Cosgrove stated. “Hospitals are going to be paid less for what they do. We also know that insurers are paying less for what we do.”

Cosgrove said providers need to “become more efficient” in how they deliver health care.

The White House says more than 6 million have signed up for health coverage, meaning the administration met its scaled back goal a few days early.

Those without health insurance face a fine of $95 or 1 percent of their income....snipped

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/cleveland-clinic-ceo-three-quarters-of-americans-who-signed-up-for-obamacare-now-have-higher-premiums/


Hello Suckers! Thanks for the Votes. It was so "Easy-Peasy'
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Mar 31 2014, 03:13 PM
What about those of us who, having been dumped onto the market, signed up and paid in mid-November?

Do we get the chump prize?
Those who pay 100% of their premium, like you, are only a small percentage. The ones getting screwed are taxpayers and policy holders not getting a subsidy ...and those hoping to keep their doctor after signing up for Obamacare.
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“We know for example that we’re going to get paid less for what we do,” Cosgrove stated. “Hospitals are going to be paid less for what they do. We also know that insurers are paying less for what we do.”

Then why are premiums rising?
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Mar 31 2014, 03:24 PM
“We know for example that we’re going to get paid less for what we do,” Cosgrove stated. “Hospitals are going to be paid less for what they do. We also know that insurers are paying less for what we do.”

Then why are premiums rising?
Regulations dictating what the policies must cover.
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Medicai expansion and under 26 on family policy account for 80% of the newly insured HHS is claiming!
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/03/31/Obamacare-Real-Enrollment-Just-1-7-of-Uninsured-Covered

OBAMACARE REAL ENROLLMENT: JUST 1.7% OF UNINSURED COVERED

Obamacare, the plan purportedly created to provide health coverage for the uninsured, has enrolled just 1.7% of America's 48.6 million uninsured.

News of the disastrous numbers comes as nervous Democrats and President Barack Obama, ahead of the November midterm elections, did their best on Monday's enrollment deadline to put a positive spin on the deeply unpopular Obamacare program. The latest Associated Press poll finds that Obamacare has now hit an all-time low approval rating of just 26 percent.

The White House now claims an Obamacare enrollment figure of six million people. However, according to The New York Times, at least 20% of those never paid their premiums to activate coverage, leaving them uninsured. That drops the number down to 4.8 million.

Next, as Washington Post columnist Ed Rogers notes, "the official HHS numbers still include duplicate enrollments." No one knows how many duplicate enrollments are in the stack; the White House refuses to say. However, given the disastrous Obamacare website failures, it is reasonable to imagine that the pile is riddled with numerous "false start" applications.

That leaves the most important question: How many people are gaining insurance who were previously uninsured? After all, that was the stated reason for Obamacare in the first place. McKinsey & Co. says that only 27% of those who have picked a plan through Obamacare were previously uninsured.

Moreover, McKinsey says these individuals have an unusually high rate of failing to pay their first month's premium. "Only 53 percent of them had paid their first premium, compared with 86 percent of the previously insured," reports CNBC.

Even conceding the White House its alleged six million enrollment figure (which, again, includes duplicates and incomplete applications), that would mean that just 810,000 of paying Obamacare customers were previously uninsured, a figure that represents 1.7% of America's 48.6 million uninsured people.

Indeed, most of those the White House counts as Obamacare enrollees are among the five million who had their health insurance plans canceled due to Obamacare.

Obamacare has taken a severe toll on President Obama's approval rating. The latest Associated Press poll reveals that his disapproval rating has now hit an all-time high of 59%. As one Democratic member of Congress told The New York Times, Obama is "poisonous" to Democrats running in the November 4th midterm elections.

Americans head to the polls in 218 days.

I know the number used to be 46 million, so I assume the 48.6 million represents and increase in the number from the time Obamacare started to when the web site opened.
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It could be lucrative if you are young and your employer gives you money for insurance. Don't buy insurance with it...
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http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2014/03/31/Obamacare-and-the-80-20-Rule

Obamacare and the 80-20 Rule

The 80-20 rule, also known as the Pareto Principle, says that 80 percent of results are often the result of just 20 percent of actions. That seems to be the case with Obamacare. New data suggests that 80 percent of the newly insured came from just two changes made under the law.

New data published by the LA Times shows that 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained insurance under Obamacare. Nearly half, 4.5 million, were the result of the Medicaid expansion which raised eligibility to 138% of the federal poverty line. This expansion was always expected to add millions to the Medicaid rolls as well as drum up people who had been previously eligible but had not signed up for various reasons. And since Medicaid recipients get their care for free, there was no need for an individual mandate to force them to purchase it.

The next largest group of newly insured, according to the data published by the Times, came from young adults joining their parents insurance up to age twenty-six. This group accounts for 3 million of the 9.5 million total.

Adding young adults to their parents insurance has long been one of the most popular and least contentious elements of Obamacare. In fact, prior to Obamacare 10 states--New Jersey, Colorado, Illinois, New Mexico, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Connecticut, Illinois and Florida-- had already passed laws which allowed young adults to stay on their parents insurance, in some cases up to age 30.

The remaining 2 million newly insured came through the Obamacare exchanges. That's about a third of the 6 million plus the administration claims have signed up. The actual number will be 20 percent lower because some people won't actually pay a premium, but the percentage of previously uninsured should be similar.

If the new data is accurate, about 7.5 million of the 9.5 million newly insured (79 percent) got their insurance through two changes that could have been made with far less disruption. All the millions of cancellations, the broken website, the changing deadlines, the President's lies about keeping plans and doctors people liked--we might have had 80 percent of the gain with significantly less pain.
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The web site does not ask if you had insurance, so we may never know how many newly insured.
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I've heard two people mention that the exchange is only producing about 1 million newly insured. It would be nice to see a cost per newly insured.

The fact that the administration wrote regulations solely to assemble the majority of their exchange market, that they are the reason for cancellations that created millions of customers for Obamacare, should also be a talking point.
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Healthcare Premiums Will Skyrocket (Again) This Year – Dick Morris

http://www.dickmorris.com/healthcare-premiums-will-skyrocket-again-this-year-dick-morris-tv-lunch-alert/?utm_source=dmreports&utm_medium=dmreports&utm_campaign=dmreports


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Most articles I'm reading tend to take the enrollment count as an accomplishment which shifts the burden over to the Republicans to present a better plan now if they disapprove of Obamacare.

The Affordable Care Act was sold to insure the uninsured, while reducing the premium costs for the entire nation. Even going with the wildest head count - including the under 26, Medicaid and exchange customers - the newly insured only represents about 2-4% of the US population, while adding a cost to the nation in the multi-trillions.

It's unbelievable that there is even a debate about this. The CBO tells us it will cost $1.8 trillion, which is $1.1 trillion for the Exchange and $o.7 trillion for Medicaid Expansion. The Medicaid Expansion costs includes a percentage for operating costs that would not have been in place had they just adjusted the income qualification instead of making it a part of Obamacare.

Even with that added expense, it's still cheaper to per person to give away coverage through Medicaid Expansion than it is to provide coverage through the Obamacare exchange system.

Going back to May 2013, which had lower cost number than the latest out, the CBO records gave us what I'd call their best-case-scenario for the "Effects On Insurance Coverage" that show a "Change" and costs as follows:

Medicaid
13 million newly insured for a cost of $o.710 trillion

Exchange
12 million newly insured for a cost of $1.089 trillion

That is so upside down and expensive. It costs more to subsidize coverage than it does to pay for coverage with this UNaffordable system. It's NOT proof national health care would be cheaper, it's proof federal regulation increases costs.

The Democrats own these numbers.

The better plan is to just repeal it and let states regulate their insurance.
Edited by kbp, Apr 1 2014, 11:55 AM.
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Apr 1 2014, 10:48 AM
The goal of the Democrats has to be splitting the Obamacare into multiple issues to debate. This avoids the cost of the big picture and adds partial success to parts of the argument.
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Fox just made the point that it took us days (about 45 days) to get the head count for Exchange enrollment, but now they had it ready within minutes of the deadline passing!
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Think of this as just a part of the "Medicare Savings" that will help pay for Obamacare...
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http://www.thenewsstar.com/article/20140304/NEWS01/303040033/Medicare-Advantage-rate-cuts-expected-2015

...Final Medicare Advantage payment rates will be announced April 7. Seniors would see impacts of new payment cuts in late October during the 2015 Medicare Advantage enrollment period.

That's a swift kick to the older folks just prior to the election. This year we also saw increases in income subject to Medicare tax and the Net Investment Income Tax.
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